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Old 07-24-2011, 07:12 AM   #1
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So, it's done. The negotiating teams for the players and owners have reached a new collective bargaining agreement, a player source tells me. It's over.

Players are flying to Washington to vote on it. But it will pass.

"It's done," one player source said. "We have an agreement. Now we just have to vote."

Finally, some definitive, good news.

this nightmare is over tomorrow. vote and press conference tomorrow, free agency wednesday, camp opens wed or fri.

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Old 07-24-2011, 07:27 AM   #2
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Isn't it officialy done when they actually vote?
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Old 07-24-2011, 07:29 AM   #3
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Where did it go? I seem to remember last season, and then the Super Bowl....They had a draft in April, players will be at Dove Valley in July, NFLX in August and real games in September.

Much ado about nothing and anyone who thought games would be missed to the tune of billions of dollars needs their head examined.
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Isn't it officialy done when they actually vote?
Yeah, and not to mention this little thing of "re-certification as a union", which is the only way to actually approve a Collective Bargaining Agreement.

And, the fact that the plaintiffs in the lawsuit against the NFL have to notify the judge in the case that they have dropped the lawsuit.

All that's gonna happen tomorrow is the player reps will vote to either accept or reject a "proposed CBA". This is far from a done deal.
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Old 07-24-2011, 09:33 AM   #7
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Where did it go? I seem to remember last season, and then the Super Bowl....They had a draft in April, players will be at Dove Valley in July, NFLX in August and real games in September.

Much ado about nothing and anyone who thought games would be missed to the tune of billions of dollars needs their head examined.
If were all being honest here your 100% correct. Some of the Orange Mane queens getting their panties in a bunch. One meaningless preseason game cancelled does not equal a full season lost.
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Old 07-24-2011, 09:42 AM   #8
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Where did it go? I seem to remember last season, and then the Super Bowl....They had a draft in April, players will be at Dove Valley in July, NFLX in August and real games in September.

Much ado about nothing and anyone who thought games would be missed to the tune of billions of dollars needs their head examined.
Agreed here. I know some people here are truly football 24/7 365, and that's great, but nothing of relevance has been missed, nor was it ever going to be missed. This was never worth getting worked up about. I always found that odd, the people who got so mad over this.

And no, the HOF Game is not relevant.
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If were all being honest here your 100% correct. Some of the Orange Mane queens getting their panties in a bunch. One meaningless preseason game cancelled does not equal a full season lost.
That's true but I did miss free agency in March. I also Missed OTA's. Basically I got none of the usual tidbits that help to tie me over until the games start up again.
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Kaylore, Montrose.... You gonna be providing training camp updates

SoCal.. You still going also?
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This is disrespectful to the owners, for the players to come up with an agreement they are willing to agree to and vote on it.

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Agreed here. I know some people here are truly football 24/7 365, and that's great, but nothing of relevance has been missed, nor was it ever going to be missed. This was never worth getting worked up about. I always found that odd, the people who got so mad over this.

And no, the HOF Game is not relevant.
The thing that we did miss was the natural flow of free agency. Its going to be a free-for-all. How that works out for or doesnt work out for the Broncos is up in the air at this point.

The Broncos, more than most teams, need to hit a home run or two.
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Kaylore, Montrose.... You gonna be providing training camp updates

SoCal.. You still going also?
No...the lockout made it impossible for me to go this year since I would have needed to give my boss at least about a month's worth of notice for a specific week I wanted to take off. Couldn't do that without knowing when camp would definitively start.
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No...the lockout made it impossible for me to go this year since I would have needed to give my boss at least about a month's worth of notice for a specific week I wanted to take off. Couldn't do that without knowing when camp would definitively start.
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The thing that we did miss was the natural flow of free agency. Its going to be a free-for-all. How that works out for or doesnt work out for the Broncos is up in the air at this point.

The Broncos, more than most teams, need to hit a home run or two.
It may allow the Broncos to dump a lot of players. There is potential for a lot of movement and for us to really remake our team.

It looks like we have a lot of dead money on the books this year. But Kyle Orton and Brian Dawkins have a lot of money on the cap right now as well. Restructure Dawk and deal or release Orton and you have freed up about $10m right there.

I also suspect they will be dealing with DJ Williams. I think it's 50/50 right now that he'll remain on the team. If they can restructure his contract he'll stick, if not they may look to trade him... I don't think he'll stay on this team at his current salary.

Von Miller is going to get about $30-35m, over 5 years with about half of that guranteed. Franklin and Moore about 12m over 4 years. So that will take up that $10m in a hurry. I don't see anyway we don't have a few more players that are cut from this team... some of them will be some guys we don't expect. DJ Williams is my darkhorse cut for that reason.
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It may allow the Broncos to dump a lot of players. There is potential for a lot of movement and for us to really remake our team.

It looks like we have a lot of dead money on the books this year. But Kyle Orton and Brian Dawkins have a lot of money on the cap right now as well. Restructure Dawk and deal or release Orton and you have freed up about $10m right there.

I also suspect they will be dealing with DJ Williams. I think it's 50/50 right now that he'll remain on the team. If they can restructure his contract he'll stick, if not they may look to trade him... I don't think he'll stay on this team at his current salary.

