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Old 08-20-2011, 10:00 PM   #1
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It was a great game for this team. Lots of big plays and a real confidence booster. Von Doom both were really bringing the heat. Miller got his first sack as a pro player which was great. DJ even got an interception. I think he's had two his whole life.

I liked the rushing offense and the offense in general. It was balanced and effective. Quinn really has improved. He still looks like a backup, but a good backup. Orton and Lloyd have great chemistry with each other. That was nice to see that was intact. The offensive line played well. Franklin is getting better.

Julius Thomas was open a lot. He really is a terrible blocker. Sometimes it looks like he doesn't even want to or has any idea what he's supposed to be doing. The defensive line still gets gashed in the run too much. However we are still collapsing the pocket and getting good pressure. That's all you can ask.

Overall it was nice to see the team play hard for Fox. We still have issues, but receiver and safety look better than I thought they'd be. What are your thoughts (other than whining about the lack of time Tebow got.)
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Von Miller! First time I've really seen this guy. Wow. I was all over Patrick Peterson but damn I was wrong. They got it right for sure. His first step is unreal.
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gotta watch the game tomorrow, didnt see it tonight (too busy losing at poker). but andrew mason compared broncos this year to cheetahs, last year was rhinos. speed kills.
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Didn't get to watch the entire game, but I'm really excited about our rookie class (Miller, Moore, Franklin, and Thomas are all getting 1st team reps and showing talent). I thought the secondary looked pretty good in the 1st half, and Vaughn made some nice plays. Orton played a nice game... I'm excited that we may be able to run the ball this year...
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Thanks for this thread, Kaylore. I was losing faith in the OM over Tebowmania.

Not much to add to your's -- it was a pretty good assessment. I was really stoked to see Von & Doom wreaking havoc. I think that tandem can be something special. I think Bunkley will be a fair player for us, but our interior DL is still going to get pushed around in the run game. I'm excited about Rahim -- it's good to have some promising youth in the secondary. Orton looked solid. He's got a great grasp on the offense & like you said, has a great connection with Lloyd. Speaking of Lloyd, he's beast. I thought last season may have been fluke & he's a bit older, but I think he still has some great football left in him. I'm a Decker fanboy, so I'd like to see him get targeted a little more with the 1's. Knowshon caught my eye a couple times. He's got great lateral moves, but as it's been beat to death, no break away speed. Mostly I'm just glad to see some defense.

I'm liking my $50 bet I made with a friend -- I took the over on 5.5 total wins.

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It was a great game for this team. Lots of big plays and a real confidence booster. Von Doom both were really bringing the heat. Miller got his first sack as a pro player which was great. DJ even got an interception. I think he's had two his whole life.

I liked the rushing offense and the offense in general. It was balanced and effective. Quinn really has improved. He still looks like a backup, but a good backup. Orton and Lloyd have great chemistry with each other. That was nice to see that was intact. The offensive line played well. Franklin is getting better.

Julius Thomas was open a lot. He really is a terrible blocker. Sometimes it looks like he doesn't even want to or has any idea what he's supposed to be doing. The defensive line still gets gashed in the run too much. However we are still collapsing the pocket and getting good pressure. That's all you can ask.

Overall it was nice to see the team play hard for Fox. We still have issues, but receiver and safety look better than I thought they'd be. What are your thoughts (other than whining about the lack of time Tebow got.)
That's what I saw too. Very promising. rep
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Both teams played hard.
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Love the pressure from the D. Lot's of blitzes. Might get off the field on 3rd and Long this year. Like Bailey playing the slot. Might preserve the hammy not sprinting with the outside go routes. Plus he's positioned geniously for run support. Vaughn surprised me. Wanted to see more JJ instead of Minor at RB.
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Thanks for this thread, Kaylore. I was losing faith in the OM over Tebowmania.

