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Old 07-20-2011, 07:04 AM   #1
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Default Defense FA/CFA needs

Here's were we stand..................................

DE:
Ayers, Robert: 6-3/274 25-3yrs
Beal, Jeremy: 6-2/262 23-R
Dumervil, Elvis: 5-11/248 27-6
Hunter, Jason: 6-4/271 27-6
Veikune, David: 6-2/257 25-3
DT:
Leonard, Louis: 6-4/325 27-5
McBean, Ryan: 6-5/297 27-4
Thomas, Marcus: 6-3/316 25-5
Unrein, Mitch: 6-4/300 24-1
Vickerson, Kevin: 6-5/321 28-6
Whitlock, Colby: 6-2/302 CFA

LB:
Haggan, Mario: SLB 6-3/267 31-9
Miller, Von: SLB 6-3/246 22-R
Robinson, Lee: SLB 6-2/256 24-2
Douglas, Dominic: LB 6-1/240 24-2
Irving, Nate: LB 6-1/240 23-R
Kelley, Braxton: LB 6-0/242 24-3
Mohamed, Mike: LB 6-3/239 23-R
Bellore, Nick: MLB 6-1/245 CFA
Larsen, Spencer: MLB 6-2/243 27-4
Mays, Joe: MLB 5-11/246 26-4
Mayo, Deron : WLB 5-11/220 CFA
Williams, DJ: WLB 6-1/242 29-8
Woodyard, Wesley: WLB 6-0/222 24-4

DB:
Bailey, Champ: CB 6-0/192 33 -13
Bing, Brandon : CB 5-11/181 CFA
Cox, Perrish: CB 6-0/198 24-2
Goodman, Andre: CB 5-10/184 32-10
Rogers, James: CB 6-0/182 CFA
Vaughn, Cassius: CB 5-11/195 23-2
Harris, Chris: DB 5-9/194 CFA
Jackson, Chevis: DB 5-11/193 25-4
Jones, Nate : DB 5-10/185 29-8
Thompson, Syd'Quan: DB 5-9/191 24-2
Bruton, David: S 6-2/211 23-3
Carter, Quinton: S 6-1/208 23-R
Dawkins, Brian: SS 6-0/210 37-16
Hill, Renaldo: FS 5-11/205 32-11
McBath, Darcel: S 6-1/198 25-3
McCarthy, Kyle: S 6-1/210 24 -2
Moore, Rahim: FS 6-0/202 21-R
Polk, Nick: S 5-11/218 24-1

*Edit: CFAs added

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Old 07-20-2011, 08:33 AM   #2
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A couple more behemoths in the middle should do the trick.
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Old 07-20-2011, 08:35 AM   #3
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I really want to see what Louis Leonard can do for us. Maybe he's a hidden gem.
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Old 07-20-2011, 08:47 AM   #4
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Just looking at our current DL roster gives me a violent diarrhea cramp.
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Old 07-20-2011, 10:55 AM   #5
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from the CFA give me John Clay and Mark Herzlich. Clay gives us the flexibility to say no to overpaying for a veteran FA RB. and i just really always liked Herzlich.
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Old 07-21-2011, 06:29 PM   #6
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As soon as the doors open this off-season, the Broncos should cut these six. All are worse than an average CFA, UFL player or wayside FA and have no shot of making the roster. They'll only take what limited training time is available this pre-season away from guys that might be able to help the team. If you notice how many were starters for McD, it's not hating, they're just lousy.
DT McBean, Ryan: 6-5/297 27-4
SLB Haggan, Mario: 6-3/267 31-9
MLB Mays, Joe: 5-11/246 26-4
CB Cox, Perrish: 6-0/198 24-2
S McBath, Darcel: 6-1/198 25-3
S Polk, Nick: 5-11/218 24-1

