Orton is Playing for the Money, Not the Fans - The Orange Mane

epicSocialism4tw · 08-14-2011, 01:35 PM

"Can you handle the truth? Orton is playing for the money, not love of the Broncos or fans. No matter how well Orton performs this season, do you see Denver giving him a new contract for three years and $30 million? I don't think so. So let's be brutally honest: Orton is a mercenary looking for his next NFL job"

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_18678005

brncs_fan · 08-14-2011, 01:37 PM

Can we file this one under; No ****?

SoCalBronco · 08-14-2011, 01:37 PM

I don't like Orton, but that's not because he's playing for money rather than fans. That's a rational perspective for him to have. This is simply a business relationship, he puts in his effort in exchange for cash, nothing more and nothing less. While I do have problems with him, its certainly not for his perspective on this issue.

bendog · 08-14-2011, 01:38 PM

I logged on because I wondered who would link that.

epicSocialism4tw · 08-14-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

I don't like Orton, but that's not because he's playing for money rather than fans. That's a rational perspective for him to have. This is simply a business relationship, he puts in his effort in exchange for cash, nothing more and nothing less. While I do have problems with him, its certainly not for his perspective on this issue.

I agree. Its the perspective that anyone should have.

The real issue is over how management has flubbed the situation into what it is today.

SoCalBronco · 08-14-2011, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

I agree. Its the perspective that anyone should have.

The real issue is over how management has flubbed the situation into what it is today.

Agreed. Management has played it rather poorly. The team has tried to convey the perspective (through their lapdogs in the press...cough, Klis, cough) that the problem was solely between Orton and the Dolphins regarding contracts. Well, if that is the case, they should have "motivated" Kyle to expedite resolution of his contractual issues with the Dolphins. In other words, make his camp miserable. No reps, no interviews, no nothing, except for maybe running laps and engaging in a great deal of other spirited and intense conditioning exercises....alot of them. After all, we wouldn't want him to be in camp for Miami being poorly conditioned. That wouldn't be fair to our trading partner. Instead, we've been bending over backwards to him, giving him precious reps that would have been more valuable for Tebow's development since Orton is an experienced vet and Tebow was robbed of OTA's by the lockout. What we should have done was make it ****ing miserable for him to the furthest extent permitted by the CBA. You get that contract worked out...or else.

brncs_fan · 08-14-2011, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

The real issue is over how management has flubbed the situation into what it is today.

The situation where we have an NFL caliber QB that can go out and play for us until we have one of our other QBs step up and show that they are also NFL starting caliber QBs?

Just awful.

bendog · 08-14-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by brncs_fan

The situation where we have an NFL caliber QB that can go out and play for us until we have one of our other QBs step up and show that they are also NFL starting caliber QBs?

Just awful.

And if Tebow still can't make the plays under center by Dec, they draft a qb. There are probably 3 who'll go in the first.

SoCalBronco · 08-14-2011, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by brncs_fan

The situation where we have an NFL caliber QB that can go out and play for us until we have one of our other QBs step up and show that they are also NFL starting caliber QBs?

Just awful.

Quinn's been practicing quite well (seems like he also played pretty well too against DAL, albeit vs. 3s), so there is still insurance there if Tebow is not sufficiently prepared by opening day.

The guy is on a one year deal. This is our only oppurtunity to get something for him. Plus, if Elway really does not think Tebow can cut it and that he would much prefer Luck, he should welcome the oppurtunity to test out his hypothesis. If that sentiment is simply contrived, then he should still get rid of Orton since its better to get something for him now when we're still not contending yet and the fans have made it clear that giving him a long term deal is a non-starter.

bendog · 08-14-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Quinn's been practicing quite well (seems like he also played pretty well too against DAL, albeit vs. 3s), so there is still insurance there if Tebow is not sufficiently prepared by opening day.

The guy is on a one year deal. This is our only oppurtunity to get something for him. Plus, if Elway really does not think Tebow can cut it and that he would much prefer Luck, he should welcome the oppurtunity to test out his hypothesis. If that sentiment is simply contrived, then he should still get rid of Orton since its better to get something for him now when we're still not contending yet and the fans have made it clear that giving him a long term deal is a non-starter.