Not much to add to your's -- it was a pretty good assessment. I was really stoked to see Von & Doom wreaking havoc. I think that tandem can be something special. I think Bunkley will be a fair player for us, but our interior DL is still going to get pushed around in the run game. I'm excited about Rahim -- it's good to have some promising youth in the secondary. Orton looked solid. He's got a great grasp on the offense & like you said, has a great connection with Lloyd. Speaking of Lloyd, he's beast. I thought last season may have been fluke & he's a bit older, but I think he still has some great football left in him. I'm a Decker fanboy, so I'd like to see him get targeted a little more with the 1's. Knowshon caught my eye a couple times. He's got great lateral moves, but as it's been beat to death, no break away speed. Mostly I'm just glad to see some defense.

I'm liking my $50 bet I made with a friend -- I took the over on 5.5 total wins.
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Thanks for starting this thread.

Von Miller is an instinctive pass rusher. He doesn't just rely on speed. His first step is incredible too.

Brandon Lloyd made the best catch I've seen in preseason, and then proceeded to almost make a one hand grab that would have one-upped it.

Franklin is a mauler.

Bunkley's gap integrity was good and he was disruptive.

I think Fox is finally going to use D.J. correctly as a straight line edge rusher.

Joe Mays in space is a disaster.

Moreno will be solid this year, and had a decent game, but I just don't see the explosiveness you want from your 1A RB.

As you mentioned Thomas was getting open a lot. He's a decent route runner for such little football experience, but you're right his blocking is terrible.

Lost in the Orton/Tebow tribal warfare is that Brady Quinn has fixed his footwork and improved his mechanics. I never thought I would say many positive things about him as I have over the past couple of weeks.
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Miller's first step is rediculous.
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Miller's first step is rediculous.
It really is. And he didn't need to get into the three point stance to get off the ball like that.
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Agree that Miller looked great and the defensive play overall is encouraging. I was glad to see the running backs involved in the passing game - with Fox's "run first" reputation the offense has more passing than I expected.

Haven't seen anyone mention the punting yet - great game by Britton Colquitt. Booming high punts that were easy to cover - one of the better games from a Bronco punter I've seen at home. Nice we don't have to worry about this position two years removed from Mitch Berger's 7 yarders.
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I know it was Buffalo, but I thought both starting units played really well. I was very pleased. Everyone else has already mentioned Von Doom so all I'll say is it's going to be a pleasure watching a Denver team with two legitimate pass rushers for the first time since like the Dan Reeves era (ok, I'll buy Neil Smith and Alfred Williams). Brandon Lloyd still looks like the Brandon Lloyd of last year, which, for anyone that has followed Lloyd's career, is a huge relief. Cassius Vaugh and Rahim Moore look like NFL starters to me, and that's pretty cool. Our biggest concerns are still the running game and the run defense, but that's not exactly surprising.
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Old 08-20-2011, 10:48 PM   #15
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Miller is clearly best known and utilized as a pass rusher. But the thing that has me worried is that nobody talks about him as either a run stopper or in pass coverage. Don't linebackers need to be able to cover receivers every now and then, and stop the run as well? Can Von do these things? If not, he might as well be a DE instead of a LB.
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Just finished watching the game, thought our first team looked great. Came to the Mane expecting people to be happy, yet all everyone wants to talk about is Tebow. Very disappointing.

Anyway, offense looked good. If McGahee and Moreno can both stay healthy they're going to be a very nice tandem. I do worry about our depth behind them though, none of the other backs impressed me very much.

Orton looked very good. Had me cursing him on that one sack where he went fetal on it, but he made some nice throws and had a couple of nice plays on 3rd down (though one got called back for a penalty unfortunately).

I like our receiving options I have to say. Lloyd is a legit #1 receiver, and Eddie back on the outside is going to be a good thing for him. Decker looks a very nice fit for the slot receiver spot, and Orange Julius got involved in the passing game too.

