Al Gore has a profanity laced meltdown

[Pony Boy]

Al Gore has a profanity laced meltdown at the Aspen Institute as his global warming scam collapses around him.

[Tombstone RJ]

In Webster's dictionary, next to the word "fail" should be a picture of Al Gore.

[W*GS]

Gore is right.

The deniers are full of bull****.

[BroncoInferno]

Good for Gore. he's 100% correct.

[Pony Boy]

This is the best part of his rant "They pay pseudo scientists to pretend to be scientists to put out the message" ............ wow all I can say is Pot meet Kettle.




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[theAPAOps5]

Did he say b ****. He is doing it wrong!

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

This is the best part of his rant "They pay pseudo scientists to pretend to be scientists to put out the message" ............ wow all I can say is Pot meet Kettle.

Care to list some specific names on the fact- and science-based side that you consider to be "pseudo scientists"?

[Garcia Bronco]

What I hear is a guy that's frustrated with the fact that not everyone agrees with him. From his tone, it sounds like he thinks people should be made to agree with him.

that's not going to happen.

[cutthemdown]

The problem with the science is that these formulas and models are really complex and the Earth is really old. It has also been through a lot so you see different things in the soil core, and ice core record in different eras.

So even being off just a little bit in your calculations can mean big big problems.

I just don't think we can control co2 in a short period of time. Not with CHina and India spewing it out. Better just to invent products that will thrive in the new climate. That means heat resistant crops, flood control, sea gates, water management etc etc. In the meantime you let the industries make strides in things like electric cars and greener energy as it is profitable for them. You don't try and force it like govt is doing right now.

I don't understand the science when it gets to a certain point I totally admit that. If a ton of you say you do I think a real scientist or climatologist would make you look silly. But even those guys IMO can't say for sure. Science changes their mind a lot, and could still backtrack on the global warming at some point.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

The problem with the science is that these formulas and models are really complex and the Earth is really old. It has also been through a lot so you see different things in the soil core, and ice core record in different eras.

So even being off just a little bit in your calculations can mean big big problems.

I just don't think we can control co2 in a short period of time. Not with CHina and India spewing it out. Better just to invent products that will thrive in the new climate. That means heat resistant crops, flood control, sea gates, water management etc etc. In the meantime you let the industries make strides in things like electric cars and greener energy as it is profitable for them. You don't try and force it like govt is doing right now.

I don't understand the science when it gets to a certain point I totally admit that. If a ton of you say you do I think a real scientist or climatologist would make you look silly. But even those guys IMO can't say for sure. Science changes their mind a lot, and could still backtrack on the global warming at some point.

At the end of the day it's physics and chemistry. Unforunately we don't have enough data over time to really draw a better conculsion.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

What I hear is a guy that's frustrated with the fact that not everyone agrees with him. From his tone, it sounds like he thinks people should be made to agree with him.

that's not going to happen.

Doesn't matter if we agree with Al Gore or not.

As you note, the physics and chemistry dictate that we pump more CO2 in the atmosphere, the system must retain more energy (among other things), which is exactly what we have observed.

No matter how much Singer, Plimer, Curry, Watts, McIntyre, Monckton, Bolt, Delingpole, *ad nauseum* try to insist otherwise.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

At the end of the day it's physics and chemistry. Unforunately we don't have enough data over time to really draw a better conculsion.

Yeah, yeah.

That's what you always say - "let's just wait longer until we can be more sure".

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

The problem with the science is that these formulas and models are really complex and the Earth is really old. It has also been through a lot so you see different things in the soil core, and ice core record in different eras.

Yes, the climate science community knows that.

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

So even being off just a little bit in your calculations can mean big big problems.

Yes, the climate science community knows that too.

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

I just don't think we can control co2 in a short period of time. Not with CHina and India spewing it out. Better just to invent products that will thrive in the new climate. That means heat resistant crops, flood control, sea gates, water management etc etc. In the meantime you let the industries make strides in things like electric cars and greener energy as it is profitable for them. You don't try and force it like govt is doing right now.

And if adaptation costs much more than mitigation, which it very likely will, we're ****ing ourselves.

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

I don't understand the science when it gets to a certain point I totally admit that. If a ton of you say you do I think a real scientist or climatologist would make you look silly. But even those guys IMO can't say for sure. Science changes their mind a lot, and could still backtrack on the global warming at some point.

There is never 100% certainty in science.

And hoping that maybe, someday, what we understand about the climate system is nearly totally wrong is deluded thinking.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Yeah, yeah.

That's what you always say - "let's just wait longer until we can be more sure".

Well when we are talking about people's lives and what we can actually accomplish given our laws and system of government, I think it's good to make an informed decision. Since I have studied research methods, I am qualified to a small degree to coment on such matters. I don't believe we have enough information to totally say the man is causing the globe to warm.

My advice to you and your group is to find a better way to sell it. I don't agree with you on the cause, however, I am open to conservation and education around climate issues.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Well when we are talking about people's lives and what we can actually accomplish given our laws and system of government, I think it's good to make an informed decision. Since I have studied research methods, I am qualified to a small degree to coment on such matters. I don't believe we have enough information to totally say the man is causing the globe to warm.

