Broncos' Chances Possibly Better After Lockout - The Orange Mane

epicSocialism4tw · 07-19-2011, 08:13 PM

This upcoming season could be helter skelter for several weeks, leading to a bunch of inconsistent results for teams across the league. Teams with a veteran core of successful players (Pats, Steelers, Colts, etc) are at a bit of an advantage, because their core pieces can get in there and take advantage of teams who are still getting up to speed in terms of the playbook and the integration of new players. Most everyone else could struggle at times.

That would level the playing field a little for a young Broncos team with a new coach, a new QB, and a new system on both sides of the ball, allowing the Broncos to remain somewhat in striking position while they grow and possibly even allowing their youthful exuberance to produce some surprising victories against teams that they might not be able to beat had the other team been able to hone their sets and make their execution more disciplined.

It should be interesting. I'm not counting the Broncos out of the playoffs, even if they end up with a 7-9 or 8-8 type of season. I think this season may be about the elite teams and then everyone else scrambles for position over the last 4-5 weeks of the season.

Lev Vyvanse · 07-19-2011, 08:26 PM

A good defense and a veteran QB is what teams need right now. I'm afraid we're ****ed. The good news is high draft picks don't cripple teams anymore.

epicSocialism4tw · 07-19-2011, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lev Vyvanse

A good defense and a veteran QB is what teams need right now. I'm afraid we're ****ed. The good news is high draft picks don't cripple teams anymore.

True.

The defense is a big worry. There are alot of questions there.

HooptyHoops · 07-19-2011, 08:37 PM

I actually think that most of the Defenses will be just fine coming out of the lockout....as the lockout is only going to challenge the offenses at the beginning of the year---I'm hoping the Broncos playbook stayed pretty much the same, as that will be big in the first three, or so weeks. Let's get on with this season already!!

Doggcow · 07-19-2011, 08:37 PM

Broncos are in the worst shape of any team due to the lockout, and how we went into it...

Don't sugarcoat it.

epicSocialism4tw · 07-19-2011, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Doggcow

Broncos are in the worst shape of any team due to the lockout, and how we went into it...

Don't sugarcoat it.

I didn't think that the Mavs would win the title this year either.

One thing is for sure in sports...things work out differently than you expect.

Tebow alone is going to make this team alot more fun to pull for, and I believe, more competitive as well. He did alot to improve the offense, especially the red zone offense over the course of his time as starter.

broncosteven · 07-19-2011, 08:45 PM

We have to implement a new Offense, Defense and determine who the starting QB is, we have a hole in the middle of the DL and a rookie starting LB corps (if the rooks at Mike and Sam pan out), we also need an RB who can prove he can take a pounding.

I hope we win more games than we did last year but I don't think the lockout gives us any kind of advantage over teams that have an established coaching staff and base of players.

Lev Vyvanse · 07-19-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

I didn't think that the Mavs would win the title this year either.

One thing is for sure in sports...things work out differently than you expect.

Tebow alone is going to make this team alot more fun to pull for, and I believe, more competitive as well. He did alot to improve the offense, especially the red zone offense over the course of his time as starter.

I think Tebow is the only chance we have at a successful season. That is a great deal to ask from a player with 3 starts.

Lev Vyvanse · 07-19-2011, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by broncosteven

We have to implement a new Offense, Defense and determine who the starting QB is, we have a hole in the middle of the DL and a rookie starting LB corps (if the rooks at Mike and Sam pan out), we also need an RB who can prove he can take a pounding.

I hope we win more games than we did last year but I don't think the lockout gives us any kind of advantage over teams that have an established coaching staff and base of players.

The offense should have many of the same plays or at least have the same verbiage. Why else would you keep McCoy around?

Requiem · 07-19-2011, 08:53 PM

Just wonder how many of our players stayed active and conditioned themselves in preparation for the season. If people come in out of shape and unprepared, we're in trouble.

