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Old 07-29-2011, 08:10 PM   #1
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Crowd was oohing and aaahing after Thomas broke off a double move, head fake inside, and hauled in deep pass down sideline - great play!
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Julius Thomas looks and plays like a supersized WR, willing blocker that needs to develop that skill set if he's going to be all around guy

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Thomas creates mismatches on the field because he's too big for safeties to cover and too fast for linebackers 2 cover #broncos got a good 1

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Julius Thomas is big but soooo smooth as an athlete, can get upfield in a hurry, knows how to use his frame to 'box out' defenders #bballin

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Thomas had a great day of practice today, #broncos fans watch 80 go and you're in for a treat, stands out first because of his size

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#broncos don't need to add a move TE as Thomas has Antonio Gates like upside, very happy the team did their homework & recognized his talent

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Talked to Julius Thomas at the Combine in Indy, great interview, smart kid, and funny - could jump over a Kia to dunk a basketball

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@ @Skotty_Payne J.A.G. just a guy re: Virgil Green

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@ @RedBlueRadio starting until he's replaced by McGahee or Brown, hell even Snelling a better starting option IMHO


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Okay, time for Julius Thomas notes - saw him at Shrine Game practices in Orlando earlier this year and he was the best TE at the game IMO

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I like what I've seen from #broncos DT/DE Jeremy Jarmon - very athletic, strong punch, quick off the ball, potential is there


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@ @dnel0680 Decker should be the number two receiver opposite Lloyd, but Royal not giving up w/out fight

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@ @RedBlueRadio Jeremiah Johnson has the ability to be a complementary back in this league and is making the most of his opportunity in camp

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@ @RedBlueRadio he's worth keeping an eye on in deep dynasty leagues, used to be ahead of Arian Foster on Texans depth chart

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@ @RedBlueRadio why not? he's looked good in training camp, very instinctive, quick initial burst, looks better than Moreno as RB & rec

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Decker has downfield skills too and is swifter than some think, deceptive speed for sure

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Decker makes a good target near the sideline and can 'dot the i' with his feet to stay inbounds, holds ball high and away from body

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Decker has good concentration and strong hands to gather passes when ball is getting swiped at, if u want 2 knock it away u better b serious

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Yes, Decker doesn't get amazing separation but he catches every contested pass thrown his way, uses frame to his advantage

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Eric Decker had a good day, could have had a better day, but ran a wrong route and was chewed out by Orton, caused pass to fall incomplete

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Royal had good timing with Quinn today, better than he did with Orton, still made plays on poorly thrown passes from 8

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@ @kndh19 Mays gets shot out of a cannon when he plays, but Irving much better athlete, Mays lousy in coverage too, Irving needs 10lbs muscle

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Eddie Royal looked smooth in and out of his breaks, drag routes, crossing routes he ran them all well today - still struggles on jerk routes

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I liked what I saw from Eddie Royal today... adjusted to poorly thrown pass from Orton in stride, gathered it and turned upfield, good play!

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on to the WRs... #broncos Brandon Lloyd is the real deal (again) guy just makes plays, diff catches seem routine for him, another grt day

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@ @Ssachs1986 you know it really could as Moreno is clearly best rec RB, McGahee feature, Moreno receiver, White GL/short yardage?

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@ @kndh19 julius thomas has Gates like upside but a lot to expect from a rookie, plus Foxy doesn't use TEs that much...35 rec max 4 JT in 2011

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reading multiple defenders too much for Moreno's processor as a runner, one on one in open field a diff story, good rec out of backfield

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@ @kndh19 based on 2 days of practice it would be Orton

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Moreno was getting separation on routes and did a good job of looking passes in, have no issues with him as a receiver...runner a diff story

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@ @AnthonyDay5 #broncos could add another QB or WR in free agency.

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@ @JoshLiskiewitz I really like the way DOOM is looking Josh, still lightning quick, good to have him back!

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Knowshon Moreno had a better day at #broncos camp - looked good catching passes in drills and scrimmage

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back to Jeremiah Johnson quickly, looked good on wheel routes out of the backfield, looks pass in, turns up quickly, good burst 2

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@ @kndh19 Miami trade is pretty much dead, on life support for sure, option to trade him all through camp/preseason

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@ @JoshLiskiewitz Doom looks strong, playing DE in a 4-3 is nothing new 4 him, better as a 3-4 OLB IMHO but he's smart/strong told me he's 260

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Lance Ball is a great guy but average instincts, gets swallowed up by defense, low center of gravity tho and good balance

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Minor too slow, too indecisive, and didn't press edge to create cutback lane on outside run, not going to happen for him...moving on...

