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Old 08-13-2011, 10:49 PM   #1
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Not what it currently is, but what the Broncos should field - By position

Secondary - Bailey, Vaughn, McCarthy(SS), Moore(FS)
I'd put Harris a bit ahead of Bruton as the backup FS and cut McBath, who completely sucks. Goodwin is now where near as good as Vaughn and should be the NB, but Harris should be competing. I didn't see Squid play Thursday, but if he's drastically improved over last year, he could be in the mix for a roster spot. Cox and Jones suck as bad as McBath and would have a hard time making a UFL roster. Dawkins is not the best SS, nor as good as Carter who really impressed Thursday. Since Dawkins is only the 3rd-best SS on the team, tied with Bruton, he should be cut.

Linebackers - Miller, Mohamed(MLB), Williams
I didn't see Irving Play Thursday, but he should be in competition with Mohamed, who really impressed, as the starting MLB. Mays and Haggan are terrible. Robinson looked OK as the backup SLB, as did Mohamed. Kelly looked really good and should be giving Woodyard a run as the backup WLB. Didin't see Mayo, Jones or Domino Thursday.

Defensive Line - Hunter, Bunkley, Thomas, Dumervil
At starting LDE, Hunter clearly won the spot and I'd put Ayers on equal ground as Jarmon at backup. Harvey looked good backing up Dumervil while Beal didn't on the 3rd string. We seem to finally have a solid group of DTs with the starters, Warren and Vickerson. Brown really stepped up at the end of the game in the redzone as 3rd string UT. McBean is absolutely terrible, just like last year and I'd put Leonard McFatty, who didn't play Thursday, in front of him. Didn't see Unrein, but I think he could backup both positions.
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Old 08-13-2011, 10:55 PM   #2
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You think Vaughn, McCarthy, Mohamed, and Hunter should start?

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Old 08-14-2011, 12:34 AM   #3
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You think Vaughn, McCarthy, Mohamed, and Hunter should start? Seriously?
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Old 08-14-2011, 01:15 AM   #4
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hunter should get second looks especially if he continues being productive, but i dont think mohammed will start anytime soon, i think hes been playing all 3 LB positions so he might be first in line if someone else goes down (could be wrong...)

mccarthy has been seeing a lot of first team reps in practice according to andrew mason, so that very well may happen this season.
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Old 08-14-2011, 03:13 AM   #6
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Old 08-14-2011, 04:10 AM   #7
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Vaughn wasn't particularly great Thursday. He did ok for a depth CB but he's still not as reliable as Goodman, which is what we need opposite Champ.

McCarthy is Dawkins' backup. Dawkins can't play every down at his age and is likely more of an in the box specialist. McCarthy will likely see some significant field time during the season.

Irving didn't play. Mohammed didn't play until the third stringers were all in and the Cowboys' offense consisted of "throw it at Nate Jones". I didn't see anything particularly noteworthy from him. Mays had one bad play, other than that he looked very good at shutting down the run. He's a solid choice as a two down starting MLB.

Hunter has had significant on-field time in real NFL games. They had him running third string against 3rd stringers. Of course he lit them up. He would never be able to hold up as a strong side end in the running game or be able to wall off his man to let Miller work untouched. Ayers is clearly our best option for that followed by Jarmon (who coincidentally follows Ayers on the depth chart). The coaching staff obviously thinks Ayers has some real potential since he's an every down player in all fronts, including when we put Miller on the line, as Ayers bumps inside and one of the DTs leaves.
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Old 08-14-2011, 05:04 AM   #8
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Mohamed SUCKS! I cannot you believe he should be starting. He'll be lucky to make the practice squad. He is a liability in coverage and he is slow to react to the play. Both he and Nate Jones contributed to the demise of the defense on the last Dallas drive.

Sorry, Boom....can't agree with you on this one.
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Old 08-14-2011, 06:21 AM   #9
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I guess you didn't watch the game, or just didn't watch who was on the field. Or you did and are just lying
I would say you didn't watch the game.
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Old 08-14-2011, 07:23 AM   #10
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I guess you didn't watch the game, or just didn't watch who was on the field. Or you did and are just lying
Did you watch the game?

The MLB rotation was Mays with the first teamers, Haggan with the second string and he played into the 3rd quarter, at which point he was replaced by Mohammed.

I'm not saying Mohammed was particularly bad. He looks very fluid for an MLB, at least in the limited action he got. With how badly Nate Jones was doing and how quickly the Cowboys focused in on him it was near impossible to gauge the rest of the defensive back seven, since they spent more time chasing down guys after the catch than getting to maintain their own assignments. But he didn't just blow it up out there in a way that befits even jumping Haggan on the depth chart, let alone all the way up to #1. I'd be surprised if Mohammed doesn't move down the depth chart once Irving is ready to play.

At DE the starters were Doom and Ayers, with Derek Hardy replacing Doom and Jarmon replacing Ayers (including bumping inside on nickel downs like Ayers will do). Hunter came in earlier than most of the 3rd string but well after both Hardy and Jarmon had gotten a lot of run. Hunter played opposite Beal and the majority of his good play came when the Cowboys had predominantly third stringers in, including 3rd string QB Stephen McGee.

