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Old 08-22-2011, 02:28 PM   #1
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Starts the game with a pick 6. Follows it up with a pile of failed drives, including two failures on 4th and 1 (one of which was on the goal line), five 3-and-outs, and a sack-fumble.

The mantra on Kyle is that he won't win you any games, but he wont lose you any games either. That Raiders debacle last year (arguably the most embarrassing regular season game in Broncos history) was a Kyle Orton loss.
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Old 08-22-2011, 02:31 PM   #2
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I sincerely hope NO Bronco team ever has a game like that one.

I thought the charger drubbing at home a few years ago was about the worst thing I'd ever seen in Denver (other than Jax punking us in the playoffs that was worse), but that raider game was an all time low.

That's when I went from staunch pro-McDaniels to anti-McDaniels, and started to really doubt KO.
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Old 08-22-2011, 02:33 PM   #4
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He had a bad game for sure. If Orton plays that bad he makes it easy on Fox. People need to understand that Fox knows the Broncos have a ways to go. IMO he knows he can play all the Qbs this yr and say he was evaluating. No offseason, team in shambles, its a throwaway yr where the main goals will be squaring away the defense and seeing what we have at QB. Starting off with Orton is a smart move IMO because the WR all want him to start. Tebow to crazy, you can't have a regular offense with him right now. We have Brandon Lloyd and he has a better connection with Orton the Tebow does. If orton plays poorly and we aren't winning because of it, then I would say that Fox would then be able to take a look. But it could be Quinn that gets first crack.

I don't care what Tebows stats were in that Dallas game. He did some plays that tell me he isn't ready.
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It's funny because it seems Kyle is always trying to put the blame and responsibility on everyone else but himself. and somehow he does it... everyone buys into it and no one comments about how Kyle needs to man up and be a better QB.

Tebow is the complete opposite.. and tries to carry the team and legitimately takes responsibility for all the bad even though he is trying to carry the team and CAN carry the team.. but because he isn't perfect he "isn't ready".

And fox and Elway chose Kyle as the teams leader.. and supposedly the players did too..

WTF is wrong with these people?
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God woulnd't let Tebow be that bad even if he can't make reads or even consistently take snaps under center.
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Old 08-22-2011, 02:37 PM   #7
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God woulnd't let Tebow be that bad even if he can't make reads or even consistently take snaps under center.
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It's funny because it seems Kyle is always trying to put the blame and responsibility on everyone else but himself. and somehow he does it... everyone buys into it and no one comments about how Kyle needs to man up and be a better QB.

Tebow is the complete opposite.. and tries to carry the team and legitimately takes responsibility for all the bad even though he is trying to carry the team and CAN carry the team.. but because he isn't perfect he "isn't ready".

And fox and Elway chose Kyle as the teams leader.. and supposedly the players did too..

WTF is wrong with these people?
They are smarter than you.
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It's funny because it seems Kyle is always trying to put the blame and responsibility on everyone else but himself. and somehow he does it... everyone buys into it and no one comments about how Kyle needs to man up and be a better QB.

Tebow is the complete opposite.. and tries to carry the team and legitimately takes responsibility for all the bad even though he is trying to carry the team and CAN carry the team.. but because he isn't perfect he "isn't ready".

And fox and Elway chose Kyle as the teams leader.. and supposedly the players did too..

WTF is wrong with these people?
I like Tebow and don't care much for Orton,

But where has Orton blamed others for the team's failures? Much like the Tebow worshipers I've seen some of Orton's fans try to explain away his failures, but honestly I don't recall Orton himself ever blaming anyone else.

I'd love to see it if he has and I pay close attention to these things so I'd be pretty shocked that I missed it. Can you provide examples? I'd be very interested to see them.
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Yes he could.
Yeah, its possible.

If all four of his limbs fell off and he played the game flopping about the field like a fish out of water, batting the ball around with his nubs...I could see him having a worse game.
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Starts the game with a pick 6. Follows it up with a pile of failed drives, including two failures on 4th and 1 (one of which was on the goal line), five 3-and-outs, and a sack-fumble.

