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Old 07-21-2011, 09:42 PM   #1
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There's a big difference. From what I understand, the league didn't approve the new CBA, they approved the settlement terms in the lawsuit. They can't approve a new CBA until the union re-certify's.

Also, the man you need to keep an eye on is attorney Jeff Kessler. PFT has been following him closely. He apparently is trying to bog things down so the whole thing goes nuclear and he can win a piece of the potentially billion dollar settlement if the suit goes through.

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At the top of the hour on ESPN, Sal Paolantonio reiterated what we’ve been saying for weeks: “We keep hearing from a lot of owners here that . . . Jeffrey Kessler is holding up this deal.”

Kessler apparently is holding up the deal in one way by ignoring all modern means of communication to insist on sending out union cards in the mail for players to sign and return.
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Old 07-21-2011, 09:46 PM   #2
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Well...that's one narrative that's been presented but the other one is that its just a power play by the owners approving an agreement (and acting as if there is an agreement PR wise) containing terms that the other side hasn't agreed upon yet in order to pressure them to agree to these last few unresolved details.

Both of these things might be at play, but it does seem clear that the union isn't going to simply vote on and accept what the owners have characterized as the "agreement". This is probably going to take another week (or two if you believe Chester Pitts), so they are probably going to lose the first full week of preseason games in addition to the now cancelled HOF game.
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Apparently the players are voting tomorrow right? And they said upon agreement they will recertify and sign union cards at the training facilities. I think this gets done.
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I'm beginning to have my doubts that there will even be a season.
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I'm beginning to have my doubts that there will even be a season.
My guess is youre overreacting
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Wont look good as a PR move for the players but this is much different than politics. Once this goes through in the next 2 weeks and season ticket holders get a refund on a ****ty preseason game, fans will rejoice and be ready for fall football. It won't quite be like SEC football and the sheer greatness that dominates all other types of football, but NFL will have to do. Signed, MacGruber.
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The man, the myth, the legend.

Apparently tried to be a Governor this year. Guess he needs them monies for them power.
If this man has anything to do with the deal not going through, the NFL(players and owners) deserve not a single cent from my pocket.
Bureaucratic manipulations at this point are a blatant slap in the face to the people who actually reimburse the NFL coffers every year, emotionally invested fans.
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There's a big difference. From what I understand, the league didn't approve the new CBA, they approved the settlement terms in the lawsuit. They can't approve a new CBA until the union re-certify's.

Also, the man you need to keep an eye on is attorney Jeff Kessler. PFT has been following him closely. He apparently is trying to bog things down so the whole thing goes nuclear and he can win a piece of the potentially billion dollar settlement if the suit goes through.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...n-be-done-now/
Yea, I had a bit of an argument with someone over this (not here, elsewhere). It wasn't helped by the fact that ESPN had splattered all over their banners "Owners approve CBA" and things like that and kept saying the CBA was voted on.

Instead, as I understand it, they voted on terms of a settlement for the antitrust and other lawsuits. These terms would form the backbone of the CBA and cover most of the key parts of the CBA that the parties needed to negotiated.
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Well...that's one narrative that's been presented but the other one is that its just a power play by the owners approving an agreement (and acting as if there is an agreement PR wise) containing terms that the other side hasn't agreed upon yet in order to pressure them to agree to these last few unresolved details.

Both of these things might be at play, but it does seem clear that the union isn't going to simply vote on and accept what the owners have characterized as the "agreement". This is probably going to take another week (or two if you believe Chester Pitts), so they are probably going to lose the first full week of preseason games in addition to the now cancelled HOF game.
How could the other side see the agreement? It was negotiated and approved by their man (Smith), wouldn't it have been a conflict (or shown the NFLPA hasn't decertified) if Smith shared everything?

I'm with TJ, I get the growing doubt that there will not be a season. Much like in the NHL when Gretzky and Mario created 24 hours of good will that the season would be saved....no hockey then either.
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I see this as a power play by the owners to make the players look bad and strong arm them into agreeing to a deal. The flip side, again that PFT pointed out, is the issue was the supplemental revenue sharing which was not heavily discussed in negotiations and in the current incarnation of the deal heavily favors the owners. The problem, as Mike Florio points out, is this was brought up by the owners and the players literally didn't care and elected to ignore the issue. So of course the owners said "fine, we got this" and made something favorable to them.

A deal can still get done when the players meet and vote. They only need 50% +1.
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Weren't the owners prepared for an extended lockout?
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Weren't the owners prepared for an extended lockout?
I believe one of the court cases has put a hold on the TV revenue the owners negotiated that would come in even with a lockout or strike. So, the revenue stream the owners thought they would get even with no games being played is, at least based on the current ruling, cannot be distributed to the owners.
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The problem seems to be that, because the owners previously have pulled multiple fast ones, the players are understandably leery as the process of striking a decade-long labor deal reaches conclusion. And with NFLPA* leadership focused on digesting the final proposal and making a good decision about how to proceed, it appears that NFLPA* leadership didn’t have the time or the inclination to herd the many cats who took to Twitter and ESPN and NFL Network to send conflicting messages about what comes next.

Part of the problem is that there are conflicting interests among the rank and file. Plenty of guys (especially those without contracts) want to get this done. And plenty of guys who possibly would face losing their starting jobs and/or roster spots if rookies and/or free agents have enough time during training camp to leapfrog the incumbent lineup would like to slow it down for a couple of weeks.
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Doesn't look like we will here anything today:
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RT @AlbertBreer: NFLPA statement: "Player leadership is discussing the most recent written proposal with the NFL, which includes a settlement agreement deal terms and the right process for addressing recertification. There will not be any further NFLPA statements today out of respect for the Kraft family while they mourn the loss of Myra Kraft."
RT @AlbertBreer: That statement was attributed to NFLPA president Kevin Mawae.
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I see this as a power play by the owners
This is just silly rhetoric at this point. It's not a "power play"; it's an attempt to get a deal in place in time to have the full season take place.

The players were dragging their feet, or just too dumb to get things together, so the owners took the initiative to ratify a deal.

There is no time left for power plays or maneuvering for leverage.
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This is just silly rhetoric at this point. It's not a "power play"; it's an attempt to get a deal in place in time to have the full season take place.

The players were dragging their feet, or just too dumb to get things together, so the owners took the initiative to ratify a deal.

There is no time left for power plays or maneuvering for leverage.
I dont think the two were mutually exclusive. This is a total power play. Half the twittersphere thought football was back on as of 7pm est yesterday because of how they portrayed it to the media.

What annoys me about the players is their apparent lack of urgency here.
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It includes all the main points and framework of the future "CBA"
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It includes all the main points and framework of the future "CBA"
Which makes the argument of whether or not the voters approved a new CBA or settlement, mostly semantics.
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Which makes the argument of whether or not the voters approved a new CBA or settlement, mostly semantics.
To be fair, this whole ****ing thing is just semantics now and just downright stupid
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