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Old 09-13-2011, 11:12 AM   #26
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Ayers isn't terrible, Moss was an abomination.

And he is not the best player out of that draft, if Moreno has any sort of blocking he will be ok.
Saw him dancing behind the line again. He seems to be really good on 3rd down and he is in a wideout position (or catches one from the backfield). For a #14 pick, I want to see much more. OL doesn't help the situation in many cases.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:14 AM   #27
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I don't see how somebody can come in here and start a topic on how Ayers sucks instead of how bad Hill sucks. He couldn't tackle a blown up doll. Watching Champ make some of those tackles he did from a CB spot and then you watch Hill hit a guy, fail to wrap up, slip off and fall to the ground as the WR/TE/RB continues upfield with Hill laying on the ground behind them. That's why 1 guy goes to the probowl every year and the other is considered stop gap.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:32 AM   #28
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I don't see how somebody can come in here and start a topic on how Ayers sucks instead of how bad Hill sucks. He couldn't tackle a blown up doll. Watching Champ make some of those tackles he did from a CB spot and then you watch Hill hit a guy, fail to wrap up, slip off and fall to the ground as the WR/TE/RB continues upfield with Hill laying on the ground behind them. That's why 1 guy goes to the probowl every year and the other is considered stop gap.
Who is Hill? Renaldo Hill was cut.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:40 AM   #29
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Saw him dancing behind the line again. He seems to be really good on 3rd down and he is in a wideout position (or catches one from the backfield). For a #14 pick, I want to see much more. OL doesn't help the situation in many cases.
it was #12, so we are good.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:52 AM   #30
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it was #12, so we are good.
If he was #214 pick, then we are good. You just made me feel worse.
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Old 09-13-2011, 01:45 PM   #31
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Jarvis Moss never started and never really did anything for us at all. Ayers is actually a solid starter and the least of our worries on the d-line.

I think the problem, however, is that he was picked a little above his level. D-ends and OLBs picked in the first round have to be able to get to the passer. the guy got something like 3 sacks in his best college year!! Guys who get sacks in college don't always get them in the pros, but guys who don't get sacks in college definitely don't get them in the pros.

But overall I think the guy is fundamentally sound. He gets pressure, I think he's just a step slow to actually get to the QB. He's a solid, run-stuffing d-end, he'll just never, ever have a 10-sack-plus season

However, if we had drafted the guy in the 2nd or 3rd we'd probably be Ok with his contribution. 4th or below and he'd be a steal. Do NOT compare him with Moss, who history tells us was a bona fide bust.....
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Old 09-13-2011, 02:07 PM   #32
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Who is Hill? Renaldo Hill was cut.
He means Goodman, the other Miami DB pick up that can't play football.
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Old 09-13-2011, 02:09 PM   #33
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He means Goodman, the other Miami DB pick up that can't play football.
I'm officially on the 'Goodman sux' bandwagon. That was horrible.

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Ayers play inside some last night?
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Old 09-13-2011, 02:13 PM   #34
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I'm officially on the 'Goodman sux' bandwagon. That was horrible.

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Ayers play inside some last night?
You are correct sir. You'll see it semi commonly on both pass rushing downs and when Miller is playing up on the line.
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Old 09-13-2011, 02:17 PM   #35
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He means Goodman, the other Miami DB pick up that can't play football.
It's an understandable mixup
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Old 09-13-2011, 02:24 PM   #36
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Goodman can't tackle, dude got dragged around the field.
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Old 09-13-2011, 04:24 PM   #37
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Looked pretty good when he had room to work on receptions last night.

He's got some moves, he just needs the chance to do something with it.
No one doubts that Moreno is one of the better receiving RB's. That's not his problem. His problem is that he's neither fast nor big enough to be an effective between the tackles HB. It doesn't help him that he plays on one of the worse run blocking lines in the NFL.

He's a very poor man's Reggie Bush. That can't return punts or kickoffs.
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Robert Ayers, Jarvis Moss, Tim Crowder......the beat goes on!
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Old 09-13-2011, 04:25 PM   #39
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Ayers has a nastiness to him at times that borderlines on stupidity. He's a decent DL, but no where near what the Broncos thought he could be at pick #18 in the draft. Basically, the 2009 draft is probably the Broncos worst draft ever. Hoodie Jr, had a good draft in 2010 though.
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Goodman can't tackle, dude got dragged around the field.
I'm not sure he's strong enough to hang on and be dragged tbh.
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Ayers has a nastiness to him at times that borderlines on stupidity. He's a decent DL, but no where near what the Broncos thought he could be at pick #18 in the draft. Basically, the 2009 draft is probably the Broncos worst draft ever. Hoodie Jr, had a good draft in 2010 though.
I see your 2009 and raise you a 2003 http://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/...cos/draft/2003
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Old 09-13-2011, 04:35 PM   #42
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Basically, the 2009 draft is probably the Broncos worst draft ever.
Yep.