The mantra on Kyle is that he won't win you any games, but he wont lose you any games either. That Raiders debacle last year (arguably the most embarrassing regular season game in Broncos history) was a Kyle Orton loss.
but he gives us the best chance to win.









Oh i'm sorry, I meant he gives the other team the best chance to win.
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Definitely no.

Or Orton's play vs SD.

Or Orton's play vs KC.

Or Orton's play vs Balt.

Or Orton's play vs AZ.

Or...

****in dog**** FO and staff, apparently. Must've gotten lucky on draft day.
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If Tebow ever had a game that bad, even I would toss him out. Conclude he does not have what it takes.

Because it gets tougher than that in the postseason. Something Orton has never seen.
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I like Tebow and don't care much for Orton,

But where has Orton blamed others for the team's failures? Much like the Tebow worshipers I've seen some of Orton's fans try to explain away his failures, but honestly I don't recall Orton himself ever blaming anyone else.
I don't have any specific instances I can point to or show proof of.. it's just something I have noticed him allude to when he talks about the team... about how the run game isn't playing well enough... about how if only "this element of the team could be better then we would be great" etc etc.

And he does it by his play as well because he never takes risks of any kind. Like in the Dallas game where they were at the one yard line and he just throws it out of bounds again and again. Yet no one ever blames him in these situations on the team.

I also remember him saying how Denver fans "expect the world" from their QB to live up to Elway.

But just look at how all this off season no one talked about what Orton needed to do and neither did he.. and he wants to be traded and acts like he deserves to be the starter.

It's very very very strange.. it's some kind of Jedi mind trick.. lol

It's the COMPLETE opposite of Tebow...

Orton is a guy who spent his whole life training to pretend to be a QB just running a system, with hollow numbers

Tebow spent his whole life doing the complete opposite.. it shows what is wrong with the QB position right now across the board.
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I don't have any specific instances I can point to or show proof of.. it's just something I have noticed him allude to when he talks about the team... about how the run game isn't playing well enough... about how if only "this element of the team could be better then we would be great" etc etc.

And he does it by his play as well because he never takes risks of any kind. Like in the Dallas game where they were at the one yard line and he just throws it out of bounds again and again. Yet no one ever blames him in these situations on the team.

I also remember him saying how Denver fans "expect the world" from their QB to live up to Elway.

But just look at how all this off season no one talked about what Orton needed to do and neither did he.. and he wants to be traded and acts like he deserves to be the starter.

It's very very very strange.. it's some kind of Jedi mind trick.. lol

It's the COMPLETE opposite of Tebow...

Orton is a guy who spent his whole life training to pretend to be a QB just running a system, with hollow numbers

Tebow spent his whole life doing the complete opposite.. it shows what is wrong with the QB position right now across the board.
Sooooo...you don't have any evidence of the hyperbole spewing from your mouth?
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Sooooo...you don't have any evidence of the hyperbole spewing from your mouth?
Just because I can't point to a picture of you online doesn't mean you don't exist does it?

Is it hyperbole to say you do?
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Starts the game with a pick 6. Follows it up with a pile of failed drives, including two failures on 4th and 1 (one of which was on the goal line), five 3-and-outs, and a sack-fumble.

The mantra on Kyle is that he won't win you any games, but he wont lose you any games either. That Raiders debacle last year (arguably the most embarrassing regular season game in Broncos history) was a Kyle Orton loss.
What I don't get is how anyone can blame the whole loss on Orton He threw an early pick 6... However, the O-line was dominated and gave up the sacks. You're RB's didn't show up and neither did your defense. I would say that since Heblows is less accurate he might have done worse. You can't blame that game on 1 person. It was a complete team loss.
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What I don't get is how anyone can blame the whole loss on Orton He threw an early pick 6... However, the O-line was dominated and gave up the sacks. You're RB's didn't show up and neither did your defense. I would say that since Heblows is less accurate he might have done worse. You can't blame that game on 1 person. It was a complete team loss.
Weird considering in his first ever NFL start without a HC and in probably the most hostile stadium for a Denver Bronco in the nation, he did better.

Much better.
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