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  • That wasn't fake news. That was crackpot horse ****tery.

    But hey! That's Beavis.

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    • Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post

      Lolz. You did exactly what I said you'd do and are arguing against the server/Crowdstrike conspiracy.

      That's not where the meddling happened. As Ukrainian courts have said, and Nellie Ohr testified, a Ukrainian legislator working with Hillary's contractor (Fusion) leaked Ukrainian Manafort documents that ended up driving a campaign scandal.

      That part of it's really a slam dunk. People who want to hold such low bars for what 'collusion' is should consider this very concerning. But of course there is no concern. Because what we're seeing is theatrical, not principled.
      L0L!

      You must be talking about Borislav Rosenblatt, a Ukrainian legislator behind the now-overturned lawsuit claiming election interference.

      Rosenblatt had been investigated by Sytnyk’s anti-corruption bureau, suggesting he is not a credible source.

      The release of the “black ledger” — via a Ukrainian state agency and legislator — did result in Manafort’s removal from the campaign and prompted questions about Trump and Russia. (Trump might have avoided some of these questions if he had done some due diligence and not hired Manafort in the first place, given Manafort’s deep ties to Russian figures.) But the legal ruling in Ukraine that this was election inference has been overturned. And again, people appear to have acted out of individual motivations, not at the behest of the head of state.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-set-up-trump/

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      • Originally posted by Paladin View Post
        That wasn't fake news. That was crackpot horse ****tery.

        But hey! That's Beavis.
        https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/facts-gop-claims-ukraine-2016-surface-week/story?id=66942724

        Ukrainian’s ties to 'dossier' firm

        Republicans are also interested in Leshchenko because he was once a source of information for Fusion GPS, the research firm behind the controversial “dossier” that alleged members of Trump’s campaign were coordinating with the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 election.

        A former researcher at the firm, Nellie Ohr, told lawmakers last year that Fusion GPS would pursue leads provided directly by Leshchenko.

        Ohr’s husband, Bruce, is the senior Justice Department official who acted as a conduit between the FBI and the author of the “dossier,” former British spy Christopher Steele. Republicans now want Democrats to call Ohr to testify in the impeachment probe.
        Are you calling Nellie Ohr a perjurer?

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        • Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post

          [URL="https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/facts-gop-claims-ukraine-2016-surface-week/story?id=66942724"]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/facts-gop-claims-ukraine-2016-surface-week/story?id=66942724



          Are you calling Nellie Ohr a perjurer?
          Are you trying to conflate opposition research with a sitting president holding up aid to Ukraine in exchange for help digging up dirt?

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          • Originally posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN View Post

            Are you trying to conflate opposition research with a sitting president holding up aid to Ukraine in exchange for help digging up dirt?
            Nah. That's more of a Muh Collusion parallel.

            Biden and Sons is the holding up aid parallel.

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            • Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post

              Nah. That's more of a Muh Collusion parallel.

              Biden and Sons is the holding up aid parallel.
              Except that said "parallel" has already been completely discredited.

              Sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

              It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.

              [snip] Without pressure from Joe Biden, European diplomats, the International Monetary Fund and other international organizations, Shokin would not have been fired, said Daria Kaleniuk, co-founder and executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Centre in Kiev.

              https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...or/3785620002/
              Your repeating it hundreds of times isn't going to make it true.

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              • Originally posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN View Post

                Except that said "parallel" has already been completely discredited.



                Your repeating it hundreds of times isn't going to make it true.
                Lolz. Well if Obama Administration Officials and one Ukrainian dude say so.

                What if "Trump Administration Officials" and some other Ukrainian say Trump did nothing wrong? Off the hook?

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                • Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post

                  Lolz. Well if Obama Administration Officials and one Ukrainian dude say so.

                  What if "Trump Administration Officials" and some other Ukrainian say Trump did nothing wrong? Off the hook?
                  Except that's not reality.

                  Reality = a conga line of tRump associates and credible witnesses saying, under oath "tRump did something wrong."

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                  • Originally posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN View Post

                    Except that's not reality.

                    Reality = a conga line of tRump associates and credible witnesses saying, under oath "tRump did something wrong."
                    Trump already admitted to something that was wrong. That's not the point.

                    Other administrations are just smart enough to hide it. Doesn't make them innocent.

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                    • Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post

                      Trump already admitted to something that was wrong. That's not the point.

                      Other administrations are just smart enough to hide it. Doesn't make them innocent.
                      Ah, so now we're back to that same old dichotomy:

                      1) Either Obama, Hillary, et al, are just too clever for Republicans.

                      or:

                      2) Republicans really suck at investigations.

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                      • Here's what we do know. Trump will get impeached by the House, which he should. Senate will not follow through, setting the precedent that it's perfectly fine for future Presidents to ask foreign government to dig up dirt. Ok, just so all the R's in here know the new rules apply to all moving forward. No bitching and whining several years down the road when somebody else does this, or something similar. No bitching and whining when a future POTUS plays golf 100 times a year, has family members who get business deals/contracts from foreign governments, doesn't absolve himself from his personal businesses or keeps anybody and everybody he/she wants to from recognizing and obeying any and all subpoenas.

                        Trump and the current GOP have made it perfectly clear, moving forward, anything goes in the White House and Senate. ANYTHING!

                        So in the future, we shouldn't be seeing any complaints from the R's on this board about what the White House or Congress does, not a single F'n one.

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                        • Originally posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN View Post

                          Ah, so now we're back to that same old dichotomy:

                          1) Either Obama, Hillary, et al, are just too clever for Republicans.

                          or:

                          2) Republicans really suck at investigations.
                          Nobody's investigated the Bidens. Or Ukraine meddling.

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                          • Originally posted by BroncoBeavis View Post

                            Nobody's investigated the Bidens. Or Ukraine meddling.
                            Because there’s no evidence whatsoever that there’s anything to investigate.

                            Only right-wing conspiracy theories which have been discredited.

                            So, what you’re saying is that you want a fishing expedition.

                            Republican SOP since the Bill Clinton era.

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                            • Not to mention the fact that the Ukraine conspiracy theories are coming directly from the Russian intelligence services to DJ Trumps head. Now Horowitz's report is coming out that there was no "surveillance" of the Trump campaign by the Obama admin, there was no real significant effort to undermine it. But that won't change the narrative because V Putin feeds Trump this BS directly, Trump believes him due to his fragile ego, and the Republicans fall in line to undermine our own intelligence services and our country.

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                              • Where’s the investigation of trump jr?

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