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Old 08-28-2011, 09:55 AM   #1
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Default So how about Knowshon?

He's finally healthy, back to his playing weight from college and playing behind what looks like a competent OL. I'm seeing a guy who can hit the edge, isn't slipping, makes guys miss, is great catching the ball and- most importantly- is squeezing out extra yards when they're not there. Does Knowshon look like the guy that was a consensus mid-1st round pick in 2009 or does he still look like an underachiever?

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Old 08-28-2011, 09:59 AM   #2
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He looks like a waste of a draft pick. Im glad he looks better but Im still not seeing #12.
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Better nice kid etc worth the 12th pick hell no. He still sucks at 3rd and short. He should switch to TE he does catch the ball very well.
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He's finally healthy, back to his playing weight from college and playing behind what looks like a competent OL. I'm seeing a guy who can hit the edge, isn't slipping, makes guys miss, is great catching the ball and- most importantly- is squeezing out extra yards when they're not there. Does Knowshon look like the guy that was a consensus mid-1st round pick in 2009 or does he still look like an undetachiever?
He's the same solid producer he's always been.
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Old 08-28-2011, 10:17 AM   #5
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He's going to put up some big numbers in the passing game this year, I know that.

I think he'll put up ~900-1000 yards rushing and probably ~700-800 receiving yards this year. 10 TDs or so.
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Better nice kid etc worth the 12th pick hell no. He still sucks at 3rd and short
That's fair, although I dont know if he was ever thought of as a short yardage back. I'm not sure if his skillset ever added up to being a mid 1st rounder and we all would've preferred Orakpo or Matthews but in fairness he wasnt a reach by definition-mid 1st was his projection in a weak draft. Regardless of that, I'm just glad he finally looks like the guy I saw for UGA.
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I think he looks a lot better so far. The lower weight doesn't seem to take anything away from his game... Actually looks like he has better balance. And most importantly, he looks fresh and able to sustain a drive. I would like to see him want to stay on the field more.
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Old 08-28-2011, 10:21 AM   #8
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The trimmed-down knowshon looks a LOT more like the guy we thought we were getting from UGA, that's for sure. More burst, and he almost seems slippery.

I thought when he came into the organization, he sort of plodded, running heavy-footed like Robert Smith of the Vikings. The thing I noticed last night was that he didn't seem like each step was a stomp, and it's helping his quickness to and through the hole significantly.

Worth the #12 pick? Hmm, probably not. But I've never thought of him as a "bust" either. It'll be interesting to see if he can keep that burst and slipperyness, as well as stay healthy, without the extra weight.
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Old 08-28-2011, 10:24 AM   #9
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Definitely looking much improved. And he was better than most gave him credit for anyway. There really are no words for how bad McD's run scheme is.
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I heard the team wants him to add some more weight. They think he lost too many LBs. He's better than he was last year and I know Knowshown didn't draft himself at #12 but defense was the way to go. Then again I think Leon Washington looked good last night as well and provides the same skill set plus ST
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I heard the team wants him to add some more weight. They think he lost too many LBs. He's better than he was last year and I know Knowshown didn't draft himself at #12 but defense was the way to go. Then again I think Leon Washington looked good last night as well and provides the same skill set plus ST
You heard from who? That would be so ****ing stupid if true. The guy is clearly better at his current weight and we have McGahee to pound it when needed.
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Old 08-28-2011, 10:32 AM   #12
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That's fair, although I dont know if he was ever thought of as a short yardage back. I'm not sure if his skillset ever added up to being a mid 1st rounder and we all would've preferred Orakpo or Matthews but in fairness he wasnt a reach by definition-mid 1st was his projection in a weak draft. Regardless of that, I'm just glad he finally looks like the guy I saw for UGA.
I am not sure he will ever truly be a workhorse running back, but he looks very much like a poor mans Chris Johnson or Warrick Dunn, someone who can keep up a very good per run average on 1st and 2nd down and who can make things happen with the football, but not the grinder who gets the last yard in a 3rd and 1 situation.
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I am not sure he will ever truly be a workhorse running back, but he looks very much like a poor mans Chris Johnson or Warrick Dunn, someone who can keep up a very good per run average on 1st and 2nd down and who can make things happen with the football, but not the grinder who gets the last yard in a 3rd and 1 situation.
Moreno is actually much better in 3rd and short and redzone situations than people give him credit for. It's not his specialty, but I think peoples' perceptions are a bit warped based off the abysmal interior blocking he had his two years under McD.
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I love how people continuously say he wasn't worth the #12 pick. Looking back on the Broncos drafts for the past 10 years, I have a real hard time naming more than MAYBE two guys that we've drafted in the first that have performed as well or better than him.
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Old 08-28-2011, 10:48 AM   #15
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He's been one of our best players each of the past two seasons and has worked in a broken scheme for RBs behind a patchwork OL for his rookie year and then a very young OL with what little vet experience on the rebound from injuries. I'd say he's been producing as well as could be expected given the situation.

He looks very good now though. His stamina is clearly up, he's even more elusive, and so far he seems to be showing superior durability (knock on wood).

He's clearly our best back right now and is also our second best skill position player on offense behind Lloyd. I look forward to seeing him work with an offense that isn't so vanilla come the regular season. If McCoy can keep the passing game at the same rate of production McDaniels had it at while also adding in Moreno and McGahee behind a more competent OL we could see a significant offensive improvement.

Big question for Moreno is if everyone will go right back to labeling an every game starter with >1K all purpose yards his first two years despite injury issues a bust the second we have a bad running day in the regular season. I'm assuming they will.
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Old 08-28-2011, 10:52 AM   #16
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He's no Hillis but he's starting to look like a solid 4th round pick .......
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Old 08-28-2011, 10:59 AM   #17
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Knowshon isn't improved... he's actually got running lanes.

This "dancing" he supposedly does was 100% the result of awful run-blocking most of last season. (Note that later in the season when we made the O-line changes, he magically played much better.)

He's a very valuable part of the offense. Was he worth a #12 pick? Who cares. That's for people with no life to sit and ponder for all eternity. Half of 1st round picks don't live up to expectations.

Bottom line is, he's a talented back and will be very effective for us when the line is doing their job to any reasonable degree.

The real question with him is his ability to stay on the field and not get dinged. The addition of WM should help in that regard.
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Old 08-28-2011, 11:01 AM   #18
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I still have yet to see him break a big run.
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I've been pretty hard on him over the past years and it was well deserved. I will admit the last 3 or 4 games last year and then this preseason he seems to have a chip on his shoulder and playing with a I can do this **** attitude.

I think he has turned the corner and we are going to see a very big year from him. So far what I have seen from most everybody this year could end up shocking a lot of people and I also think we have a good shot at taking the west.
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I like Moreno, but he does leave some yards on the field at times. He's not a mature runner yet. He puts his head down and gets focused sometimes on where the hole is supposed to be and ignores some lanes. He's a good back, but he needs a little polish.
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I still think he goes down really easy. Look for Magahee to get all the short yardage goaline work.
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I love how people continuously say he wasn't worth the #12 pick. Looking back on the Broncos drafts for the past 10 years, I have a real hard time naming more than MAYBE two guys that we've drafted in the first that have performed as well or better than him.
1. I commend you for mustering up the courage to do that.
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He'll be the heavy-lifter of what'll be a pretty good rushing attack and one of our best receiving targets. You really can't be upset with that at all.
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Better nice kid etc worth the 12th pick hell no. He still sucks at 3rd and short. He should switch to TE he does catch the ball very well.
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