mCd's scrubs vs Shanny's scrubs - The Orange Mane

broncosteven · 07-26-2011, 12:03 PM

Which coach will leave behind more players who don't make it on to another pro-football squad after getting cut.

Shanny set the bar pretty high but mCd, in his infinite wisdom, made a trade for Voltron and he drafted a dude who was arrested for teh Rape so it could be a closer race than it appears.

OABB · 07-26-2011, 12:06 PM

my moneys on shanny.

snowspot66 · 07-26-2011, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by broncosteven

Which coach will leave behind more players who don't make it on to another pro-football squad after getting cut.

Shanny set the bar pretty high but mCd, in his infinite wisdom, made a trade for Voltron and he drafted a dude who was arrested for teh Rape so it could be a closer race than it appears.

Shanahan. Half the team never played again. That was pretty bad.

Rabb · 07-26-2011, 12:15 PM

if Christmas could give a beej, it would almost be as awesome as today since we have football back and there is finally news worth reading

you gotta' let that McD hate go brother, and just be happy about this...go Broncos

TheReverend · 07-26-2011, 12:25 PM

Depends on how many 4th stringers get cut...

broncosteven · 07-26-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rabb

if Christmas could give a beej, it would almost be as awesome as today since we have football back and there is finally news worth reading

you gotta' let that McD hate go brother, and just be happy about this...go Broncos

For as much heat as I took for sticking to my guns about looking at the glass half full I am going to get as much mileage I can.

BTW it is a valid question, look at the roster.

ColoradoDarin · 07-26-2011, 02:14 PM

broncosteven · 07-26-2011, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ColoradoDarin

"Sure Sam, he is only going to be competing for THIRD string we just wanted to bring the competition to ALL positions, even QB. Don't worry your our guy that we want to run Josh's offense....(insert evil laugh here)"

Taylor Potts (QB, Texas Tech)

The Rams have Sam Bradford starting, obviously, and veteran A.J. Feeley as the backup. Last year they had Thad Lewis as the third string quarterback, and many fans are hoping he can develop into a possible wildcat option, but that will take some time.

Pott will compete with Lewis for the third string job. The advantage he had over Lewis is that he is 6'5" and 222 pounds, and is more of a pure passer.

The short and quick passes he used at Texas Tech is particularly appealing, since the Rams run an offense that uses short and intermediate routes.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/7...-st-louis-rams

BroncoMan4ever · 07-26-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by snowspot66

Shanahan. Half the team never played again. That was pretty bad.

worse than that i think the only 1 who did was Dre Bly. not even half of his guys continued playing

TheReverend · 07-26-2011, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

worse than that i think the only 1 who did was Dre Bly. not even half of his guys continued playing

Mmm hmm... and how many of them were PS guys? How many were at the end of their career anyway?

It's like holding Buckhalter against McDaniels. It was a better signing than I expected it to be... but anyone think he's gonna play again?

Look at our roster and probably 20-40% of the names you won't even know:

http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster.html

Cut them, most won't play again, and we can have another adorable presser by Xanders praising how well he and Fox work together!

broncosteven · 07-26-2011, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Mmm hmm... and how many of them were PS guys? How many were at the end of their career anyway?

It's like holding Buckhalter against McDaniels. It was a better signing than I expected it to be... but anyone think he's gonna play again?

Look at our roster and probably 20-40% of the names you won't even know:

http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster.html

Cut them, most won't play again, and we can have another adorable presser by Xanders praising how well he and Fox work together!

Which was my point.

TheReverend · 07-26-2011, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by broncosteven

Which was my point.

I read ya loud and clear. Looks like plenty didn't though lol.

OABB · 07-26-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by broncosteven

Which was my point.

I understood this too, but my money's still on shanny.

at the very least it will be a fun thread when it happens.

TheReverend · 07-26-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OABB

I understood this too, but my money's still on shanny.

at the very least it will be a fun thread when it happens.

The deciding factor is whether Fox feels it's an important PR move to cut crap that can't play just to replace it with crap that can't play.

BroncoMan4ever · 07-26-2011, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Mmm hmm... and how many of them were PS guys? How many were at the end of their career anyway?

It's like holding Buckhalter against McDaniels. It was a better signing than I expected it to be... but anyone think he's gonna play again?

Look at our roster and probably 20-40% of the names you won't even know:

http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster.html

Cut them, most won't play again, and we can have another adorable presser by Xanders praising how well he and Fox work together!

i am ot arguing some were never going to play anyway or others were done. but when roughly 35 players that were released by a new regime are let go and only 1 of them finds work afterwards, there was a massive cluster**** on the team the year prior.

although looking back at that fact, Shanahan was doing an incredible coaching job with basically nothing on that team.

TheReverend · 07-26-2011, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

i am ot arguing some were never going to play anyway or others were done. but when roughly 35 players that were released by a new regime are let go and only 1 of them finds work afterwards, there was a massive cluster**** on the team the year prior.

although looking back at that fact, Shanahan was doing an incredible coaching job with basically nothing on that team.

Yeah, I'd totally agree if that were true.

But it's not true.

Not even ****ing close.

BroncoMan4ever · 07-26-2011, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Yeah, I'd totally agree if that were true.

But it's not true.

