Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

More Obama green energy money wasted.

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Smiling Assassin27
    replied
    Finally, in yet another example of wasting money for green tech and unintended consequences:

    A solar power plant at the center of the Obama administration’s push to reduce America’s carbon footprint has its own carbon pollution problem.

    The administration’s initiative, which uses millions of taxpayer dollars to promote green energy, has been a boon for the Ivanpah plant in the Mojave Desert. But Ivanpah uses natural gas as a supplementary fuel, and data from the California Energy Commission show the plant burned enough of it in 2014 – its first year of operation – to emit more than 46,000 metric tons of carbon dioxide.
    That’s nearly twice the pollution threshold at which power plants and factories in California are required to participate in the state’s cap-and-trade program to reduce carbon emissions.

    The same amount of natural gas burned at a conventional power plant would have produced enough electricity to meet the annual needs of 17,000 California homes – roughly a quarter of the Ivanpah plant’s total electricity projection for 2014.
    The plant’s operators say they are burning small amounts of natural gas in order to produce steam to jump-start the solar generating process. They say burning natural gas always has been part of the process.

    Natural gas is used to preheat water that goes into boilers mounted on three 459-foot-tall towers at Ivanpah. This allows heat from the sun – captured by 352,000 mirrors – to make steam more quickly. The steam turns the turbines that produce electricity.
    The Ivanpah plant, off I-15 near the Nevada border, also has auxiliary gas boilers that kick in when clouds block the sun.

    The primary use of the natural gas “is to optimize the amount of electricity produced from the sun by preparing the facility each day to utilize the solar resource as soon as practically possible, and safely,” said David Knox, a spokesman for NRG Energy, which runs the facility.
    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/p...as-energy.html

    Leave a comment:


  • Smiling Assassin27
    replied
    Originally posted by retro View Post
    Who knows what will eventually replace oil. My money is on fusion in about 35 yrs. But even solar could do it someday but the technology not their yet. They money should be on research not deployment on solar.
    Nuclear, then fusion, I'd say.

    In related topic:

    In this short paper, we show a serious potential problem with these regulations. In a nutshell, technological advances that reduce the cost of clean energy will increase use of the dirty energy source whenever the regulation is fixed and binding. Since environmental damage depends on the level of dirty energy and not its proportion, these otherwise desirable clean technology innovations result in additional pollution.

    This is an unexpected outcome; improvements in clean technology should lead to pollution reduction. This result strengthens the case—as if any such strengthening were needed—for bare bones carbon taxes or cap and trade; that is, a uniform carbon price not accompanied by other inefficient regulations.

    To be fair, these guys advocate cap and trade, which I think would only create MORE and greater unintended consequences and the study was not a case for cap and trade but an indictment of enviro regs that force results.

    http://www.rff.org/files/document/file/RFF-DP-15-42.pdf

    Leave a comment:


  • retro
    replied
    Who knows what will eventually replace oil. My money is on fusion in about 35 yrs. But even solar could do it someday but the technology not their yet. They money should be on research not deployment on solar.

    Leave a comment:


  • elsid13
    replied
    Originally posted by retro View Post
    DEFLECT! What does any of that have to do with wasting money on solar power in a feeble attempt to cool the Earth.

    It's never going to work.
    The objective is not to cool the earth. The objective is to reduce and eliminate those causes that are effecting the ecosystem. The earth is really really good on fixing itself.

    Leave a comment:


  • W*GS
    replied
    Originally posted by retro View Post
    It's not true. We have advanced in the area of natural gas powered, and even coal powered plants to put out less co2.

    Also there are ways to sequester the output of the co2.

    Don't make it seem like there were not choices in the fossil fuel area. Also Shell oil just abandoned a huge project in the arctic. Not enough oil to drill. They spent billions. This is why they govt subsidies them, because we need them to look for oil. Oil works, its what drives our country whether you want to believe it or not. Every solar plant in the country could close tomorrow and we would miss much energy from it. What 3-4%?
    What's the plan for when oil no longer works?

    Nuke-powered cars?

    Leave a comment:


  • W*GS
    replied
    Originally posted by retro View Post
    wow for someone who b****es like a little teenager when people won't address the issue you sure are good at doing it.

    Defend solar power!
    Facts make no difference to you, so I won't waste my time.

    Leave a comment:


  • retro
    replied
    Originally posted by W*GS View Post
    "Drill, baby, drill" and "burn, baby, burn" work all too well to **** up the planet.

    Not that you give a ****.
    wow for someone who bitches like a little teenager when people won't address the issue you sure are good at doing it.

    Defend solar power!

    Leave a comment:


  • retro
    replied
    Originally posted by W*GS View Post
    "Drill, baby, drill" and "burn, baby, burn" work all too well to **** up the planet.

    Not that you give a ****.
    It's not true. We have advanced in the area of natural gas powered, and even coal powered plants to put out less co2.

    Also there are ways to sequester the output of the co2.

    Don't make it seem like there were not choices in the fossil fuel area. Also Shell oil just abandoned a huge project in the arctic. Not enough oil to drill. They spent billions. This is why they govt subsidies them, because we need them to look for oil. Oil works, its what drives our country whether you want to believe it or not. Every solar plant in the country could close tomorrow and we would miss much energy from it. What 3-4%?

    Leave a comment:


  • W*GS
    replied
    Originally posted by retro View Post
    DEFLECT! What does any of that have to do with wasting money on solar power in a feeble attempt to cool the Earth.

    It's never going to work.
    "Drill, baby, drill" and "burn, baby, burn" work all too well to **** up the planet.

    Not that you give a ****.

    Leave a comment:


  • retro
    replied
    DEFLECT! What does any of that have to do with wasting money on solar power in a feeble attempt to cool the Earth.

    It's never going to work.

    Leave a comment:


  • footstepsfrom#27
    replied
    How much did the Wall Street robber barrons get for losing the public's money on their casino gambling binge? No doubt FOX is pissed about that too right?

    Leave a comment:


  • Bronco
    replied
    2 billion dollar bump

    http://americanconservativesofcolor....wer-plant-has/
    Last edited by Bronco; 10-31-2015, 06:15 PM. Reason: Billion not million.

    Leave a comment:


  • cutthemdown
    replied
    http://rt.com/usa/206551-solar-plant...on-california/

    Kaitlin Meese, an analyst at research firm Bentek Energy, said its early production figures "do not paint a strong picture for solar-thermal technology development." Meanwhile, Dr Neil Fromer, an executive director of the Resnick Sustainability Institute at the California Institute of Technology said, “The operation of such plants is highly dependent on weather conditions, and predicting when and how strongly the sun will shine is not a perfect science. A little bit of inefficiency with mirrors can translate into a loss of power output ranging from small to significant,” AP reported.


    Looks like thermal solar is dead. Why even waste anymore money on it? Maybe other types of solar can still advance but these type of plants are a joke.

    Leave a comment:


  • barryr
    replied
    Originally posted by W*GS View Post
    Only for people who can't follow anything but a laser pointer shining on the wall.

    Like you.
    Like on Venus.

    Leave a comment:


  • cutthemdown
    replied
    Originally posted by Rohirrim View Post
    My dogs love that.
    Weird my dogs are smart enough to know it's not real. The cat also. I guess your pets must be democrats.

    Leave a comment:

Working...
X