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Loved Brandon Minor when he arrived at Michigan with Kevin Grady, however not standing out at #broncos training camp

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Johnson not overly fast but gets to top speed in a hurry and doesn't lose that speed when he changes direction, anticipation good, vision 2

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okay, on to the #broncos RBs Jeremiah Johnson with another strong day, quick initial burst, very decisive and explodes out of cuts

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Adam Weber looks decent, but stares down receivers too much and doesn't have the arm strength to throw across the field #broncos

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Brady Quinn looked more confident running the offense and continued his strong performance in #broncos training camp, making the most of it

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Miller got up and started to run with the football and the crowd at #dovevalley erupted in applause, a great play, great reactions/hands

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one of the low passes from #broncos QB Orton was picked off by Von Miller...a GREAT play where he scooped the ball with two hands

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@ @IDanov based on only practice it should be Orton, however, Tebow is a gamer and could impress in real gametime situations

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#broncos QB Orton still looked focused, throwing with zip although timing was a little off today, some passes low and behind WRs

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I liked Tebow's footwork today, very precise and he spun the ball better because of it, first part of throwing starts in your legs

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Tebow threaded the needle between two defenders but D'Andre Goodwin dropped the pass, good to see Tebow take the chance and not checkdown

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#broncos tebow had a decent day passing but did throw at least 1 pick, some WRs really let him down too

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#broncos Tebow looked better today, good but not great, seemed to be throwing naturally instead of aiming, took some chances downfield
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Old 07-29-2011, 08:16 PM   #2
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Don't remember if it was Lammey, but I read from someone Fells is being looked at as a FB ... also Leach and a couple of others (Karney?)
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Thomas, HOF Tight End...
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Old 07-29-2011, 08:29 PM   #4
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Good news about Thomas. Always nice to have some good news about late round guys even if most of it never really materializes on Sundays.
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Old 07-29-2011, 08:35 PM   #6
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Good to see he likes what he sees of Jarmon so far.
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I am really pulling for Thomas. I've been following him on twitter and he seems like a real good kid as well as a real good player.
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I like to think of him as this years Todd Devoe more so than Wesley Duke.
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Old 07-29-2011, 09:09 PM   #9
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I knew julius thomas would be the hype of camp, every former basketball player turned tight end is always the next antonio gates.
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here's an article I wrote for the NY Times about Julius Thomas when I was at the Scouting Combine:

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2...all-tight-end/
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Yeah, I think Thomas is going to be the one.

Rod Smith's #, Shannon Sharpe like comparisons via the mismatch, directly compared to Antonio Gates.
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Thanks for posting all of those. Good job, Lammey.
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here's an article I wrote for the NY Times about Julius Thomas when I was at the Scouting Combine:

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2...all-tight-end/
Having actually seen the guy play I'll defer to you. How has Robert Quinn looked though? It doesn't sound like Thomas has a lot to offer in the realm of blocking presently, so it'd be good to know we have a functional blocking TE.
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here's an article I wrote for the NY Times about Julius Thomas when I was at the Scouting Combine:

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2...all-tight-end/

Thanks for tweeting your observations from camp. Much appreciated!
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here's an article I wrote for the NY Times about Julius Thomas when I was at the Scouting Combine:

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Thanks Cecil -- much appreciated!
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Saturday camp report from Cecil Lammey (twitter)


Another detailed account of Broncos camp today from Cecil Lammey on his twitter account @cecillammey:

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Time for some #broncos training camp notes!!! QB position still the hot talk, Orton and Quinn with the starters, Tebow with the scout team

Tebow's getting a lot of reps with the 'end of the bench' guys but they continue to let him down with more dropped passes and wrong routes

Orton has eyes for Brandon Lloyd, a smart move...unless Decker is wide open deep. this happened today, ED not as trusted right now I guess

Orton did try to go deep but was picked off by Champ, pass hung in air allowing Bailey to easily pluck it out of the air

Champ picked off Orton at least twice today, crowd went wild every time he did

Brady Quinn really impressing out there, nice over the top release, strong arm, and DECISIVE...not afraid to challenge defense

Quinn did have a couple of passes hit the dirt, but looked good for the most part

I even saw Quinn go to his 2nd and 3rd reads QUICKLY, then decisively get rid of the football, I must say looks like a diff guy out there

Tebow is not getting many reps with the top guys like Lloyd, mostly throwing to 'end of bench guys'