These guys are back-up players that'll be in tough competition for roster/P-Squad spots against each other and C/FAs.
DE Veikune, David: 6-2/257 25-3
DT Leonard, Louis: 6-4/325 27-5
SLB Robinson, Lee: 6-2/256 24-2
LB Douglas, Dominic: 6-1/240 24-2
LB Kelley, Braxton: 6-0/242 24-3
LB Mohamed, Mike: 6-3/239 23-R
DB Jackson, Chevis: 5-11/193 25-4
DB Jones, Nate: 5-10/185 29-8
DB Thompson, Syd'Quan: 5-9/191 24-2
S Bruton, David: 6-2/211 23-3
SS Dawkins, Brian: 6-0/210 37-16

Which leaves the Broncos with this core defense to add six or seven players to, including some from directly above that beat out competition. Some might balk at Dawkins listed above, not below, but IMO his career is over and would help the team the most by taking a coaching job, yet be available for a mid-season signing if injuries warrant it.
DE:
Ayers, Robert: 6-3/274 25-3yrs
Beal, Jeremy: 6-2/262 23-R
Dumervil, Elvis: 5-11/248 27-6
Hunter, Jason: 6-4/271 27-6
DT:
Thomas, Marcus: 6-3/316 25-5
Unrein, Mitch: 6-4/300 24-1
Vickerson, Kevin: 6-5/321 28-6

LB:
Miller, Von: SLB 6-3/246 22-R
Irving, Nate: LB 6-1/240 23-R
Larsen, Spencer: MLB 6-2/243 27-4
Williams, DJ: WLB 6-1/242 29-8
Woodyard, Wesley: WLB 6-0/222 24-4

DB:
Bailey, Champ: CB 6-0/192 33 -13
Goodman, Andre: CB 5-10/184 32-10
Vaughn, Cassius: CB 5-11/195 23-2
Carter, Quinton: S 6-1/208 23-R
Hill, Renaldo: FS 5-11/205 32-11
McCarthy, Kyle: S 6-1/210 24-2
Moore, Rahim: FS 6-0/202 21-R

*edit: Moved Squid and Chevis into the second tier competition with Jones at DB. Moved McCarthy to likely core Defense.

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Old 07-21-2011, 08:30 PM   #7
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DE:
Ayers, Robert: 6-3/274 25-3yrs
Beal, Jeremy: 6-2/262 23-R
Dumervil, Elvis: 5-11/248 27-6
Hunter, Jason: 6-4/271 27-6

DT:

McBean, Ryan: 6-5/297 27-4
Thomas, Marcus: 6-3/316 25-5
Vickerson, Kevin: 6-5/321 28-6

LB:

Miller, Von: SLB 6-3/246 22-R
Irving, Nate: MLB 6-1/240 23-R
Mohamed, Mike: LB 6-3/239 23-R
Mays, Joe: MLB 5-11/246 26-4
Williams, DJ: WLB 6-1/242 29-8
Woodyard, Wesley: WLB 6-0/222 24-4

DB:
Bailey, Champ: CB 6-0/192 33 -13
Cox, Perrish: CB 6-0/198 24-2
Goodman, Andre: CB 5-10/184 32-10
Thompson, Syd'Quan: DB 5-9/191 24-2
Bruton, David: S 6-2/211 23-3
Carter, Quinton: S 6-1/208 23-R
Dawkins, Brian: SS 6-0/210 37-16
Hill, Renaldo: FS 5-11/205 32-11
McBath, Darcel: S 6-1/198 25-3
Moore, Rahim: FS 6-0/202 21-R




With the additions from the draft, I feel like we have the potential for developing a good LB corps. One thing I'm curious about is seeing DJ get into athletic shape again--with the past 3 or 4 years of playing in the middle, he's gotten quite a bit heavier from the looks of it. I'm hoping he can slim down and make use of the athleticism that allows him to be a stellar WILL.

I think that Beal can give us another Ayers type player on the line. He's really a steal in my mind. I expect him to play the run pretty well, and potentially surprise with his ability to rush the passer. I'm not sure who stays between Haggan and Hunter...neither are the quality of player you want to see on the field with any regularity.

