Winning season vs drafting Luck - The Orange Mane

ZONA · 08-31-2011, 09:55 PM

Was just looking over some 1st round draft history and it's amazing how so many players don't really pan out to be what you would call great players. Heck, many 1st rounders aren't even starters after a few years. I guess this is more for those who think sucking to get higher picks is the best way to go about business. There's no guarantee the players you're hoping for will be any good. Have a look at this 2005 1st round draft. The top of the board has failure written all over it. I think honestly there are 5 or 6 guys from that entire 1st round draft, who I think would be better then what we have now.

Yup, Von Miller looks like the real deal. But for every one of those, you have like 15 failure picks in the top 10 also. I'm not saying Luck will suck, but Alex Smith looked impressive in college also. And if we have a decent season and we don't get the #1 pick, doesn't mean we can't find another QB in the draft. Green Bay got Aaron Rogers at #24 so let's all hope for a great season and let some other **** team who sucks have Luck. We'll find a great QB here soon.

2005 1st Round

Alex Smith
Ronnie Brown
Braylon Edwards
Cedric Benson
Carnell "Cadillac" Williams
Adam "Pac-Man" Jones
Troy Williamson
Antrel Rolle
Carlos Rogers
Mike Williams
DeMarcus Ware
Shawne Merriman
Jammal Brown
Thomas Davis
Derrick Johnson
Travis Johnson
David Pollack
Erasmus James
Marcus Spears
Matt Jones
Mark Clayton
Fabian Washington
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
Chris Spencer
Roddy White
Luis Castillo
Marlin Jackson
Heath Miller
Mike Patterson
Logan Mankins

TDmvp · 08-31-2011, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ZONA

Yup, Von Miller looks like the real deal. But for every one of those, you have like 15 failure picks in the top 10 also. I'm not saying Luck will suck, but Alex Smith looked impressive in college also. And if we have a decent season and we don't get the #1 pick, doesn't mean we can't find another QB in the draft. Green Bay got Aaron Rogers at #24 so let's all hope for a great season and let some other **** team who sucks have Luck. We'll find a great QB here soon.

Well said.
For some reason I'm just totally not sold on Luck.
But I live in Cincinnati where I've seen so many #1 picks bust that I'm always gun shy of upper 1st rounders.

But just say no to Luck !!!

randomtask · 08-31-2011, 10:11 PM

While I agree that "suck for Luck" is an absolutely horrible idea, the 2005 draft was one of the worst drafts in at least 10 years, and shouldn't be used as an average example..

baja · 08-31-2011, 10:21 PM

Hey I got an idea how about enjoying the games one at a time instead of projecting to next year's draft before this season opens.

NFLBRONCO · 08-31-2011, 10:24 PM

While its no guarantee on any player I think taking a flier on a pro style rookie qb can pay off and pay off big. Avg QB's get you nowhere.

WABronco · 08-31-2011, 10:24 PM

Solid thread. Good thoughts.

TDmvp · 08-31-2011, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by baja

Calm down mister.
Dude(Zona) was just having a thought.

DBroncos4life · 08-31-2011, 10:28 PM

Coach losing and try and get that out of the players anytime soon. If the chips fall that way and we can draft Luck, great. If we lose on purpose to draft him I'll just cheer for my Huskers.

NFLBRONCO · 08-31-2011, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Coach losing and try and get that out of the players anytime soon. If the chips fall that way and we can draft Luck, great. If we lose on purpose to draft him I'll just cheer for my Huskers.

As a fan I want to get better I think a legit QB is the fastest way. If we do win 6 plus games great. If it works out we win only 5 or less games I'd want #1 pick honestly.

SUCK FOR LUCK

OrangeSe7en · 08-31-2011, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZONA

Was just looking over some 1st round draft history and it's amazing how so many players don't really pan out to be what you would call great players. Heck, many 1st rounders aren't even starters after a few years. I guess this is more for those who think sucking to get higher picks is the best way to go about business. There's no guarantee the players you're hoping for will be any good. Have a look at this 2005 1st round draft. The top of the board has failure written all over it. I think honestly there are 5 or 6 guys from that entire 1st round draft, who I think would be better then what we have now.