Two average guys in the first round who probably wouldn't be starting on most teams, and three second round reaches who are no longer with the team.

Pretty chitty return on 5 picks in the first 64.
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Old 09-13-2011, 04:46 PM   #43
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I see your 2009 and raise you a 2003 http://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/...cos/draft/2003
I guess it just comes down to expectations. They didn't get much from the 2003 draft obviously, although Foster was a decent tackle for a couple seasons.

But Broncos fans had high hopes that they could really rebuild the defense with 4 first rounders over a two year period of time. Not only did Hoodie Jr, target players that seem to be mediocre at best but he impacted their 2010 draft in losing the #14th pick to Seattle in the process.
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Old 09-13-2011, 04:56 PM   #44
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The 09 and 10 1st round draft picks are the reason were a bottom feeding team right now. Heres our picks, and the picks picked immidiately after us.

09 1a. Knowshon Moreno - Brian Orakpo - Malcolm Jenkins - Brian Cushing
09 1b. Robert Ayers - Jeremy Maclin - Brandon Pettigrew - Alex Mack - Percy Harvin - Michael Oher

10 1a. Demaryius Thomas -Bryan Bulaga - Dez Bryant
10 1b. Tim Tebow - Dan Williams - Devin McCourty

Not to mention Earl Thomas who coulda been ours at 14.

Theres always gonna be some busts in drafts.... but McDanials killed a great shot at building a very strong core of a football team.

Give this team Brian Orakpo-Michael Oher-Dez Bryant-Dan Williams-Earl Thomas and you have a young core....
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and give us Peyton Hillis while you're at it too.
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I have to admit I like Ayers better at DE better than at LB.

He was not explosive as a LB in the 3-4 and he had 1 move beside power rush.

Oddly I have noticed that this year in this D teams are doubleteaming him and yet he is still getting penetration. He can set the edge well and keep teams from going wide on us so there is that...

His plus is that he is an above avg run stuffer but below avg pass rusher. If we picked him lower I wouldn't be as hard on him. If you pick a guy in the 1st round he should be quality, at least Ayers is starting and contributing, Moss couldn't do that.
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The 09 and 10 1st round draft picks are the reason were a bottom feeding team right now. Heres our picks, and the picks picked immidiately after us.

09 1a. Knowshon Moreno - Brian Orakpo - Malcolm Jenkins - Brian Cushing
09 1b. Robert Ayers - Jeremy Maclin - Brandon Pettigrew - Alex Mack - Percy Harvin - Michael Oher

10 1a. Demaryius Thomas -Bryan Bulaga - Dez Bryant
10 1b. Tim Tebow - Dan Williams - Devin McCourty

Not to mention Earl Thomas who coulda been ours at 14.

Theres always gonna be some busts in drafts.... but McDanials killed a great shot at building a very strong core of a football team.

Give this team Brian Orakpo-Michael Oher-Dez Bryant-Dan Williams-Earl Thomas and you have a young core....
I would have much rather had Dan Williams than reaching for Timbo, at least Dan would have been in a rotation, Tim is just warming a bench.

**** mCd!
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Every year I keep hearing moreno will be OK...


...Still waiting
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Robert Ayers, Jarvis Moss, Tim Crowder......the beat goes on!
I'll raise you a Ryan Sims, Glen Dorsey, Ty Jackson, Junior Savii. I'm sure there are plenty more I'm missing.
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Ayers has a nastiness to him at times that borderlines on stupidity. He's a decent DL, but no where near what the Broncos thought he could be at pick #18 in the draft. Basically, the 2009 draft is probably the Broncos worst draft ever. Hoodie Jr, had a good draft in 2010 though.
* WR Demaryius Thomas (1st Round, 22nd overall) - injured often and still a work in progress
* QB Tim Tebow (1st Round, 25th overall) - backup who a lot think will never be a NFL QB, some think he could blossom
* OL Zane Beadles – (2nd Round, 45th overall) - probably wouldn't be starting on a lot of teams
* C J.D. Walton – (3rd Round, 80th overall) - most definitely wouldn't be starting on a lot of teams, I just don't see much in him
* WR Eric Decker – (3rd Round, 87th overall) (from Philadelphia) - shows promise, but so did Darius Watts
* CB Perrish Cox – (5th Round, 137th overall) (from Philadelphia via Cleveland) - cut
* C Eric Olsen – (6th Round, 183rd overall) - cut
* CB Syd’quan Thompson - (7th, 225th overall) - IR
* DE/OLB Jammie Kirlew – (7th, 232rd overall) - cut

We got an often injured work in progress WR, a backup QB who's a project, two below average OL starters, a promising WR and IMO at best secondary depth in Squid.
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