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Old 07-22-2011, 05:44 AM   #1
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Brian Dawkins willing to take paycut to stay in Denver


Denver Broncos veteran safety Brian Dawkins(notes) wants to ensure that he remains with the AFC West club.


So, he's willing to accept a paycut if that's what it takes to do so.


The eight-time Pro Bowl selection has earned nearly $9 million during the past two seasons after signing with the Broncos following a lengthy tenure with the Philadelphia Eagles.


According to the Denver Post, Dawkins is due a $6 million base salary this year because he triggered an escalator clause that boosted his salary from $2.24 million. Per the report, the Broncos want to reduce that salary by removing the majority of his $3.76 million escalator.


"When I signed this deal I knew what it was," Dawkins told the Post. "It was basically a two-year deal. I knew after a couple years there was a balloon (mechanism) and we most likely would have to restructure. That's no big deal to me."


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...stay_in_denver

I wish more players were this reasonable

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Old 07-22-2011, 06:45 AM   #2
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I like Dawkins, but I'm surprised he wouldn't want to hit the market...
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Old 07-22-2011, 07:17 AM   #3
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Incorrect thread title.

He clearly said he'd be willing to "restructure", NOT take a paycut. There's a big difference and I'd expect everyone to know that by now.
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I wish more players were this reasonable
It's a matter of intelligence, really. It's difficult to be reasonable if you lack the basic ability to reason.
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As Beantown says, restructure and pay cut isn't the same thing. He might be willing to give up a bonus or that "balloon mechanism", but that doesn't mean he doesn't want a salary similar to what he's gotten the first two years.

At times, especially the first year, I have loved watching Dawkins on the team. However, at times last year, he looked like he was missing plays he should have made.

That said, if they can reach agreement, I think his intensity and veteran leadership is worth having on the team. I'd rather keep him than lose him.
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and by restructuring he is going to get less pay.
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nothing personal, but he needs to restructure and take a pay cut....
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I don't think the Broncos want to restructure. That's just another way to move the money around like convert his salary to a SB to spread the impact over several year. At this stage in his career I don't think Denver will want to do a restructure. They want to pay his less becuase he's one foot in the grave. Unless Dawk gets a offer from a playoff team he most likely will take a haircut (pay cut)
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As Beantown says, restructure and pay cut isn't the same thing. He might be willing to give up a bonus or that "balloon mechanism", but that doesn't mean he doesn't want a salary similar to what he's gotten the first two years.

At times, especially the first year, I have loved watching Dawkins on the team. However, at times last year, he looked like he was missing plays he should have made.

That said, if they can reach agreement, I think his intensity and veteran leadership is worth having on the team. I'd rather keep him than lose him.
I like him for his intensity and leadership as well. I think he is going to earn his salary if he keeps the locker room focused and going in the right direction. It will also be nice to have him mentor Moore and Carter for their first year in the league.
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I like Dawkins, but I'm surprised he wouldn't want to hit the market...

I don't think he'd get as much as you think. He'll probably get the same if not more by staying in Denver than on the open market, and he doesn't have the added hassle of having to uproot his family, etc.
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Yahoo reporting on a Post article, and putting their own spin on it.

Same crap Rotoworld does.

Denver Post link for the real source?
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Yahoo reporting on a Post article, and putting their own spin on it.

Same crap Rotoworld does.

Denver Post link for the real source?

Rotoworld always links to their primary source.

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_18522715?source=rss
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Rotoworld is also never a primary source of information.
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I'm glad this discussion is starting, as it's certainly something that will have to be dealt with. The guy is nowhere near worth what he's being paid, and restructure or not, he's going to have to take a pay cut to some degree.

Obviously everybody loves Dawkins, but there were times last year when he just played terrible and looked slow and old. If he's not going to accept a lower salary they should cut him.
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It's a paycut. Just because he used the word "restructure" doesn't mean it's not a pay cut.

The reason it's "restructure" is because it will no longer have the "balloon mechanism" as part of its structure. That part of the structure will be gone.
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I don't think he'd get as much as you think. He'll probably get the same if not more by staying in Denver than on the open market, and he doesn't have the added hassle of having to uproot his family, etc.
I was thinking more along the lines of he'd want to go to a sure fire contender to end his career.
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I like Dawkins, but I'm surprised he wouldn't want to hit the market...
I'm not. The guy really doesn't have much value at this point. Being a 37 year old safety has that effect.
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I was thinking more along the lines of he'd want to go to a sure fire contender to end his career.
He'd only be a backup on any such team...
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I'm not. The guy really doesn't have much value at this point. Being a 37 year old safety has that effect.
But he can still play and the dude loves to win. A good veteran team that needs depth at safety would be perfect for him.
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He'd only be a backup on any such team...
People get hurt. And he might be a back up in Denver if they decide to go with the young guys. I think he knows he'd be getting more in Denver even if he restructures. He can say that he expected that 3rd year to be restructured all he wants, but wasn't that 3rd year the reason he decided to leave Philadelphia?
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Old 07-23-2011, 10:42 PM   #22
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We have a lot of young players at safety and having Dawkins back would be like having a coach on the field.

That said, he will be 38 years old this year, which is ancient for a safety.

If he comes back, it will have to be for about half of the $6 million he is in line to be paid.

I would not mind playing the younger players and letting Dawkins go.

He missed 5 games last year and looked to be slowing down a lot last year.

Let's roll with Renaldo Hill, Darcel McBath, David Bruton, and the rookies Rahim Moore and Quinton Carter.
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I would not mind playing the younger players and letting Dawkins go.

He missed 5 games last year and looked to be slowing down a lot last year.

Let's roll with Renaldo Hill, Darcel McBath, David Bruton, and the rookies Rahim Moore and Quinton Carter.
Pretty much how I feel as well. I would not be the least bit upset to see him remain on the team if his new salary is significantly lower, however.
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If I knew he would play at least 14 games this year and play for $3 million, I would say go for it.

But, I get the feeling this is the year he breaks down and is not able to finish the season.
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I would not mind playing the younger players and letting Dawkins go.

He missed 5 games last year and looked to be slowing down a lot last year.

Let's roll with Renaldo Hill, Darcel McBath, David Bruton, and the rookies Rahim Moore and Quinton Carter.
Of course everybody loves his intensity and leadership but that alone doesn't get you a roster spot. You can't tell these young guys that who ever performs the best plays the most and then turn around and keep a player who isn't playing the best and say we like his leadership. I mentioned on a different post that the NFL today is very different then it was say 40 years ago. Younger players really needed the veteran players to help teach them. Even though there were good coaches, many of them were not previous players and their message didn't carry as much weight because of that. Now day, almost all these position coaches and head coaches were players previously and they can teach these young kids the right way to play, give them leadership, and without taking that roster spot. I think there is a reason why we drafted these 2 young safeties and it wasn't too long ago that we drafted Bruton and McBath. If I'm the GM, I tell Dawkins, we'd love to have you back, at a reduced price but you have to prove during camp and preseason you can hold that spot. If not, you're cut. That's the NFL and Dawkins knows it. The game passes everybody by at some point. There is a reason why you don't see many 38 year old players in the NFL. It's not golf.
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