Secondary looks stoked at the safety positions. Not sure why you had McBath getting cut outright. I think he gets a good look in camp, potentially to be our starting SS. Bruton stays because he's key on ST, Carter and Moore for the obvious reasons. Dawkins looks like he's staying, and I'm not sure what'll happen with Hill--he was important in our previous defenses for the intangibles, but if McBath can step it up this year, I can see Hill being let go to allow the younger guys to develop.

DT is a cluster, obviously. I have no idea, but I think Thomas comes back, along with Bannan (hopefully). Thomas, Bannan, Vickerson, and Leonard?
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Old 07-21-2011, 10:13 PM   #8
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As soon as the doors open this off-season, the Broncos should cut these six. All are worse than an average CFA, UFL player or wayside FA and have no shot of making the roster. They'll only take what limited training time is available this pre-season away from guys that might be able to help the team. If you notice how many were starters for McD, it's not hating, they're just lousy.
DT McBean, Ryan: 6-5/297 27-4
SLB Haggan, Mario: 6-3/267 31-9
MLB Mays, Joe: 5-11/246 26-4
CB Cox, Perrish: 6-0/198 24-2
DB Thompson, Syd'Quan: 5-9/191 24-2
S McBath, Darcel: 6-1/198 25-3
S Polk, Nick: 5-11/218 24-1
With the exception of Nick Polk and Mario Haggan, all of these selections are very bizarre/idiotic. Why would we cut Thompson or Cox and not Nate Jones? Cox has the potential to be a solid starter if he doesn't go to prison, and Thompson will be in a better position to excel in the new defensive zone setup. Mays is the front runner to start at MLB and McBean plays DT. Who cares what other teams he might not make, we need every possible NFL DT we can get right now. As for McBath, he's a very talented player and if he stays healthy I expect him to earn the starting spot. Really weird opinions, man.
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Looking at the DE's and the DT's roster, makes me wanna cry.
Man, we need help there sooo bad!
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Old 07-21-2011, 11:08 PM   #10
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Why would you want to cut McBean he's young, has a lot of potential, and better fit for the 4-3?
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Old 07-22-2011, 03:01 AM   #11
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As soon as the doors open this off-season, the Broncos should cut these six. All are worse than an average CFA, UFL player or wayside FA and have no shot of making the roster. They'll only take what limited training time is available this pre-season away from guys that might be able to help the team. If you notice how many were starters for McD, it's not hating, they're just lousy.
DT McBean, Ryan: 6-5/297 27-4
SLB Haggan, Mario: 6-3/267 31-9
MLB Mays, Joe: 5-11/246 26-4
CB Cox, Perrish: 6-0/198 24-2
DB Thompson, Syd'Quan: 5-9/191 24-2
S McBath, Darcel: 6-1/198 25-3
S Polk, Nick: 5-11/218 24-1
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Old 07-22-2011, 03:08 AM   #12
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Why would you want to cut McBean he's young, has a lot of potential, and better fit for the 4-3?
Isn't McFacemask going to be a free agent in most CBA scenarios?
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Old 07-22-2011, 01:39 PM   #13
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With 7-of-9 DB spots likely filled.........
DB:
Bailey, Champ: CB 6-0/192 33 -13
Goodman, Andre: CB 5-10/184 32-10
Vaughn, Cassius: CB 5-11/195 23-2
Carter, Quinton: S 6-1/208 23-R
Hill, Renaldo: FS 5-11/205 32-11
McCarthy, Kyle: S 6-1/210 24-2
Moore, Rahim: FS 6-0/202 21-R

..... I thought I'd speculate who else makes it and the depth chart. Moving to a Zone-heavy defense, I'd speculate whichever FS (Hill and Moore) isn't starting to compete with whoever becomes our 4th CB, at the Nickle back position. Chevis is most likely now, but we may find a better C/FA. The last DB spot goes to Bruton, the special teams ace and backup at both S positions. We're likely to also carry DBs on the P-Squad and Dawkins if he accepts a coaching job.
CB 1&2: Champ, Goodman
CB 3&4: Vaughn, ?CB
NB: Hill, ?CB/Vaughn
FS: Moore, Hill, McC/Bruton
S: Carter, McCarthy, Bruton