Tebow did keep a play alive with his feet, reversed field then flicked ball to Moreno when defense sucked up on him, Orton couldn't do that

Tebow had plenty of passes hit the dirt low, or off the mark, also drops continue to plague guys like D'Andre Goodwin

There was even one pass where Tebow threw it and nobody (not even defense) was there...NO, he was not throwing it away

moving on to the RBs where Moreno showed he was 'stronger' by beating up tackling sled!

okay, back at it...#broncos RB coach Eric Studesville wasn't cheesing today, he was in coaching mode and working his guys good out there!

tackling sled set up and guys had to hit it then move to other shoulder and hit, Moreno moved it back quite a bit but nothing like LWhite

guys were hitting the sled and then White came up and DESTROYED it, basically lifting it off the ground as he ran thru, almost tumbled over

I did like the explosion Moreno showed on that drill but he failed to carry it over to the practice field.

first, more of the bad: Moreno was slipping when cutting, getting swallowed up by defense, and found little running room, slow to the hole

Elvis Dumervil str8 up punished Moreno with a big hit from pursuit down the line, Moreno stretched it but failed to find/see cutback

DOOM made him pay, Moreno's lack of size has him getting thrown around like a rag doll

One play Moreno got to the 2nd level, LBer (Mays?) just gave him a shoulder (no wrap) and 27 goes flying off his feet like a rocket

bad news for a RB when he can't keep his feet after a mere shoulder, how is he going to run through arm tackles

Moreno did have one big play, but even then his flaws came through...

he starts to strongside, bends back to inside, almost loses his feet but gets to 2nd level, 10+yds when...

Andre Goodman swoops in from OTHER SIDE of the field to trip him up with good lower body tackle

Moreno was supposed to be lighter and faster yet an old CB caught up with him from the other side of the field before he got 15yds deep

moving on.... Jeremiah Johnson was drawing applause from the crowd with his tough inside running, not the biggest but good leg drive.

as a receiver Jeremiah Johnson did a nice job of snatching passes out of the air, arms extended away from body

all the backs here have good/decent hands....well, except for LenDale

on to UDFA Mario Fannin, a good day! He OWNED in backs on backers drills, very important for a young RB, u must pass protect!!

size makes him difficult to get by and he shows good determination as a blocker

Fannin was wowing the crowd on an outside play where he lane was wide open, he turned on that speed and was GONE down the sidelines, nice!

Fannin got to the edge and then outran my guy Chevis Jackson in the secondary, now THAT is a big play guy...

Fannin looks good with a lane, however still struggles to find daylight when middle is clogged, happened at NFLPA game & #broncos camp

Fannin is not a quick twitch guy, but I did like his hop cuts today to get to the cutback lane, big man has deceptive speed

Lance Ball is a good guy, avg runner, but good guy..showed good balance today, running hard on draw play

BTW, speaking of running hard too often I see Fannin/JJ/Ball sprinting thru after whistle, Moreno goes to whistle then jogs...curious

Lance Ball can stretch it outside, stays patient, waits for blocks to develop, had a big run with good burst on sidelines

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Brandon Minor had a better day of practice today, showing good instincts and vision off tackle, hits hole hard

Okay, time for the BIG MAN LenDale White running hot, yes HOT for the #broncos - guy can stretch, dance, avoid trash at line of scrimmage

so nimble for a big back, it's fun to watch #motorboat - taking his job seriously now he seems to finally 'get it'

WATCHING LenDale he looks like a more mature runner, TALKING to LenDale he even sounds more mature - head is on his shoulders!

I talked to LenDale in HS #chatfieldchargersbaby - the day he was drafted - & on & off since then - never have I heard him so focused

Imagine a backfield (movie announcer voice) where Willis McGahee and LenDale White line up in the backfield at the same time...could happen!

really rooting for LenDale to make it, and have forgiven him for wiping his feet with the Terrible Towel years ago

Eddie Royal is back! Wow, has he really been impressive, he's working hard to be team's number 2 WR opposite Lloyd

Real quick on Lloyd, rinse/repeat what I've reported last 2 days, still making circus catches every day, can go up and sky for football

Brandon Lloyd's highwire act is sooo good even Flying Graysons say 'DAMN!' -- that's a #batman reference

okay, back to Royal - man is he playing sharp, every route except option/jerk guy is getting separation, making tough catches

Eddie showing good run after the catch ability too, speed on end arounds, wheels are there!