O-Line weren't as punishing in the run blocking this week as that one series against Dallas last week, but we still look worlds better than we did last year. Was nice to see us able to convert short yardage situations on the ground too. Punching it in for the TD and we also converted a 3rd and 1 on the ground on the second TD drive. (despite McGahee bobbling the ball, the line did such a good job that it didn't matter and he picked up the first with ease.)

On defense, we're going to have to accept that teams are going to run the ball against us and have some success doing it. We simply aren't stout enough up the middle of the D to shut the run down on a consistent basis. I do think with our aggressive style however that we'll make enough plays in the backfield to force teams into passing downs eventually. The key will be to tackle well at the second level and not allow huge gains.

Our pass defense looks like it's going to be as good as we've had in years. Miller already looks like a guy who can be effective in the NFL. He and Doom on either side gives us a legit pass rush on 3rd down.

I've loved what I've seen from Allen so far on our 3rd down defense. He's willing to blitz. I think we'll be able to get pressure with a 4 man rush, but when you combine that with a willingness to bring extra men then you're going to make big plays on D.

One of my very favourite things we're doing on D is having Champ come inside in the nickle D. That makes it so much more difficult to move the chains against us when you have Champ playing in the center of the field, taking away the short stuff. We'll probably give up some big plays deep as a result of not having Champ back there, but we're going to make it difficult to pick up the short stuff and force QB's to make the tougher passes to move the chains. I love that.

Good stuff all in all, looking forward to next week.
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1. First team OL appears to be gelling a little bit.
2. Both top backs had a good outing I thought. Moreno with some decent runs and also nice plays in the passing game. Appears that McGahee will be the GL and SY back this year as Moreno lacks the functional strength for that role.
3. Got to see some of Orange Julius which was nice. Still think this group of TE's is largely a weakness, at least at this point, however.
4. It's encouraging to see that Lloyd is still in his 2010 form. Looks like Decker will have a strong role. He's a playmaker and very sure handed. I continue to be a little alarmed at the fact that they can't revive Royal into his former self in this scheme.
5. They are still pretty soft against the run, understandably. There still isn't a sufficient amount of beef on the line. Losing Warren will hurt an already weak DT group. There were some TFL, however, by Doom, DJ etc, which were nice to see.
6. OLB's are a turning into a very strong point. Impressed by the growth Miller showed from Game 1 to Game 2. He eats up alot of space fast, has a great first step and created massive problems for the Bills in pass protection. He made some things happen in pursuing the run as well, but he'll have to get better as a pass defender, which I'm sure he will. He is an elite player, though. DJ had a terrific game. He got pressure on the QB's on blitzes, made some plays against the run and ofcourse had a nice INT. He's an excellent 4-3 WLB and the fact that there's some other talent in the front 7 now will only help him even more. I also liked what I saw from Mohamed and Woodyard.
7. Thrilled to see such a pass rush. Alot of people getting into the act, most notably Dumervil and Miller. Confident that the staff will creatively use them and align them all over the place to create matchups and use stunts and games to confuse OL. Even BUF's commentators discussed the speed of Denver's front.
8. MLB is a problem area. Mays is a liability against the pass and also in pursuit. I tried to focus on Irving when he came in during the second half, but did not see a whole lot to believe he'll be starter material in the immediate future. He did get some good depth on one play when it looked like they were in Tampa 2.
9. Like Miller, I was encouraged by the progress Moore made from Game 1 to Game 2, it was noticeable. Cox runs hot and cold. He made a number of plays, including breakups, plus some good ST work, but its an all or nothing type of deal with him, kind of like Deltha. Was a bit surprised how far down the depth chart the Squid appears to be, he didn't seem to get much time until late. I hope Bruton is ok, he left in an ambulance.
10. Orton was efficient, throwing to backs and on screens and such. He was able to make some nice downfield throws. Still don't think he can make things happen unless he has excellent protection which probably won't be the case most of the time. Quinn was alright, too. Liked the timing and accuracy on that post route. I wasn't happy that they basically didn't give Tebow any oppurtunities at all to work and improve and pulling him for that scrub Weber was curious at best. Not sure what they're trying to do there, but at best its short-sighted and at worst its mean spirited.
11. It was a poor opponent and its still preseason but its nice to see alot of people flash some good consistent play for the most part.
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I think next week will give us a much better indication of where we're at as a football team.