Yup, Von Miller looks like the real deal. But for every one of those, you have like 15 failure picks in the top 10 also. I'm not saying Luck will suck, but Alex Smith looked impressive in college also. And if we have a decent season and we don't get the #1 pick, doesn't mean we can't find another QB in the draft. Green Bay got Aaron Rogers at #24 so let's all hope for a great season and let some other **** team who sucks have Luck. We'll find a great QB here soon.

2005 1st Round

Alex Smith
Ronnie Brown
Braylon Edwards
Cedric Benson
Carnell "Cadillac" Williams
Adam "Pac-Man" Jones
Troy Williamson
Antrel Rolle
Carlos Rogers
Mike Williams
DeMarcus Ware
Shawne Merriman
Jammal Brown
Thomas Davis
Derrick Johnson
Travis Johnson
David Pollack
Erasmus James
Marcus Spears
Matt Jones
Mark Clayton
Fabian Washington
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
Chris Spencer
Roddy White
Luis Castillo
Marlin Jackson
Heath Miller
Mike Patterson
Logan Mankins

I'm more sold on Luck than I am on Orton.

DBroncos4life · 08-31-2011, 11:57 PM

Personally I think Justin Blackmon is the best O player in this draft next year. If we could land him and Thomas ever lives up to ability it wouldn't ever matter who the QB is.

broncocalijohn · 09-01-2011, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by baja

Hey I got an idea how about enjoying the games one at a time instead of projecting to next year's draft before this season opens.

Yep. If he is projected to go #1, why even bother watching our season if you think we are going to suck that bad to land him. I would rather love the upcoming season and enjoy as many wins as possible.

cutthemdown · 09-01-2011, 01:32 AM

no way Broncos will be bad enough to get first or 2nd pick again. We are better this yr and there are teams far worst then the Broncos IMO. I think the Broncos will win enough games to get out of the top 10 in the draft.

BroncoInferno · 09-01-2011, 05:07 AM

We aren't going to be bad enough to draft Luck, unless his stock plummets this season.

robbieopperude · 09-01-2011, 05:22 AM

We are not getting Luck or Barkley without trading up. That 2005 draft had screwup all over it as the potential number 1 pick dropped to 24th because of team needs. I personally had projected the Niners to take Rodgers at number 1. Tedford essentially screwed him over by having Boller bust as a player just before he came out. In that draft you still have a Hall of Fame QB (barring injury) in the 1st round. That is pretty huge.

strafen · 09-01-2011, 06:01 AM

Luck is gonna suck now?
Damn! I think I've heard every ridiculous statement I needed to hear in my lifetime from the mane.

Crushaholic · 09-01-2011, 06:55 AM

I think that the perception that we want Luck stems solely from the fact that he is a Stanford quarterback (like Elway). Let's just have a good season...

~Crash~ · 09-01-2011, 06:58 AM

Carolina fans are going to be so damn pissed at missing miller!

Beantown Bronco · 09-01-2011, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randomtask

While I agree that "suck for Luck" is an absolutely horrible idea, the 2005 draft was one of the worst drafts in at least 10 years, and shouldn't be used as an average example..

If you think 2005 was bad, go back and look at 2003. Absolute abomination.

spdirty · 09-01-2011, 07:35 AM

Just as in every year, I'll root hard for my team till we are out of the playoff picture. Once we are out of it, I root for the best draft position possible. Thats how I've rooted for 20 years now. I doubt it would happen, but if in this season if we are in a position where a few losses will get us Luck, I'll root hard for that scenario. But I am thinking we will be drafting in t teens next year. And Cincinnatti will most likely get him. But right now I think 10 wins is possible, and thats what I'm rooting for.

baja · 09-01-2011, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spdirty

Just as in every year, I'll root hard for my team till we are out of the playoff picture. Once we are out of it, I root for the best draft position possible. Thats how I've rooted for 20 years now. I doubt it would happen, but if in this season if we are in a position where a few losses will get us Luck, I'll root hard for that scenario. But I am thinking we will be drafting in t teens next year. And Cincinnatti will most likely get him. But right now I think 10 wins is possible, and thats what I'm rooting for.

