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  • #31
    Originally posted by Rigs11 View Post
    good link for you righties.

    Righteous indignation over US spying seen as naive in Israel


    With every passing day bringing new allegations of the U.S. spying on its allies, many Israelis figure they would be naive to believe America wasn't snooping on its closest ally in the Middle East.

    But instead of the indignation seen in France, Spain and Germany at the prospect that the National Security Agency listened in to the phone calls of top leaders, Israelis seem to take in stride the prospect of Uncle Sam listening in.

    “I think it is almost a universal assumption that everyone tries to spy on everyone,” Mark Heller, of Tel Aviv’s Institute for National Security Studies told FoxNews.com. “Since the U.S. - by virtue of its resources, if nothing else - is the most capable, then it is probably best to assume that it does [now] or has done in the past to Israel what it has apparently done to its other friends and allies.

    “It’s almost a given” Heller continued. “The whole story reminds me of the scene from Casablanca when the Chief of Police is shocked to find out that there is gambling going on in the casino!”

    Former spymaster Danny Yatom told reporters the suspicions are warranted.


    “The Americans rightly see themselves as a superpower, but wrongly feel that they can do whatever they want, including the eavesdropping,” Yatom, former head of Israel’s spy agency Mossad, told Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv. “I can tell you with certain knowledge that [America] has been listening in on its allies, including Israel.

    “The U.S. doesn’t really care about anyone [but itself],” Yatom said. “When the Americans think they need to listen in on someone, they’ll do just that.”

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel reacted angrily at word her own cellphone was tapped by the U.S.

    "The United States of America and Europe face common challenges. We are allies," the German leader said. "But such an alliance can only be built on trust. That's why I repeat again: spying among friends, that cannot be."

    Yatom, who resigned after just two years in the job following the Mossad’s botched attempt to assassinate Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal in Jordan in 1998, said the U.S. wants to know what the Israeli administration really thinks about issues such as the ongoing Middle East peace process brokered by Secretary of State John Kerry and the potential danger posed to Israeli security by a nuclear Iran.

    “It is important for them [the U.S.] to know what Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu really thinks…about these issues,” he conceded.

    If one accepts that the U.S. is spying to some degree on Israel, is it safe to assume that the reverse is also true? Heller suggests that if trying to vacuum up as much information as possible from both open and confidential sources is spying then yes, it is probably the case that Israel is also spying to some degree on the U.S.

    “There is however a huge disparity in capability,” Heller said. “The NSA has a larger budget than the gross domestic product of Israel and of many middle-sized European countries.”

    In assessing the damage that likely U.S. spying on Israel or any other ally might cause, Heller said U.S. spying would only be detrimental to other states if such information fell into the wrong hands.

    “I would guess that a revelation of that sort would only be truly damaging to the relationship if it turns out that the information was used to the detriment of the other party, or leaked to a third party which is a hostile to either or both of them,” he said.

    “I think a lot of it [the shocked European reaction] is either hypocrisy or jealousy,” Heller concluded. “After all, that is why almost everybody takes whatever counter-measures they can if they want to keep things secret. In the case of the Europeans, well, they’ve done a fair bit of their own [spying] as well.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10...ive-in-israel/
    “The U.S. doesn’t really care about anyone [but itself],” Yatom said. “When the Americans think they need to listen in on someone, they’ll do just that.”

    And we could say the exact same thing about Israel.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Rigs11 View Post
      too funny, now suddenly the right is worried about what the rest of the world thinksOh and this is being reported on the evil liburl sites too.
      The point isn't so much that they do it. It's that their dirty laundry is now out on display for the whole world because they're so indiscriminate and inept about it.

      We'll all care a lot when the US loses its role as the world's information technology hub because our Government has put an asterisk next to every technology company based here.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by BBII View Post
        The point isn't so much that they do it. It's that their dirty laundry is now out on display for the whole world because they're so indiscriminate and inept about it.

        We'll all care a lot when the US loses its role as the world's information technology hub because our Government has put an asterisk next to every technology company based here.
        Wait what? i though you righties wanted transperancy?

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        • #34
          It's not that we care what the world thinks, it's that we want to point out what BS it was that was used as a selling point for Obama.

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          • #35
            Just one more reason to invest heavily in alternative energy sources. Do we really want to be forever tugged around by our short hairs by them.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by cutthemdown View Post
              It's not that we care what the world thinks, it's that we want to point out what BS it was that was used as a selling point for Obama.
              Which is what? that we wouldn't spy on anyone?

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              • #37
                http://www.voltairenet.org/article180720.html

                it seems the saudis have been busy, not just with the US

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Bronco Yoda View Post
                  Just one more reason to invest heavily in alternative energy sources. Do we really want to be forever tugged around by our short hairs by them.
                  Your meme needs a refresh.

                  http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...0I51IX20131015

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by BBII View Post
                    Your meme needs a refresh.
                    Which country is the biggest producer of crude?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by alkemical View Post
                      http://www.voltairenet.org/article180720.html

                      it seems the saudis have been busy, not just with the US
                      Maybe we're going to start drone striking the Sauds?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by W*GS View Post
                        Which country is the biggest producer of crude?
                        "(The U.S.) growth rate is greater than the sum of the growth of the next nine fastest growing countries combined and has covered most of the world's net demand growth over the past two years," PIRA Energy Group wrote.

                        "The U.S. position as the largest oil supplier in the world looks to be secure for many years," it added.
                        Wagsy's Malthusian Shoulder Angel just started weeping.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by BBII View Post
                          Yep, those poor energy development companies. Can't make a living in the U.S. because of all the terrible, terrible environmentalists!

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Fedaykin View Post
                            Yep, those poor energy development companies. Can't make a living in the U.S. because of all the terrible, terrible environmentalists!
                            But all those non-minimum-wage oil jockeys have unregulated carbon!

                            Don't they know we've got $7 an hour set up for them at a regular old McJob that would offend Gaia much less?

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                            • #44
                              Addition by subtraction.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by BBII View Post
                                Wagsy's Malthusian Shoulder Angel just started weeping.
                                Ya didn't even read the effing article...

                                Total liquids produced by the United States, which PIRA defined broadly to include supplies such as crude oil, condensate, natural gas liquids and biofuels, should average 12.1 million bpd in 2013, pushing it ahead of last year's No. 1 supplier, Saudi Arabia.

                                Output from the OPEC state also rose last year, but the gains lagged those from the United States, the consultancy said.

                                PIRA said the increase in oil from shale, which has been centered in areas such as Eagle Ford in Texas and the Bakken in North Dakota, has seen U.S. supply grow by 1 million bpd in 2012 and again 2013.

                                The United States still lagged both Saudi Arabia and Russia in production of just crude oil by abut 3 million bpd, PIRA noted. Rounding out the top 10 oil suppliers were China, Canada, UAE, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, and Mexico.

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