I think the only way they lose enough to suck for luck was to ship Orton out for whatever anyone would give us, and then throw Tebow to the lions. But that would probably destroy Tebow mentally and possibly physically at this pt in his career.

epicSocialism4tw · 08-14-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Agreed. Management has played it rather poorly. The team has tried to convey the perspective (through their lapdogs in the press...cough, Klis, cough) that the problem was solely between Orton and the Dolphins regarding contracts. Well, if that is the case, they should have "motivated" Kyle to expedite resolution of his contractual issues with the Dolphins. In other words, make his camp miserable. No reps, no interviews, no nothing, except for maybe running laps and engaging in a great deal of other spirited and intense conditioning exercises....alot of them. After all, we wouldn't want him to be in camp for Miami being poorly conditioned. That wouldn't be fair to our trading partner. Instead, we've been bending over backwards to him, giving him precious reps that would have been more valuable for Tebow's development since Orton is an experienced vet and Tebow was robbed of OTA's by the lockout. What we should have done was make it ****ing miserable for him to the furthest extent permitted by the CBA. You get that contract worked out...or else.

Yeah, they didn't know how deep the water was when they stepped in it.

Now they're wasting a year of development for their QB of the future.

Its unfortunate that Elway is involved in this, knowing how it was as a young player when he was getting yanked around by similar coaching and management.

Aaron Rogers sat because he was playing behind a franchise legend. Tebow's getting sat behind a player who he is just as productive as who will be with another team next season. Odd.

bombay · 08-14-2011, 02:04 PM

Quinn has looked very good. I'd like to see him against another team's first string D in the next game or two. The Broncos might have a legitimate starter.

brncs_fan · 08-14-2011, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Quinn's been practicing quite well (seems like he also played pretty well too against DAL, albeit vs. 3s), so there is still insurance there if Tebow is not sufficiently prepared by opening day.

The guy is on a one year deal. This is our only oppurtunity to get something for him. Plus, if Elway really does not think Tebow can cut it and that he would much prefer Luck, he should welcome the oppurtunity to test out his hypothesis. If that sentiment is simply contrived, then he should still get rid of Orton since its better to get something for him now when we're still not contending yet and the fans have made it clear that giving him a long term deal is a non-starter.

I get all of that. Furthermore I agree with it (except I don't think we have a chance in hell at Luck). I was all for trading Orton and trying to get a pick, but a combination of the lockout and other factors have prevented him from being traded. I don't think it was a "flubbing" as much as trading for him didn't make any sense to a lot of teams given that he is probably going to be replaced by Tebow anyway.

A team like Miami can suck this year, get a high draft pick, and still get Orton. Not too shabby for them.

Conklin · 08-14-2011, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

Yeah, they didn't know how deep the water was when they stepped in it.

Now they're wasting a year of development for their QB of the future.

Its unfortunate that Elway is involved in this, knowing how it was as a young player when he was getting yanked around by similar coaching and management.

Aaron Rogers sat because he was playing behind a franchise legend. Tebow's getting sat behind a player who he is just as productive as who will be with another team next season. Odd.

a year of practice and situational game play is not a waste...orton gives us our best chance to win, get over it

bendog · 08-14-2011, 02:15 PM

Elway only started when Deberg got hurt, and was so unimpressive that Kubes actually took a start. He did play better as time went on. But he didn't play in a spread offense that left the qb in shotgun all the time.

epicSocialism4tw · 08-14-2011, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Conklin

a year of practice and situational game play is not a waste...orton gives us our best chance to win, get over it

Orton gives us the best chance to win?

That's funny! I dig your sarcasm.

cabronco · 08-14-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bombay

Quinn has looked very good. I'd like to see him against another team's first string D in the next game or two. The Broncos might have a legitimate starter.

Ya, I'm anxious to see how the next few p.s. games play out. I'd like to see BQ and TT get a shot w/ the 1st string. But BQ looked pretty good vs Dallas. I'd like to see him work in the red zone, and if he's able to throw a fade, or any touch pass.