Not even ****ing close.

sorry i overestimated a bit. it was 29 players who were released or waived by McDaniels that were on the SHanahan roster the year prior.

of them only
Jamie Winborn - has played 8 games after release from Denver
Marquand Manuel - no longer in NFL
Niko Koutouvides - ST in Tampa
Dre Bly - no longer in NFL after 1 season with 49ers
Mike Leach - still LS in the league
Brett Kern - punting in Tennessee
Jack Williams - can't find much on him only played 1 game for Detroit in 2009 and is still on their roster
Joshua Bell - played in Green Bay for 4 games and then nothing

so of the 29 released or waived 8 of them played again. of the 8, 3 are no longer in the league, 3 are ST players in new cities, and 2 have had limited playing time after Denver in their new cities.

TheReverend · 07-26-2011, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

sorry i overestimated a bit. it was 29 players who were released or waived by McDaniels that were on the SHanahan roster the year prior.

of them only
Jamie Winborn - has played 8 games after release from Denver
Marquand Manuel - no longer in NFL
Niko Koutouvides - ST in Tampa
Dre Bly - no longer in NFL after 1 season with 49ers
Mike Leach - still LS in the league
Brett Kern - punting in Tennessee
Jack Williams - can't find much on him only played 1 game for Detroit in 2009 and is still on their roster
Joshua Bell - played in Green Bay for 4 games and then nothing

so of the 29 released or waived 8 of them played again. of the 8, 3 are no longer in the league, 3 are ST players in new cities, and 2 have had limited playing time after Denver in their new cities.

Go ahead and list the others.

I'll wait.

DBroncos4life · 07-26-2011, 04:38 PM

I would rather have the guys that are out of the NFL. We allowed less points with them when it was all said and done.

BroncoMan4ever · 07-26-2011, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Go ahead and list the others.

I'll wait.

WR Cliff Russell (released)
RB P.J. Pope (waived)
TE Chad Mustard (released)
RB Alex Haynes (released)
RB Anthony Alridge (released) Played 2009 on Washington's Practice Squad
DT Josh Shaw (released)
LB Jamie Winborn (released) Played in 2 games during 2009 season for Tennessee
DT Dewayne Robertson (released)
S Marquand Manuel (released) Played in 9 games starting 6 during 2009 for Detroit, injured reserve after game 9
LB Niko Koutouvides (released) Played in 16 gamed during 2009 for Tampa Bay
TE Nate Jackson (released) Signed on in 2009 with Cleveland for a short time and was subsequently cut
DE John Engelberger (released)
CB Dré Bly (released) Played in 16 games starting 6 during 2009 for San Francisco
TE/LS Mike Leach (released) Played in 16 games during 2009 for Arizona
RB Cory Boyd (waived)
QB Darrell Hackney (waived)
QB Jay Cutler (traded) Started 16 games during 2009 for Chicago
DE/OLB Tim Crowder (waived) played in 15 games starting 4 during 2009 for Tampa Bay
RB Selvin Young (waived)
S Herana-Daze Jones (released) Signed on in 2009 with New Orleans for a short time and was subsequently cut
TE Jeb Putzier (released)
C Kory Lichtensteiger (waived) Signed on with Minnesota for three games and was subsequently cut
WR Chad Jackson (waived)
DE Matthias Askew (waived) Signed on in 2009 with Detroit for a short time and was subsequently cut
DE Nic Clemons (waived)
P Brett Kern (waived) waived by Denver after playing in 6 games, was signed by Tennessee and played 10 games with the Titans
CB Jack Williams (waived) waived by Denver after playing in 7 games, was signed by Detroit and played in 1 game and was injured
CB Joshua Bell (waived/injured) Signed by Green Bay in Week 10, played in 4 games with the Packers
LB Boss Bailey
LB Louis Green

may not all have been starters but all were a part of SHanahan's final roster

ColoradoDarin · 07-26-2011, 07:20 PM

Lev Vyvanse · 07-26-2011, 07:32 PM

Just at a first glance. WTF are Cutler and Crowder doing on that list? Did you forget the point?

strafen · 07-26-2011, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by snowspot66

Shanahan. Half the team never played again. That was pretty bad.

Even then, those "scrubs" that never played again, never embarrassed the organization to a 4-12 record.
/end thread

TheChamp24 · 07-26-2011, 07:34 PM

Want to take a look at a lot of guys from McD that will be gone really fast?
Lance Ball
Correll Buckhalter
Jeff Byers
Stanley Daniels
Britt Davis
Mario Haggan
Steven Hauschka
Nate Jones
Chevis Jackson
Lonnie Paxton
Brady Quinn
Lee Robinson
Cassius Vaughn
David Velkune
LenDale White
Matt Willis
Kyle Orton

Not all of those guys will be gone this year, but a lot of them will be out of football like a lot of those Shanny guys people bring up. Yes, a lot of guys are out of football from that 2008 squad. That happens with teams, especially ones that suffer loads of injuries like we did that year. 7 RB's on the IR, remember that folks? That means we had to sign an extra 5 RB's out of our ass to field a team that year.

snowspot66 · 07-26-2011, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by strafen

Even then, those "scrubs" that never played again, never embarrassed the organization to a 4-12 record.
/end thread

Swing and a miss.

Of course they didn't. Shanahan was a vastly superior game day coach. But that's not the point of the thread.

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