Von Miller is going to get about $30-35m, over 5 years with about half of that guranteed. Franklin and Moore about 12m over 4 years. So that will take up that $10m in a hurry. I don't see anyway we don't have a few more players that are cut from this team... some of them will be some guys we don't expect. DJ Williams is my darkhorse cut for that reason.
John fox was asked that exact question about DJ and he immediately shot it down
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John fox was asked that exact question about DJ and he immediately shot it down
Yeah...I don't think Fox is stupid enough to give away a premier WLB just to save like 2m or something. I think DJ's actual salary this year is only like 4.9m (cap number may be a bit higher like around 6), but I don't see what's problematic about either of those numbers. He's a top tier 4-3 WLB, so what's the problem? That's not exactly a massive salary. If they ask him to take a significant pay cut, I would hope he would tell the team to **** off and force them to release him. There's no basis for it. Go ahead and try it FO...we'll see who's laughing then when they won't have a single experienced player starting at LB.

I think they'll get most of their savings by trading Orton and also by either releasing Dawkins or having him take a big haircut. They can probably clear 10-11 million just with those two moves. A few other tweaks and they'll have some room to get Mebane and maybe 1 more decent player.

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John fox was asked that exact question about DJ and he immediately shot it down
John Fox was asked the question around draft time. Now that they can see where they are at in terms of the Salary Cap, anything and everything is on the table.

I know he is SoCal's boy, but I don't think he has done anything over the past four or five years to make the team think he is worth that kind of money. He isn't a premiere player, but he is paid like it.

Also, the money saved in the Orton and Dawkins 'deals' will be enough to sign our draft picks. We are currently about $1m under our cap (if you believe what Leggy and Schaefer say). The Broncos have the ability to 'borrow' up to $3m (I believe that is the number this first year) from next year's cap. They may decide to do that as there is some dead money on the cap this year.
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Yeah...I don't think Fox is stupid enough to give away a premier WLB just to save like 2m or something. I think DJ's actual salary this year is only like 4.9m (cap number may be a bit higher like around 6), but I don't see what's problematic about either of those numbers. He's a top tier 4-3 WLB, so what's the problem? That's not exactly a massive salary. If they ask him to take a significant pay cut, I would hope he would tell the team to **** off and force them to release him. There's no basis for it. Go ahead and try it FO...we'll see who's laughing then when they won't have a single experienced player starting at LB.

I think they'll get most of their savings by trading Orton and also by either releasing Dawkins or having him take a big haircut. They can probably clear 10-11 million just with those two moves. A few other tweaks and they'll have some room to get Mebane and maybe 1 more decent player.
I seem to remember that Fox uses LB's like DJ at all LB positions. Speed, speed, speed.
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Yeah...I don't think Fox is stupid enough to give away a premier WLB just to save like 2m or something. I think DJ's actual salary this year is only like 4.9m (cap number may be a bit higher like around 6), but I don't see what's problematic about either of those numbers. He's a top tier 4-3 WLB, so what's the problem? That's not exactly a massive salary. If they ask him to take a significant pay cut, I would hope he would tell the team to **** off and force them to release him. There's no basis for it. Go ahead and try it FO...we'll see who's laughing then when they won't have a single experienced player starting at LB.
i would humbly like to say i believe you're confusing premier with best we have...
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i would humbly like to say i believe you're confusing premier with best we have...
IMHO...I dont believe they are mutually exclusive terms. He's objectively a premier 4-3 WLB. The two years he played that position, he had outstanding seasons (2004, 2008 pre injury).

Anyway, as I've mentioned above, if they ask him to take a significant haircut, I hope he tells them to **** off and release him, instead. I don't think Fox is that stupid, though.
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IMHO...I dont believe they are mutually exclusive terms. He's objectively a premier 4-3 WLB. The two years he played that position, he had outstanding seasons (2004, 2008 pre injury).

Anyway, as I've mentioned above, if they ask him to take a significant haircut, I hope he tells them to **** off and release him, instead. I don't think Fox is that stupid, though.
just because he is head and shoulders above any of our other LBs doesn't make him premier at his position, just that he's better than his teammates, which isn't saying much considering our talent pool on defense over the years...

i like DJ, and i really hope he remains, but he's never been voted to any pro bowls or even sniffed an all pro team to my knowledge...his stats certainly don't show of a premier talent either...i am just being honest, he hasn't shown to be a premier WLB to this point but i believe he still can be one...there is time left, he is a great athlete...
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Sorry bud, I'm not trying to take digs at DJ. I think WLB is his most natural position and I think he can be above average at the position. Maybe he gets a year to see how he can be integrated in Fox's style of defense.

I just see a lot of roster trimming coming. They are going to add a lot of players over the next couple of weeks. That money (or available cap space rather) has to come from somewhere.

DJ isn't the problem. He is talented, but is he talented enough to overcome the fact that they need $ to pay free agents?
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Where did it go? I seem to remember last season, and then the Super Bowl....They had a draft in April, players will be at Dove Valley in July, NFLX in August and real games in September.

Much ado about nothing and anyone who thought games would be missed to the tune of billions of dollars needs their head examined.
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