Hogan11 · 09-01-2011, 07:59 AM

As stated before, Tebow is not the future and the Broncos won't be bad enough to get a shot at Luck.

Tread water for a few years and then go for the real QOTF....Aaron Murray

beanerbronco · 09-01-2011, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spdirty

Just as in every year, I'll root hard for my team till we are out of the playoff picture. Once we are out of it, I root for the best draft position possible. Thats how I've rooted for 20 years now. I doubt it would happen, but if in this season if we are in a position where a few losses will get us Luck, I'll root hard for that scenario. But I am thinking we will be drafting in t teens next year. And Cincinnatti will most likely get him. But right now I think 10 wins is possible, and thats what I'm rooting for.

I highly doubt Cincy picks him up; I say he stays in Cali and goes to the 9ers.

Requiem · 09-01-2011, 08:13 AM

We should be able to find a great player with our first round pick, regardless of when we pick.

broncosteven · 09-01-2011, 08:15 AM

Cincy, Buff, 49er's, and (if no Manning) the Colts will have have worse records than we will have.

Anyone who thinks an unproven rookie QB is going to tear up the league in 2012 is a fool. The Suck for Luck theory would take another 2-3 years after he is drafted to payoff.

I think next year there will be a huge run on QB's at the top of the draft. All the teams I mentioned need a QB, there are usually 3-4 QB's each year that the media say's have a shot to play in the league, they will be gone before Denver gets a shot at them.

I would stop hoping that Luck will be on our team next year and look for a more realistic option. Either it is Timbo's chance next year, we have to find a Vet on the scrap heap, or trade for an up and comer.

The chance to land Luck died the minute mCd and his Canton High buddies were escorted out of Dove Valley.

08-31-2011, 10:24 PM	#5
NFLBRONCO Ring of Famer Go Nuggets Go Lakers Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lafayette Colorado Posts: 7,428	While its no guarantee on any player I think taking a flier on a pro style rookie qb can pay off and pay off big. Avg QB's get you nowhere. Last edited by NFLBRONCO; 08-31-2011 at 10:28 PM..

09-01-2011, 07:35 AM	#20
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,923 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quentin Jammer	Just as in every year, I'll root hard for my team till we are out of the playoff picture. Once we are out of it, I root for the best draft position possible. Thats how I've rooted for 20 years now. I doubt it would happen, but if in this season if we are in a position where a few losses will get us Luck, I'll root hard for that scenario. But I am thinking we will be drafting in t teens next year. And Cincinnatti will most likely get him. But right now I think 10 wins is possible, and thats what I'm rooting for. Last edited by spdirty; 09-01-2011 at 07:37 AM..

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08-31-2011, 09:55 PM	#1
ZONA Ring of Famer If you smacked your screen, hahaha Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,495 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	Winning season vs drafting Luck Was just looking over some 1st round draft history and it's amazing how so many players don't really pan out to be what you would call great players. Heck, many 1st rounders aren't even starters after a few years. I guess this is more for those who think sucking to get higher picks is the best way to go about business. There's no guarantee the players you're hoping for will be any good. Have a look at this 2005 1st round draft. The top of the board has failure written all over it. I think honestly there are 5 or 6 guys from that entire 1st round draft, who I think would be better then what we have now. Yup, Von Miller looks like the real deal. But for every one of those, you have like 15 failure picks in the top 10 also. I'm not saying Luck will suck, but Alex Smith looked impressive in college also. And if we have a decent season and we don't get the #1 pick, doesn't mean we can't find another QB in the draft. Green Bay got Aaron Rogers at #24 so let's all hope for a great season and let some other **** team who sucks have Luck. We'll find a great QB here soon. 2005 1st Round Alex Smith Ronnie Brown Braylon Edwards Cedric Benson Carnell "Cadillac" Williams Adam "Pac-Man" Jones Troy Williamson Antrel Rolle Carlos Rogers Mike Williams DeMarcus Ware Shawne Merriman Jammal Brown Thomas Davis Derrick Johnson Travis Johnson David Pollack Erasmus James Marcus Spears Matt Jones Mark Clayton Fabian Washington Aaron Rodgers Jason Campbell Chris Spencer Roddy White Luis Castillo Marlin Jackson Heath Miller Mike Patterson Logan Mankins

08-31-2011, 10:11 PM	#3
randomtask Thomas is my hero. Like a complete unknown Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Golden, CO Posts: 708 Adopt-a-Bronco: Walton	While I agree that "suck for Luck" is an absolutely horrible idea, the 2005 draft was one of the worst drafts in at least 10 years, and shouldn't be used as an average example..