#broncos fans love Eric Decker, guy making plays in the end zone! back pylon, 2 feet down, it's E.D. at his best, good downfield/underneath

I really believe Decker can do it all, not much speed but guy knows how to use his frame to shield defenders away from ball

Decker making plays all over the field, did have a drop on crossing route though, may have been only drop by him on the day

Britt Davis made the notebook today! tough catch near sideline where he got lit up but held onto the football, do that more & he'll make it

Give it up for WR Jamel Hamler who was able to squirt under outstretched arm of defender for more RAC - good catch, good play!

Okay, one position left (I primarily watch skill position guys) the #broncos TEs coming up next - Quinn! JTsuperstar80 & Virgil too!

Richard Quinn making catches! yeah I know, I had to pick my jaw up off the ground too - but yeah he got open and caught a few

Quinn's game is about blocking...period, don't expect him to get more than 10 receptions on the season, TE targets belong to JTsuperstar80

before I get to JT, Virgil Green made some nice catches today but flaws that were there at Nevada still with him at #broncos camp

Virgil Green the good: saw him make crazy, twisting catch over the middle, arms way outstretched, str8 up #spiderman pose

too often though when it was on the numbers Virgil Green would let it slip through his fingers like Grand Moff Tarkin

I saw it on Nevada film, seeing it in person at #broncos training camp - Virgil Green will catch it wide open or high degree of difficulty

However, on the money hits the ground, plus he doesn't make contested catches with LB/S all over him

Plus..and this really bugs me...HE DOESN'T COME BACK TO THE FOOTBALL!! I feel like Charlie Brown when Lucy pulls the football away - AUUGGH!

passes are getting knocked away from Green, and that will continue until he learns how to drift a little, thinks too much about RAC

who's ready for some Julius Thomas is the man, I told you so, LOVE!?!

First off, I will admit my guy Julius Thomas did let me down one time (1time!) today, heard footsteps over middle and dropped the ball

okay, got that done, now on to the good stuff! Guy was getting open at will again, Safeties can't cover him, so silky smooth!

LBs can't cover Thomas, too fast for 'em! he's not even developed as a route runner and still getting open easily

JT made Darcel McBath look slow footed as he smoked him downfield over the deep middle seam - jtsuperstar80 is what we call him

Obviously JT is very raw but the tools are there, he's an effort blocker but needs to improve there in addition to learning route tree

one problem I do have with JT, seems winded, after plays he'll get back to huddle a little slower than others, like to see him pick it up

@TaiwanRyan1980 Brady Quinn looks completely different this year, decisive and most importantly -- confident
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Best camp report I've seen in several years. Cecil is lighting it up! This is not somebody that goes and watches three or four plays and then attempts to write a conclusion.

Really like what Cecil is doing here... thanks for bringing it strong!
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Best camp report I've seen in several years. Cecil is lighting it up! This is not somebody that goes and watches three or four plays and then attempts to write a conclusion.

Really like what Cecil is doing here... thanks for bringing it strong!
This! Absolutely love the tweets! Cecil is the man!
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This reminds me of a comment I made on Quinn when he came out of college. When he misses he misses low, rarely does he miss and have the ball sail on him. At ND it helped him keep his INTs way down.

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size makes him difficult to get by and he shows good determination as a blocker
We seem to want options at FB and Fannin played there the last half of the season for Auburn if I recall. I wouldn't be surprised if he sticks here as the FB. Could be a pretty amazing weapon at FB with his receiving and straight line speed.
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Best camp report I've seen in several years. Cecil is lighting it up! This is not somebody that goes and watches three or four plays and then attempts to write a conclusion.

Really like what Cecil is doing here... thanks for bringing it strong!
He is almost as good as Kahn!
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Sounds like the ballerina is going to lose the starting gig to Black Hillis.
Black Hillis can't catch though. I'm expecting at this point to see a pretty diverse mix of McGahee, Moreno, and White. Moreno will get a lot of 3rd down looks, White will do most of the short yardage and goal line work, and McGahee will be the 1st and 2nd down guy.

Wouldn't be surprised if Fannin winds up as our FB too. He'd cover a lot of White's duties as a receiver. Now there is a guy who could be Black Hillis. Exceptional speed for his size, strong, and he can actually catch. Plus he's a UDFA who was moved from HB to FB in college, like Hillis.
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Getting ready to head out to camp. Supposed to be 98 degrees out today.

This is the first time that I'm not looking forward to going to Broncos Camp. Hate that they only wear pads once a week now. Pussification of the NFL already dampening my spirits.
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