Jesterhole · 08-14-2011, 02:30 PM

Not that I'm a big Orton fan, but how is that different from most players? How many of you think your paycheck is more important than the opinion the public has of the company you work for?

epicSocialism4tw · 08-14-2011, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesterhole

Not that I'm a big Orton fan, but how is that different from most players? How many of you think your paycheck is more important than the opinion the public has of the company you work for?

Anyone belonging to a union.

But seriously...Orton is not the future here.

This season is a waste. Fans' dollars will reflect that.

razorwire77 · 08-14-2011, 02:37 PM

I also hear that Kyle Orton goes to local animal shelters and kicks puppies in the dick.

How can anyone blame him for taking this approach? Our front office **** the bed with situation. They told Timmy he was going to be the man and to organize team workouts during the lockout. Then they failed to move Orton and decided keep him as a starter after they thought Tebow was too raw to start. Now, if they move him they risk undermining the entire locker room.

TonyR · 08-14-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

Orton gives us the best chance to win?

So assuming Fox/Elway go with Orton opening day... do you think they don't want to start the guy who gives them the best chance to win or do you think they do but you know better than them? Serious question.

Spider · 08-14-2011, 02:41 PM

dayum the bastard ......for elway loved denver and the fans so much he played for free ...........

epicSocialism4tw · 08-14-2011, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyR

So assuming Fox/Elway go with Orton opening day... do you think they don't want to start the guy who gives them the best chance to win or do you think they do but you know better than them? Serious question.

They don't have the cajones to sit the guy who is friends with the OL and the WR's and to roll with uncertainty.

But Tebow's move to the first team is an inevitability. Fox will learn by week 8 or 9 that Orton is a red zone louse and can't make plays consistently unless the Broncos are pretty far behind. Then he'll make the change or he'll drive the thing further into the dirt.

Beantown Bronco · 08-14-2011, 02:48 PM

Unless you can find me a player that plays in the NFL for free, then you can delete "Orton" and insert any other players name in the title of this thread.

Spider · 08-14-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Unless you can find me a player that plays in the NFL for free, then you can delete "Orton" and insert any other players name in the title of this thread.

TEBOW err wait he is getting paid also ......nevermind

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epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	Orton is Playing for the Money, Not the Fans "Can you handle the truth? Orton is playing for the money, not love of the Broncos or fans. No matter how well Orton performs this season, do you see Denver giving him a new contract for three years and $30 million? I don't think so. So let's be brutally honest: Orton is a mercenary looking for his next NFL job" http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_18678005

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brncs_fan How about some Tapenade! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Coaches Cradle...Eastern Illinois University Posts: 5,490 Adopt-a-Bronco: Manti Teo	Can we file this one under; No ****?

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SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,294 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	I don't like Orton, but that's not because he's playing for money rather than fans. That's a rational perspective for him to have. This is simply a business relationship, he puts in his effort in exchange for cash, nothing more and nothing less. While I do have problems with him, its certainly not for his perspective on this issue.

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bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	I logged on because I wondered who would link that.

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bombay Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: denver Posts: 4,330	Quinn has looked very good. I'd like to see him against another team's first string D in the next game or two. The Broncos might have a legitimate starter.

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bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	Elway only started when Deberg got hurt, and was so unimpressive that Kubes actually took a start. He did play better as time went on. But he didn't play in a spread offense that left the qb in shotgun all the time.

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Jesterhole Ring of Famer Ridin' the McFailboat... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,036	Not that I'm a big Orton fan, but how is that different from most players? How many of you think your paycheck is more important than the opinion the public has of the company you work for?

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razorwire77 Tapenade Swagga Splotchy Headed Assassin Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 3,256 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mario Fannin	I also hear that Kyle Orton goes to local animal shelters and kicks puppies in the dick. How can anyone blame him for taking this approach? Our front office **** the bed with situation. They told Timmy he was going to be the man and to organize team workouts during the lockout. Then they failed to move Orton and decided keep him as a starter after they thought Tebow was too raw to start. Now, if they move him they risk undermining the entire locker room.

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Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	dayum the bastard ......for elway loved denver and the fans so much he played for free ...........

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Beantown Bronco Athletic Supporter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 19,040 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Prater	Unless you can find me a player that plays in the NFL for free, then you can delete "Orton" and insert any other players name in the title of this thread.