08-31-2011, 10:21 PM	#4
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: in a bunker Posts: 54,385 Adopt-a-Bronco: Julius Thomas	Hey I got an idea how about enjoying the games one at a time instead of projecting to next year's draft before this season opens.

08-31-2011, 10:24 PM	#6
WABronco WE SUCK AGAIN All dat force Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 4,976	Solid thread. Good thoughts.

08-31-2011, 10:28 PM	#8
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,973 Adopt-a-Bronco: Julius "Fluff"	Coach losing and try and get that out of the players anytime soon. If the chips fall that way and we can draft Luck, great. If we lose on purpose to draft him I'll just cheer for my Huskers.

08-31-2011, 11:57 PM	#11
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,973 Adopt-a-Bronco: Julius "Fluff"	Personally I think Justin Blackmon is the best O player in this draft next year. If we could land him and Thomas ever lives up to ability it wouldn't ever matter who the QB is.

09-01-2011, 01:32 AM	#13
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,881	no way Broncos will be bad enough to get first or 2nd pick again. We are better this yr and there are teams far worst then the Broncos IMO. I think the Broncos will win enough games to get out of the top 10 in the draft.

09-01-2011, 05:07 AM	#14
BroncoInferno Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 13,033	We aren't going to be bad enough to draft Luck, unless his stock plummets this season.

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robbieopperude Perennial Pro-bowler Shannon to Canton! Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 766 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	We are not getting Luck or Barkley without trading up. That 2005 draft had screwup all over it as the potential number 1 pick dropped to 24th because of team needs. I personally had projected the Niners to take Rodgers at number 1. Tedford essentially screwed him over by having Boller bust as a player just before he came out. In that draft you still have a Hall of Fame QB (barring injury) in the 1st round. That is pretty huge.

09-01-2011, 06:01 AM	#16
strafen Karma Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 6,929 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elway	Luck is gonna suck now? Damn! I think I've heard every ridiculous statement I needed to hear in my lifetime from the mane.

09-01-2011, 06:55 AM	#17
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,078	I think that the perception that we want Luck stems solely from the fact that he is a Stanford quarterback (like Elway). Let's just have a good season...

09-01-2011, 06:58 AM	#18
~Crash~ My new dog Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,600 Adopt-a-Bronco: Kuper	Carolina fans are going to be so damn pissed at missing miller!

09-01-2011, 07:59 AM	#22
Hogan11 Rock-N-Roll Historian Let's take these SOB's out!!!!!! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: W.NY.B.C. Posts: 21,300 Adopt-a-Bronco: Floyd Little	As stated before, Tebow is not the future and the Broncos won't be bad enough to get a shot at Luck. Tread water for a few years and then go for the real QOTF....Aaron Murray

09-01-2011, 08:13 AM	#24
Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,866 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	We should be able to find a great player with our first round pick, regardless of when we pick.

09-01-2011, 08:15 AM	#25
broncosteven The Kranz Dictum MWA: Flight Director Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 29,347 Adopt-a-Bronco: MONEYBALL #38	Cincy, Buff, 49er's, and (if no Manning) the Colts will have have worse records than we will have. Anyone who thinks an unproven rookie QB is going to tear up the league in 2012 is a fool. The Suck for Luck theory would take another 2-3 years after he is drafted to payoff. I think next year there will be a huge run on QB's at the top of the draft. All the teams I mentioned need a QB, there are usually 3-4 QB's each year that the media say's have a shot to play in the league, they will be gone before Denver gets a shot at them. I would stop hoping that Luck will be on our team next year and look for a more realistic option. Either it is Timbo's chance next year, we have to find a Vet on the scrap heap, or trade for an up and comer. The chance to land Luck died the minute mCd and his Canton High buddies were escorted out of Dove Valley.