Man-Goblin · 07-19-2011, 08:53 PM

With this many free agents on the market (don't forget the rookie free agents) there is opportunity for bad teams to get better faster than ever before. Whether they take advantage of that opportunity is another deal. There's also more of a chance to whiff.

DivineBronco · 07-19-2011, 08:56 PM

pulling stuff out of my butt here but it stands to reason the big ol DT's who have jobs and are locked in will be the people most likely to come into camp out of shape.
And the guys who have no team and need money probably worked their butts off during the lockout. Luckily we have I think negative 5 DT's on our roster so ummmmmmmm maybe that will work out

TheReverend · 07-19-2011, 09:00 PM

..............what?

TheReverend · 07-19-2011, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

This upcoming season could be helter skelter for several weeks, leading to a bunch of inconsistent results for teams across the league. Teams with a veteran core of successful players (Pats, Steelers, Colts, etc) are at a bit of an advantage, because their core pieces can get in there and take advantage of teams who are still getting up to speed in terms of the playbook and the integration of new players. Most everyone else could struggle at times.

That would level the playing field a little for a young Broncos team with a new coach, a new QB, and a new system on both sides of the ball, allowing the Broncos to remain somewhat in striking position while they grow and possibly even allowing their youthful exuberance to produce some surprising victories against teams that they might not be able to beat had the other team been able to hone their sets and make their execution more disciplined.

It should be interesting. I'm not counting the Broncos out of the playoffs, even if they end up with a 7-9 or 8-8 type of season. I think this season may be about the elite teams and then everyone else scrambles for position over the last 4-5 weeks of the season.

Please point out the part that "levels the playing field a little for a young Broncos team"...?

mkporter · 07-19-2011, 09:10 PM

The only real positive that the Broncos got from the lockout, is that they don't have to pay $$$$ for Von.

epicSocialism4tw · 07-19-2011, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Please point out the part that "levels the playing field a little for a young Broncos team"...?

I was referring to the shared cacophony that will characterize the NFL for a spell after the league gets rebooted from the lockout. A lowering-of-the-bar if you will.

RunSilentRunDeep · 07-19-2011, 09:31 PM

Denver has to pick the low-hanging fruit early. Oakland is losing Asomugha and its offensive line is in flux. Weeks 2 and 3 potentially are games against rookie (or at least crappy) QBs. For all Denver's problems, it wouldn't be that big a surprise if they start 3-0 (and then get the crap beat out of them at Green Bay).

epicSocialism4tw · 07-19-2011, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Man-Goblin

With this many free agents on the market (don't forget the rookie free agents) there is opportunity for bad teams to get better faster than ever before. Whether they take advantage of that opportunity is another deal. There's also more of a chance to whiff.

Well there's two ways to look at that I guess.

Denver was not a big spender at all last year. Something like 6th from the bottom in that category. Maybe they were waiting for the new cap, or maybe they're just cheap.

NUB · 07-19-2011, 09:42 PM

I think Tebow can carry the offense to early victories if John Fox turns the defense around. The lack of reps really hurts, though, and we need to know who is #1 QB at the start of camp. I think a competition at the QB position would really hurt Denver and here's why: either Tebow needs to get as many 1st-team reps as possible or Orton needs to know Fox has his back. I think a competition puts both in jeopardy.

Dagmar · 07-19-2011, 09:44 PM

I admire Llama's optimism, to be honest I just rewatched the Houston and SD game highlights and if Fox fixes the running game and D in the next couple of years, things could be pretty sweet.

cutthemdown · 07-19-2011, 10:12 PM

We need to have realistic goals. If Doom has a strong season, maybe 3 or so of the rookies look like good players, Lloyd wasn't a one yr wonder, Tebow looks like a starter at some point, and the coaches seem to not be idiots, then i would say the yr a success even if we only win 4-5 games.

Drek · 07-20-2011, 04:32 AM

The lockout cost the Broncos an early extra week of camp that we would have otherwise gotten with a new HC.

We have a QB controversy between a solid vet who showed last year he can't put this team on his shoulders and a rookie who's started three games.

There is basically only one DT we have under contract right now.

