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Old 08-17-2011, 07:17 PM   #1
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Default ESPN Insider -- Why Tebow will succeed

I know we're trying to move away from posting entire articles, but since it's an insider article, I thought I'd copy/paste. If I missed a reason not to and this needs to be taken down, please do so.

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Old 08-17-2011, 07:19 PM   #2
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Old 08-17-2011, 07:28 PM   #3
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I hope we use Tebow in the red zone, Orton does not get it done inside the 15.
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Old 08-17-2011, 07:37 PM   #5
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I like how they compare Tim Tebow to Steve Young. How many years did Young sit on the bench learning?
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Old 08-17-2011, 07:40 PM   #6
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Taco has made it quite clear that we are not supposed to post whole articles, much less whole subscription premium articles without a single link. You are creating possible problems for us...so I'm going to remove the entire article from your post. If you want to post your own summary in your own words, that's fine.
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Old 08-17-2011, 07:44 PM   #7
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I like how they compare Tim Tebow to Steve Young. How many years did Young sit on the bench learning?

God forbid the shyt fairy catches wind of this.
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Old 08-17-2011, 07:59 PM   #8
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Taco has made it quite clear that we are not supposed to post whole articles, much less whole subscription premium articles without a single link. You are creating possible problems for us...so I'm going to remove the entire article from your post. If you want to post your own summary in your own words, that's fine.
Ah, thank you, I thought I remembered that we weren't supposed to, but I didn't know why.

As for a summary:

1. Steve Young was criticized for all the same reasons Tebow is. In fact, some of the critical quotes about Steve Young read almost verbatim like quotes about Tebow.

2. Tebow will never be a prototypical QB, but the framework by which we judge value of QBs fails to account for all the ways Tebow can be successful.

3. The new QB rating that tries to account for relative value and includes rushing yards and TDs illustrates Tebow's potential value when extrapolated over a whole season.

4. To assume that Tebow's style will result in a shorter career or a tail-off in production is potentially erroneous (see Young/Vick).

5. Tebow will likely get better. Vick did. Young did.

6. Doubters are short-sighted and/or committed to an outdated QB model.
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God forbid the shyt fairy catches wind of this.
I'm shocked he cares what Young has to say. He didn't dominate the SEC.
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one important thing to keep in mind is this is only tebows 2nd year. nothing wrong with sitting for 2 years and learning to be a better QB. ortons a FA at the end of the year, quinn + tebow shootout next year...
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Old 08-17-2011, 08:05 PM   #12
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Reason #6 in the summary is on point.
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Ah, thank you, I thought I remembered that we weren't supposed to, but I didn't know why.

As for a summary:

1. Steve Young was criticized for all the same reasons Tebow is. In fact, some of the critical quotes about Steve Young read almost verbatim like quotes about Tebow.

2. Tebow will never be a prototypical QB, but the framework by which we judge value of QBs fails to account for all the ways Tebow can be successful.

3. The new QB rating that tries to account for relative value and includes rushing yards and TDs illustrates Tebow's potential value when extrapolated over a whole season.

4. To assume that Tebow's style will result in a shorter career or a tail-off in production is potentially erroneous (see Young/Vick).

5. Tebow will likely get better. Vick did. Young did.

6. Doubters are short-sighted and/or committed to an outdated QB model.
One thing I fell like I should mention about Young and Vick - while they had productive rushing season post-30, they did so after riding on the bench / sitting in prison for a few years no getting pounded.

Another thing... I've made the Young/Tebow comparison MANY times, and that was my first response when we drafted him. Bear in mind Young sat out of a long time and learned from one of the greatest QBs of all time.

Tebow will be good. It might not be till he's 28.
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Old 08-17-2011, 08:55 PM   #14
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One thing I fell like I should mention about Young and Vick - while they had productive rushing season post-30, they did so after riding on the bench / sitting in prison for a few years not getting pounded.
Vick might have got pounded in prison....just not on the football field.
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Old 08-17-2011, 09:02 PM   #15
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I'm shocked he cares what Young has to say. He didn't dominate the SEC.
Strawman.. you just owned yourself.
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Why do people act like Tebow needs to sit when Tebow already outplayed Orton in his three games with no prep..

Are people on drugs?
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Vick might have got pounded in prison....just not on the football field.
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No prep? What was he doing before chilling on a beach somewhere?
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No prep? What was he doing before chilling on a beach somewhere?
he had no reps with the starters all season because of king neckbeard.... the legend in his and his homers own minds
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the one thing about Tebow that bothers me, is this offseason he didn't get any coaching. Cam Newton worked with people, Cutler worked on his game. all Tebow did was work on taking snaps from center but never worked on his footwork, throwing motion(even though personally i believe throwing motion is overrated) how to read defenses and go through progressions, how to learn to play from the pocket.
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the one thing about Tebow that bothers me, is this offseason he didn't get any coaching. Cam Newton worked with people, Cutler worked on his game. all Tebow did was work on taking snaps from center but never worked on his footwork, throwing motion(even though personally i believe throwing motion is overrated) how to read defenses and go through progressions, how to learn to play from the pocket.
Tebow went and worked with someone immediately after the season ended.. He also has (OWNS! - D-1) his own QB training facility he went to but I don't know if the QBs coaches were there.

If anything it sounds like Tebow may have gone too far changing his game too much.

But he is also a notoriously slow developer early in the season.. but then he dramatically improves quickly. Tebow is a finisher.. a lot of guys like Orton look great early and disappear late.. Tebow is the opposite.

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Gruden is high on Tebow... maybe he'd come to Denver as a QB coach... then again, I remember Gruden going off early last year about how great McD's oline system was and how our running game was going to explode.
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One thing I fell like I should mention about Young and Vick - while they had productive rushing season post-30, they did so after riding on the bench / sitting in prison for a few years no getting pounded.

Another thing... I've made the Young/Tebow comparison MANY times, and that was my first response when we drafted him. Bear in mind Young sat out of a long time and learned from one of the greatest QBs of all time.

Tebow will be good. It might not be till he's 28.
Tebow has the other greatest QB of all time to learn from. There are only two -- Montana and the other guy.
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Gruden is high on Tebow... maybe he'd come to Denver as a QB coach... then again, I remember Gruden going off early last year about how great McD's oline system was and how our running game was going to explode.
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