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Are you predicting the most unlikely scenario or something?
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dude seriously...

how did our DL get this bad...
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I don't really understand all of the gripes about the DL. I understand the DT position is looking terrible, but I don't really think our DL as a whole is any worse this year than it has been the past three or four years. Honestly I am hoping/believing that the addition of Ayers at DE along with a healthy return of Dumervil will make this the best DL we've had the past several years.

If Denver signs some DTs, I really believe Fox will be able to get the unit performing at a higher level. Yeah, I know, the prettiest pile of shiit is still a pile of shiit, but at least it's something. What's the worst thing that could happen, we're as bad there as we were last year or the year before?
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I don't really understand all of the gripes about the DL. I understand the DT position is looking terrible, but I don't really think our DL as a whole is any worse this year than it has been the past three or four years.
Ayers hasn't proven he can play DE anymore than he's shown he can be an impact at OLB in a 3-4...not saying he won't do well, but thats more of a hope than a certainty...

Doom is a pass rusher almost exclusively...he's solidly undersized to play DE and especially full time...

and the two names i've mentioned are sadly the best we have...

DT goes without saying...
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I hear you. I guess I'm just resigned to the fact that the only way they could make it worse than it has been would be with a one or two-man front. I'm going to wait and see what they do in FA before I decide just how good or bad it will be, but at this point I would be surprised if our team does not have a better run defense than last year, regardless of whatever garbage we have playing DT.

A Cofield or Mebane signing would make it look a hell of a lot better in a hurry.
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With a different defensive scheme, some of those players may turn out alright. We'll find out if it was the players themselves, or the scheme. Hopefully, the days of "read and react" are over...
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Why would you want to cut McBean he's young, has a lot of potential, and better fit for the 4-3?
I'm with you here. I don't understand when we think Marcus Thomas will actually become a good player either. I hope that if they are making Vickerson drop weight, they will do the same with Thomas so he can find his quick feet again. He's tried to gain weight, but obviously didn't gain strength or leverage in the process. Just slim him down and see if he can be a dynamic one gap penetrator like he was in college. He will never be a run-stuffing NT type, he's tried that already.
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...I hope that if they are making Vickerson drop weight, they will do the same with Thomas so he can find his quick feet again. He's tried to gain weight, but obviously didn't gain strength or leverage in the process. Just slim him down and see if he can be a dynamic one gap penetrator like he was in college....
Anyone know if Fox will be playing two DTs, or NT/UT?
MThomas was an ideal UT that didn't look nearly as good once he was asked to put on 30lbs (looked +330lbs last year) and eat blockers. The experience might have helped, though, and he could be a more-rounded DT now like Vickerson, but with that extra step. Mitch Unrein (standout 3-4 DE from Wyoming) could surprise this pre-season if Fox plays two DTs, but I'm not sure if Bannan has quick enough feet like Thomas and Vickerson. Would be a good short-yardage sub though.
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McBean is horrible and really not an NFL player. Not on a good team anyway. DT is obviously a problem, but I think so is LB depth. Miller, Williams, Irving, and Muhammed I think are keepers, but the rest, I am not sold on. Haggans is a better fit in a 3-4 defense and Mays and Larsen are only ST guys IMO. The rest are just camp bodies. The CB spot is also a question and that is even if Cox can play.

Hill and Jones should be gone for sure. Both do very little positive on the field. Goodman is another I think is shaky.
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I think they have to keep Goodman for experience and depth, regardless of whether or not they see him starting. With the way FA is looking I don't think the team can afford to go and start creating new holes to fill by getting rid of players like him. Hill and Jones should almost certainly be gone if everyone else pans out.
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