As of this point we're starting two rookies at MLB and SOLB respectively.

Any RB we get to pair with Moreno is starting behind the eight ball on learning his pass pro assignments.

The very young OL has had exactly zero time with their new OL coach.

Free agency is going to be an incredibly strong seller's market where the Broncos need to address needs for starters, not just depth.

We're changing to a different defensive system this season.

Hell of a lot of negatives when the best positive we've got is that other teams have been locked out too. Its had a uniquely strong impact on the Broncos due coaching change, potential QB change, system change, etc..

Not to say we couldn't have a miracle season, but you're talking 1967 incredible dream Red Sox levels of coming from nowhere.

Jay3 · 07-20-2011, 04:47 AM

chrisp · 07-20-2011, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drek

Hell of a lot of negatives when the best positive we've got is that other teams have been locked out too. Its had a uniquely strong impact on the Broncos due coaching change, potential QB change, system change, etc..

Not to say we couldn't have a miracle season, but you're talking 1967 incredible dream Red Sox levels of coming from nowhere.

This.

We can always hope & dream, that's what makes this league so fun, and you could argue that the lost offseason time makes the whole regular season more of a crapshoot, but anyone trying to convince themselves that this whole thing has actually helped us is crazy.

yes, any team can go from zero to hero in a year in the moderm league due to free agency etc. Yes, the disruption to the offseason is another wild card becuase it may derail soem teams more than others, but I find it hard to believe said disruption won't hurt rebuildign teams more than others, and we are in that category.

...I'm just happy it looks liek there will be football though - i'd rather 4-12 than 0-0.....

Kaylore · 07-20-2011, 05:33 AM

It will take us even longer to not suck with that missed time practicing and in the classroom.

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07-19-2011, 08:13 PM	#1
epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	Broncos' Chances Possibly Better After Lockout This upcoming season could be helter skelter for several weeks, leading to a bunch of inconsistent results for teams across the league. Teams with a veteran core of successful players (Pats, Steelers, Colts, etc) are at a bit of an advantage, because their core pieces can get in there and take advantage of teams who are still getting up to speed in terms of the playbook and the integration of new players. Most everyone else could struggle at times. That would level the playing field a little for a young Broncos team with a new coach, a new QB, and a new system on both sides of the ball, allowing the Broncos to remain somewhat in striking position while they grow and possibly even allowing their youthful exuberance to produce some surprising victories against teams that they might not be able to beat had the other team been able to hone their sets and make their execution more disciplined. It should be interesting. I'm not counting the Broncos out of the playoffs, even if they end up with a 7-9 or 8-8 type of season. I think this season may be about the elite teams and then everyone else scrambles for position over the last 4-5 weeks of the season.

07-19-2011, 08:26 PM	#2
Lev Vyvanse Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 3,040	A good defense and a veteran QB is what teams need right now. I'm afraid we're ****ed. The good news is high draft picks don't cripple teams anymore.

07-19-2011, 08:37 PM	#4
HooptyHoops We need a DE C'mon D Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: West Des Moines, IA Posts: 1,673 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	I actually think that most of the Defenses will be just fine coming out of the lockout....as the lockout is only going to challenge the offenses at the beginning of the year---I'm hoping the Broncos playbook stayed pretty much the same, as that will be big in the first three, or so weeks. Let's get on with this season already!!

07-19-2011, 08:37 PM	#5
Doggcow Rebel Laughs At Unbelievers Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8,298 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Broncos are in the worst shape of any team due to the lockout, and how we went into it... Don't sugarcoat it.

07-19-2011, 08:45 PM	#7
broncosteven The Kranz Dictum MWA: Flight Director Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 29,001 Adopt-a-Bronco: MONEYBALL #38	We have to implement a new Offense, Defense and determine who the starting QB is, we have a hole in the middle of the DL and a rookie starting LB corps (if the rooks at Mike and Sam pan out), we also need an RB who can prove he can take a pounding. I hope we win more games than we did last year but I don't think the lockout gives us any kind of advantage over teams that have an established coaching staff and base of players.

