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Old 07-16-2011, 01:00 PM   #1
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1.Elvis Dumerville For Mario Williams-We may need to through in a conditional.
This one makes too much sense. Mario is the premiere 4-3 end. Elvis was the premiere 3-4 Olb. With each of us changing to the other why not? Make it Happen.

2.Eddie Royal for Albert Haynesworth and a 4th.
I love Eddie however I do not believe in him anymore. Eric Decker has the look of a 10 year #2 reciever. Albert needs a makeover. When Motivated he can play.
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Old 07-16-2011, 01:02 PM   #2
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Old 07-16-2011, 01:15 PM   #4
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I've heard worse ideas. Doubt either happen though
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I'd do the first in a heartbeat and wouldn't mind trading Royal but not for Haynesworth.
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1. Montrose previously pointed out that most of Doom's sacks in 2009 occurred when he had a hand on the ground, despite the fact that he was normally categorized as a 3-4 OLB. If your concern is that he's a much less effective pass rusher as a DE, that's not warranted. Also, moving Dumervil right when he got 43m in guaranteed money would absolutely destroy Denver's salary cap, especially when it is rumored to be at 120m, which would be less than what it was in 2009.

2. Trading anything for Haynesworth is a stupid idea. As much as I'd love to see Shanny get rid of him (or in the alternative, run him to repeated physical collapse in the heat such that he willingly agrees to give back money just so that he doesn't suffer a complete physical and mental breakdown), I don't like the idea of us being the dumpster. Haynesworth is nothing but a cancerous, entitled, unmotivated fat piece of ****. Why would he be motivated here? He's already gotten paid. Are you proposing to re-motivate him by giving him another large bonus? Even trading a practice squad player for him would be a huge net loss. Royal is a good player in the right kind of system. I'm looking forward to seeing whether Fox and McCoy go back and watch some 2008 tape to see the ways Shanny used him that made him most effective and adapt what they are doing, accordingly. The sign of a great staff is adapting whatever you do to fit your talent. That's the answer, not giving up on him. We know he can play, its just a matter of finding the right niche for him.
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Old 07-16-2011, 01:19 PM   #8
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Ya.. the houston trade would be a dream.
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Old 07-16-2011, 01:25 PM   #9
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those aren't bad ideas, but i believe when healthy Doom is the best pass rusher in the league...i believe he'll be good being that his sacks come from him as a down lineman...

haynesworth trade is risky....

i'd trade him for a pick but no players...
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1. Montrose previously pointed out that most of Doom's sacks in 2009 occurred when he had a hand on the ground, despite the fact that he was normally categorized as a 3-4 OLB. If your concern is that he's a much less effective pass rusher as a DE, that's not warranted. Also, moving Dumervil right when he got 43m in guaranteed money would absolutely destroy Denver's salary cap, especially when it is rumored to be at 120m, which would be less than what it was in 2009.

2. Trading anything for Haynesworth is a stupid idea. As much as I'd love to see Shanny get rid of him, I don't like the idea of us being the dumpster. Haynesworth is nothing but a cancerous, entitled, unmotivated fat piece of ****. Why would he be motivated here? He's already gotten paid. Are you proposing to re-motivate him by giving him another large bonus? Even trading a practice squad player for him would be a huge net loss. Royal is a good player in the right kind of system. I'm looking forward to seeing whether Fox and McCoy go back and watch some 2008 tape to see the ways Shanny used him that made him most effective and adapt what they are doing, accordingly. The sign of a great staff is adapting whatever you do to fit your talent. That's the answer, not giving up on him. We know he can play, its just a matter of finding the right niche for him.
I don't think Dumerville is a Bad player by any stretch. And since the new cap is only money spent each year. There is no Cap Ramifications, the old way of cap is gone. Dumerville is good, Williams is better. People can scheme to take advantage of Dumerville as a DE, Less so as a OLB. We are not giving him away we are simply trying to scheme him better.

Eddie is a good player. However he is not a Great Player. Great players make plays in any situation, they don't need to be schemed for. I think it is a bad idea to have to Scheme an advantage for our 3rd WR. He needs to be able to dominant on his own because he is working on the opposing nickle. The last 2 years this has not been the case. He still has value, taking the value and adding to another weaker part of the team only makes sense.
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Old 07-16-2011, 01:27 PM   #12
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The first one isn't terrible... but hells no on the second.
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Old 07-16-2011, 01:31 PM   #14
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I get it everybody hates Haynesworth. However my thought is the guy is very much like Randy Moss, He plays amazing sometime and poorly others. Lets buy low. Really Royal is not adding much to the team. His value by itself is around a 4th round pick.
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I would much rather get Mebane than Haynesworth. Mario Williams over Doom... Maybe, but not worth the cap hit. But, Houston would take a similar hit and then each team would pay the salary as structured when originally signed. Not sure Houston would do a deal like that tho.
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Old 07-16-2011, 01:39 PM   #16
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I would much rather get Mebane than Haynesworth. Mario Williams over Doom... Maybe, but not worth the cap hit. But, Houston would take a similar hit and then each team would pay the salary as structured when originally signed. Not sure Houston would do a deal like that tho.
Their is no Cap Hit!
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I checked my rep and they're all bumped off but I could swear I had a few red buttons from you for my criticism of Royal.

I agree though. For whatever reason, he isn't the guy that clawed his way to success in the first year. Now he's a fair catch machine and little else.
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I checked my rep and they're all bumped off but I could swear I had a few red buttons from you for my criticism of Royal.

I agree though. For whatever reason, he isn't the guy that clawed his way to success in the first year. Now he's a fair catch machine and little else.
Me? I don't think I have ever Neg Repped anyone.
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Old 07-16-2011, 01:49 PM   #21
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Eh, I'd rather keep Doom and see how he does with Von coming off the other side.

And I wouldn't be opposed to moving Royal (I'd rather keep him right now), no way in H-E-double hockey sticks do I want Haynesworth anywhere near our team.
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1. Elvis and Von Miller will work together to be possibly the most fearsome speed rushing tandem in the NFL. You have that in the bag - don't mess with it, build around it.

2. You won't need to trade anything for Haynesworth if you really want him, but if you were going to trade, why not ask for a player you really want. I mean, if you could get a starting caliber DT in the prime of his career, send out Eddie Royal + a draft pick to whomever for all I care. Don't just take Haynesworth because there is discontent, make a bid for the best player (from any willing team) to help our team.

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Old 07-16-2011, 01:55 PM   #23
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The first one is intriquing as Doom can be schemed out by running towards his side and adding the TE on passing downs. Ayers hasn't really shown anything

There is no way in hell EFX is going to inject the cancer into the locker room that Haynesworth brings
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Not under the NEW CBA. Remember all the cap hits were washed clean once the OLD CBA expired and there was an uncapped year. Also, the whole NEW CBA salary cap only applies money spent in the current year and applies to all money that is spent in the current year only. No more front or back loaded bonuses will apply. That is why the players agreed to the lower revenue %. Every dollar of the new CAP is NEW money.
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Me? I don't think I have ever Neg Repped anyone.
Hmm... apologies then. I thought it was.
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