I'm very worried about our ability to stop the run, but obviously very impressed with everything others have been talking about.

Did anyone else have a take on Macarthy or Irving this week? I tried to keep an eye out, but really couldn't key in very well.

I'm surprised I'm not reading more about Quinn. I was very impressed with the way he played
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Von Miller looked like the real deal.

Our run defense still sucks.

We have very little depth on defense.
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Miller is clearly best known and utilized as a pass rusher. But the thing that has me worried is that nobody talks about him as either a run stopper or in pass coverage. Don't linebackers need to be able to cover receivers every now and then, and stop the run as well? Can Von do these things? If not, he might as well be a DE instead of a LB.
Von Miller is good at run support from the Sam position, and he's got the athleticism to become a good coverage guy. No need to worry. In all honesty, Miller is a hundred times the player that is needed at the Sam position. It's kind of overkill.
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Overall I liked the play of the front seven when comes to getting to the QB, but I am wondering where Ayers was last night.
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It was a great game for this team. Lots of big plays and a real confidence booster. Von Doom both were really bringing the heat. Miller got his first sack as a pro player which was great. DJ even got an interception. I think he's had two his whole life.

I liked the rushing offense and the offense in general. It was balanced and effective. Quinn really has improved. He still looks like a backup, but a good backup. Orton and Lloyd have great chemistry with each other. That was nice to see that was intact. The offensive line played well. Franklin is getting better.

Julius Thomas was open a lot. He really is a terrible blocker. Sometimes it looks like he doesn't even want to or has any idea what he's supposed to be doing. The defensive line still gets gashed in the run too much. However we are still collapsing the pocket and getting good pressure. That's all you can ask.

Overall it was nice to see the team play hard for Fox. We still have issues, but receiver and safety look better than I thought they'd be. What are your thoughts (other than whining about the lack of time Tebow got.)
I heard Stink say last week that it was clear that Thomas did not even attempt to block. Maybe we should just convert him to receiver. If we leave him as a TE every time he is on the game it is a tell on what we are going to do.

I thought the D looked good on passing downs besides a few plays, but it is painfully obvious we are going to get ran on all day. It could be a long season.
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I said this in the chat last night, I'm pretty sure in this first draft of EFX we're going to have more starters than both of McD's combined. I don't know if that is telling of how solid of a job our new guys did or how bad McD really was. Probably both.
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I heard Stink say last week that it was clear that Thomas did not even attempt to block. Maybe we should just convert him to receiver. If we leave him as a TE every time he is on the game it is a tell on what we are going to do.

I thought the D looked good on passing downs besides a few plays, but it is painfully obvious we are going to get ran on all day. It could be a long season.
He only played one year of organized football, and blocking can be taught. Sharpe had the same problem as young player and he worked on it until he was ok with it.
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I said this in the chat last night, I'm pretty sure in this first draft of EFX we're going to have more starters than both of McD's combined. I don't know if that is telling of how solid of a job our new guys did or how bad McD really was. Probably both.
McDaniels drafted Moreno, Ayers, Beadles, Walton, and Decker (3rd WR gets as many starts as a TE or FB).

The new regime drafted Miller, Moore, and Franklin who are currently starting. So they've got to pick up two more from Carter, Irving, J. Thomas, Mohammed, Beals, etc. for that to come true without any of Tebow, D. Thomas, McBath, Thompson, R. Quinn, etc. breaking through.

If we count UDFAs in that mix McDaniels would add McCarthy (Dawkins' heir apparent) and Vaughn (nickel CB) while the new crew lack any UDFA of note on the roster.
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