07-19-2011, 08:53 PM	#10
Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,515 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	Just wonder how many of our players stayed active and conditioned themselves in preparation for the season. If people come in out of shape and unprepared, we're in trouble.

07-19-2011, 08:53 PM	#11
Man-Goblin Giving You The Business Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 5,588 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	With this many free agents on the market (don't forget the rookie free agents) there is opportunity for bad teams to get better faster than ever before. Whether they take advantage of that opportunity is another deal. There's also more of a chance to whiff.

07-19-2011, 08:56 PM	#12
DivineBronco Ring of Famer if you like Cutler you are my enemy Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,051	pulling stuff out of my butt here but it stands to reason the big ol DT's who have jobs and are locked in will be the people most likely to come into camp out of shape. And the guys who have no team and need money probably worked their butts off during the lockout. Luckily we have I think negative 5 DT's on our roster so ummmmmmmm maybe that will work out

07-19-2011, 09:00 PM	#13
TheReverend www.PatrickTurley.org ^ buy this... twice Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 32,962 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mike Shanahan	..............what?

07-19-2011, 09:10 PM	#15
mkporter Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,661 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	The only real positive that the Broncos got from the lockout, is that they don't have to pay $$$$ for Von.

07-19-2011, 09:31 PM	#17
RunSilentRunDeep Ring of Famer I root for laundry Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,403 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Prater	Denver has to pick the low-hanging fruit early. Oakland is losing Asomugha and its offensive line is in flux. Weeks 2 and 3 potentially are games against rookie (or at least crappy) QBs. For all Denver's problems, it wouldn't be that big a surprise if they start 3-0 (and then get the crap beat out of them at Green Bay).

07-19-2011, 09:42 PM	#19
NUB Just Crafted New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,448 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I think Tebow can carry the offense to early victories if John Fox turns the defense around. The lack of reps really hurts, though, and we need to know who is #1 QB at the start of camp. I think a competition at the QB position would really hurt Denver and here's why: either Tebow needs to get as many 1st-team reps as possible or Orton needs to know Fox has his back. I think a competition puts both in jeopardy.

07-19-2011, 09:44 PM	#20
Dagmar ...there ain't no devil ..there's just God when he's drunk. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Morrison Posts: 17,132 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tim Tebow	I admire Llama's optimism, to be honest I just rewatched the Houston and SD game highlights and if Fox fixes the running game and D in the next couple of years, things could be pretty sweet.

07-19-2011, 10:12 PM	#21
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,409	We need to have realistic goals. If Doom has a strong season, maybe 3 or so of the rookies look like good players, Lloyd wasn't a one yr wonder, Tebow looks like a starter at some point, and the coaches seem to not be idiots, then i would say the yr a success even if we only win 4-5 games.

07-20-2011, 04:32 AM	#22
Drek Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 12,315	The lockout cost the Broncos an early extra week of camp that we would have otherwise gotten with a new HC. We have a QB controversy between a solid vet who showed last year he can't put this team on his shoulders and a rookie who's started three games. There is basically only one DT we have under contract right now. As of this point we're starting two rookies at MLB and SOLB respectively. Any RB we get to pair with Moreno is starting behind the eight ball on learning his pass pro assignments. The very young OL has had exactly zero time with their new OL coach. Free agency is going to be an incredibly strong seller's market where the Broncos need to address needs for starters, not just depth. We're changing to a different defensive system this season. Hell of a lot of negatives when the best positive we've got is that other teams have been locked out too. Its had a uniquely strong impact on the Broncos due coaching change, potential QB change, system change, etc.. Not to say we couldn't have a miracle season, but you're talking 1967 incredible dream Red Sox levels of coming from nowhere.

07-20-2011, 04:47 AM	#23
Jay3 Sad Elway Ah . . . no. Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,366 Adopt-a-Bronco: None

07-20-2011, 05:33 AM	#25
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,004 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	It will take us even longer to not suck with that missed time practicing and in the classroom.