That's not what the science community says. What makes you so certain that you're right and they're wrong?

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

My advice to you and your group is to find a better way to sell it. I don't agree with you on the cause, however, I am open to conservation and education around climate issues.

Great. Start with Weart's "The Discovery of Global Warming".

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

What I hear is a guy that's frustrated with the fact that not everyone agrees with him. From his tone, it sounds like he thinks people should be made to agree with him.

that's not going to happen.

He's reduced to a stammering clown these days. Nobody wants what he's selling.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by W*GS

That's not what the science community says. What makes you so certain that you're right and they're wrong?



Great. Start with Weart's "The Discovery of Global Warming".

that book is a pictures of a little chunk of glacier in the ocean. Just thought that was pretty funny. They should have put a little dying polar bear cub on it.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Yes, the climate science community knows that.



Yes, the climate science community knows that too.



And if adaptation costs much more than mitigation, which it very likely will, we're ****ing ourselves.



There is never 100% certainty in science.

And hoping that maybe, someday, what we understand about the climate system is nearly totally wrong is deluded thinking.

I disagree. I think we will spend a ton of money on it and over the years co2 will keep rising. The world will grow at a faster pace then you can reduce co2. Meanwhile other countries that are emerging won't give a hoot about it. Indonesia, India, most of China, Brazil. IMO trying to mitigate, or reduce co2, with some plan you can cool the Earth is almost laughable. You believe the science, and you know what a lot it if probably right, but what you can't show is anyway to really reduce co2. You can reduce what USA puts out, but it will get made up some other place.

[W*GS]

Science isn’t settled
–by Horatio Algeranon

Science isn’t settled
Buildings do not stand
Bridges fall into the gorge
Collapse like so much sand
Rockets never reach the moon
And atoms are illusion
The human source of CO2
Is simply a delusion
The polar ice ain’t melting
And species aren’t hurtin’
Uncertainty is certainly
The only thing that’s certain.

[Pony Boy]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Care to list some specific names on the fact- and science-based side that you consider to be "pseudo scientists"?

Global Warming is a Pseudo Science

Pseudoscience is often characterized by the use of vague, exaggerated or unprovable claims, an over-reliance on confirmation rather than rigorous attempts at refutation, a lack of openness to evaluation by other experts, and a general absence of systematic processes to rationally develop theories.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience


Al Gore’s bizarre rants are a perfect example of his bizzare “the sky is falling!” approach to science. He claimed that Global Warming was melting the snows on Kilimanjaro, then when that stopped, he was claiming that global warming was creating more precipitation and causing heavy snowfall!


Al Gore is peddling Global Warning to make a profit like a modern-day Astrology that is a pure and simple Pseudoscience.

[alkemical]

Al Gore is a capitalist - but we all know weather's changing. Might as well deal with it.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

Global Warming is a Pseudo Science

Pseudoscience is often characterized by the use of vague, exaggerated or unprovable claims, an over-reliance on confirmation rather than rigorous attempts at refutation, a lack of openness to evaluation by other experts, and a general absence of systematic processes to rationally develop theories.

Baloney.

The deniers are just miffed that all their attacks haven't shown the science wrong.

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

Al Gore’s bizarre rants are a perfect example of his bizzare “the sky is falling!” approach to science. He claimed that Global Warming was melting the snows on Kilimanjaro, then when that stopped, he was claiming that global warming was creating more precipitation and causing heavy snowfall!

So forget Al Gore.

Does global warming go away?

Show me.

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

Al Gore is peddling Global Warning to make a profit like a modern-day Astrology that is a pure and simple Pseudoscience.

You're a Koch puppet, you know.

[Pony Boy]

Originally Posted by W*GS

So forget Al Gore.

No, that's the whole point we are talking about Al Gore and his finger pointing at pseudo scientists who pretend to be scientists ............. and I said "Pot meet Kettle". Al Gore is a buffoon and he's your chosen spokes person on Global Warming. So you can't forget Al Gore, he's in it for the money and the long haul.

There are no doubt millions of people buying Al Gore's snake oil and if it makes them feel better then so be it, like I said it's like getting up in the morning and reading your horoscope, if you believe in Astrology and you feel good about then no harm no foul..

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

No, that's the whole point we are talking about Al Gore and his finger pointing at pseudo scientists who pretend to be scientists ............. and I said "Pot meet Kettle". Al Gore is a buffoon and he's your chosen spokes person on Global Warming. So you can't forget Al Gore, he's in it for the money and the long haul.

There are no doubt millions of people buying Al Gore's snake oil and if it makes them feel better then so be it, like I said it's like getting up in the morning and reading your horoscope, if you believe in Astrology and you feel good about then no harm no foul..

Believe it or not, but mocking and attacking Al Gore doesn't change the radiative properties of the CO2 in the atmosphere, nor the other impacts of manmade climate change.

If Al Gore was taken by the Rapture, we'd still have a mess on our hands.