I like Hunter, but he's not an ever down strongside end. He gets good pass rush and would be an excellent pairing with Jarmon behind Doom and Ayers, with Jarmon taking rushing downs and Hunter in on passing downs. But he's not starter material on the strong side where the DE's primary tasks will be stuffing the run and setting an edge for Miller to work around.
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Mohammed didn't play until the third stringers were all in and the Cowboys' offense consisted of "throw it at Nate Jones".
...They had Hunter running third string against 3rd stringers. Of course he lit them up.
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The MLB rotation was Mays with the first teamers, Haggan with the second string and he played into the 3rd quarter, at which point he was replaced by Mohammed. ...
At DE the starters were Doom and Ayers, with Derek Hardy replacing Doom and Jarmon replacing Ayers (including bumping inside on nickel downs like Ayers will do). Hunter came in earlier than most of the 3rd string but well after both Hardy and Jarmon had gotten a lot of run. Hunter played opposite Beal and the majority of his good play came when the Cowboys had predominantly third stringers in, including 3rd string QB Stephen McGee.
I guess you didn't watch the game, or just didn't watch who was on the field. Or you did and are just lying
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I guess you didn't watch the game, or just didn't watch who was on the field. Or you did and are just lying
Are you saying Mohammed started?
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Derrick Harvey was showing some motor from what I saw. Seemed to be close to the ball most of the time.

The guy that surprised me was #48, Braxton Kelley, where did that guy come from? Seemed like he was making some plays, and he was calling the D signals also for the 2nd string D.

Hunter was pretty active, seemed to be in on a lot of plays, maybe he sticks if he plays ST's well.

As people have mentioned a lot, these guys on the bubble whatever their position have to excel on ST's. That is what gives them the edge.
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[QUOTE=Boomhauer;3253763]Not what it currently is, but what the Broncos should field - By position

Secondary - Bailey, Vaughn, McCarthy(SS), Moore(FS)
I'd put Harris a bit ahead of Bruton as the backup FS and cut McBath, who completely sucks. Goodwin is now where near as good as Vaughn and should be the NB, but Harris should be competing. I didn't see Squid play Thursday, but if he's drastically improved over last year, he could be in the mix for a roster spot. Cox and Jones suck as bad as McBath and would have a hard time making a UFL roster. Dawkins is not the best SS, nor as good as Carter who really impressed Thursday. Since Dawkins is only the 3rd-best SS on the team, tied with Bruton, he should be cut.

Linebackers - Miller, Mohamed(MLB), Williams
I didn't see Irving Play Thursday, but he should be in competition with Mohamed, who really impressed, as the starting MLB. Mays and Haggan are terrible. Robinson looked OK as the backup SLB, as did Mohamed. Kelly looked really good and should be giving Woodyard a run as the backup WLB. Didin't see Mayo, Jones or Domino Thursday.

Defensive Line - Hunter, Bunkley, Thomas, Dumervil
At starting LDE, Hunter clearly won the spot and I'd put Ayers on equal ground as Jarmon at backup. Harvey looked good backing up Dumervil while Beal didn't on the 3rd string. We seem to finally have a solid group of DTs with the starters, Warren and Vickerson. Brown really stepped up at the end of the game in the redzone as 3rd string UT. McBean is absolutely terrible, just like last year and I'd put Leonard McFatty, who didn't play Thursday, in front of him. Didn't see Unrein, but I think he could backup both positions.[/QU




Mr. Boomhauer, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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I'm wondering if McBath and Bruton will make the final roster. Those two were excellent on ST's the past couple years. Depends on how Quintin Carter plays, I guess. Carter may get the nod over one of them just because he was the new regimes draft pick.
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Old 08-14-2011, 09:15 AM   #17
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I thought Jones and Mohammad were terrible. Jones should be cut! Mohammad just looked like he was a step behind on most plays...he's a rookie and it was his first NFL game. I'll give him that.

I thought Robinson actually looked very good out there. I was impressed with his play and also thought Hunter played well.

I spent some time going back over the game to watch Vickerson...I wasn't impressed. Hopefully it was just not a good night for him...but, he stayed in agains the 2's and still didn't look that impressive.

McCarthy looked like a nice backup. Glad to see him make some nice hits.

The biggest thing that I noticed...and watch the game a few times...was that we didn't get any push up the middle...not with the 1's, 2's or 3's. Essentially, there QB's had way too much time to throw the ball. This is what killed us last year. We need to get some push up the middle by our DT's! I thought they played the run o.k....but no push!
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Why are we surprised that Boomhauer finally took his terrible personnel ideas to their own thread?
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Old 08-14-2011, 09:26 AM   #19
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I guess you didn't watch the game, or just didn't watch who was on the field. Or you did and are just lying
How is that inaccurate then? Please grace us with your powerful insight.
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I thought Jones and Mohammad were terrible. Jones should be cut! Mohammad just looked like he was a step behind on most plays...he's a rookie and it was his first NFL game. I'll give him that.

I thought Robinson actually looked very good out there. I was impressed with his play and also thought Hunter played well.

I spent some time going back over the game to watch Vickerson...I wasn't impressed. Hopefully it was just not a good night for him...but, he stayed in agains the 2's and still didn't look that impressive.

McCarthy looked like a nice backup. Glad to see him make some nice hits.

The biggest thing that I noticed...and watch the game a few times...was that we didn't get any push up the middle...not with the 1's, 2's or 3's. Essentially, there QB's had way too much time to throw the ball. This is what killed us last year. We need to get some push up the middle by our DT's! I thought they played the run o.k....but no push!
Probably will continue to be a problem, yes. Still a "wait til next year" kind of deal.
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