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Old 07-14-2011, 07:13 PM   #1
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Why Orton has no shot!

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"When I hear parents tell their kids, 'It doesn't matter if you win or lose, as
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I am sure "Through my eyes" is no "Failure is not an option" but I am going to reserve it at the library anyway.
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"When I hear parents tell their kids, 'It doesn't matter if you win or lose, as
long as you have fun,' I'm puzzled. That's just not how I'm wired. Bottom
line, losing simply isn't any fun."


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In team based games where your kid could get paired up with a poor talent you have to tell them something.
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I am sure "Through my eyes" is no "Failure is not an option" but I am going to reserve it at the library anyway.
You're right in your comparison, but it is a great read. That was a very well written article... Thanks for sharing, Moops. I like Orton and I agree that he was not the weakest link last year, but I definitely think Tebow's the man to start this season!
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I believe in and support Tebow 100%. His superhuman work ethic alone will be enough to make him an effective and very versatile NFL QB. When even a traditional, conservative coach like John Fox says that we'll have the most creative running game in the league, you know that he knows we've got a kid here that has the potential to truly redefine what it means to be a "dual threat" QB.

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I believe in and support Tebow 100%. His superhuman work ethic alone will be enough to make him an effective and very versatile NFL QB. When even a traditional, conservative coach like John Fox says that we'll have the most creative running game in the league, you know that he knows we've got a kid here that has the potential to truly redefine what it means to be a "dual threat" QB.

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good writeup by moops.


also, the one thing i keep hearing from people is "hes not playing against SEC linebackers anymore!" and my first thought is yea, but hes still bigger and stronger than a good amount of NFL linebackers as well...

how much will he have to dial in his running ability in the NFL is a major question i have about his play.
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good writeup by moops.


also, the one thing i keep hearing from people is "hes not playing against SEC linebackers anymore!" and my first thought is yea, but hes still bigger and stronger than a good amount of NFL linebackers as well...

how much will he have to dial in his running ability in the NFL is a major question i have about his play.
Yep, very good writeup by Moops.

Re: LB's...I think that's a fair criticism, but also Tebow has been bulking up too. He's constantly getting stronger. Based on some of those golfing pics, I'd say he's probably even more well built now than he was at Florida, so he's going to be a load for any LB, NFL or SEC (and the SEC ones weren't bad, themselves). I'd also note that it might not be accurate to say that most NFL LB's are these 6'5 265 behemoths. The general trend in NFL linebacking in the last 20 years has been towards smaller, but faster LB's and he can bowl those guys over. With the bigger ones (3-4 OLBs and some 4-3 old school SLB's), while some contact is inevitable, he'll be able to outrun many of them.

I'm not worried about Tebow's body not being up to taking the pounding. There's probably no one in the league that takes care of their body better than he does. He'll take it.....and he'll dish it, too.
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Yep, very good writeup by Moops.

Re: LB's...I think that's a fair criticism, but also Tebow has been bulking up too. He's constantly getting stronger. Based on some of those golfing pics, I'd say he's probably even more well built now than he was at Florida, so he's going to be a load for any LB, NFL or SEC (and the SEC ones weren't bad, themselves). I'd also note that it might not be accurate to say that most NFL LB's are these 6'5 265 behemoths. The general trend in NFL linebacking in the last 20 years has been towards smaller, but faster LB's and he can bowl those guys over. With the bigger ones (3-4 OLBs and some 4-3 old school SLB's), while some contact is inevitable, he'll be able to outrun many of them.

I'm not worried about Tebow's body not being up to taking the pounding. There's probably no one in the league that takes care of their body better than he does. He'll take it.....and he'll dish it, too.
definitely, just wondering where that takes his game in general, if hes gonna dish away from more hits than he did in college (though i dont know if thats even in his DNA to coach him to shy away from contact). its a fair point that he is no longer playing SEC linebackers, hes playing the top 1% now, bigger faster and stronger, but at the same time so is he. hopefully he learns how to make and even initiate contact while avoiding big hits, though that seems as much luck as anything else.
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Yep, very good writeup by Moops.

Re: LB's...I think that's a fair criticism, but also Tebow has been bulking up too. He's constantly getting stronger. Based on some of those golfing pics, I'd say he's probably even more well built now than he was at Florida, so he's going to be a load for any LB, NFL or SEC (and the SEC ones weren't bad, themselves). I'd also note that it might not be accurate to say that most NFL LB's are these 6'5 265 behemoths. The general trend in NFL linebacking in the last 20 years has been towards smaller, but faster LB's and he can bowl those guys over. With the bigger ones (3-4 OLBs and some 4-3 old school SLB's), while some contact is inevitable, he'll be able to outrun many of them.

I'm not worried about Tebow's body not being up to taking the pounding. There's probably no one in the league that takes care of their body better than he does. He'll take it.....and he'll dish it, too.
I don't think the focus should be on Tebow vs LBers in size and athleticism.

Being an effective passer will force DE's out of contain and LB's out of spy.

That should be the focus. At that point, he can easily chew up 10 yards a clip when it's available when defenders are on their heels in coverage and ends are washed out of the play.
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Yep, very good writeup by Moops.

Re: LB's...I think that's a fair criticism, but also Tebow has been bulking up too. He's constantly getting stronger. Based on some of those golfing pics, I'd say he's probably even more well built now than he was at Florida, so he's going to be a load for any LB, NFL or SEC (and the SEC ones weren't bad, themselves). I'd also note that it might not be accurate to say that most NFL LB's are these 6'5 265 behemoths. The general trend in NFL linebacking in the last 20 years has been towards smaller, but faster LB's and he can bowl those guys over. With the bigger ones (3-4 OLBs and some 4-3 old school SLB's), while some contact is inevitable, he'll be able to outrun many of them.

I'm not worried about Tebow's body not being up to taking the pounding. There's probably no one in the league that takes care of their body better than he does. He'll take it.....and he'll dish it, too.
sec linebackers are better than nfl ones. Why do you think tebow is a better runner in the pros?
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also, the one thing i keep hearing from people is "hes not playing against SEC linebackers anymore!"
Hello...this is an ADVANTAGE for us! The SEC is tougher than the NFL, so Tebow will dominate even more at this level!
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I just hope Tebow doesn't get bored playing down to the watered down NFL.
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He'll finally get to be overrated now like those guys in those stacked yet somehow dramatically inferior teams from other conferences.
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He'll finally get to be overrated now like those guys in those stacked yet somehow dramatically inferior teams from other conferences.
Just think what he could have done with OU's Oline! I know more of Florida's is in the NFL but everyone who knows anything about college football knows that OU had the best Oline in the game.
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Just think what he could have done with OU's Oline! I know more of Florida's is in the NFL but everyone who knows anything about college football knows that OU had the best Oline in the game.
Ugh, can you imagine the numbers he would've put up with Texas's defense on the schedule?!?!
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I'm excited to find out how much the efforts Tebow has put in this off-season will have paid off
I've got the feeling we're all going to be pleasantly surprised. He knows that by most accounts -fair or not- he will only be given one shot to succeed in he NFL and he's going to be on a mission to prove them wrong
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400 rushing yards 14 TDs and that would just be the first half.
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Yep, very good writeup by Moops.

Re: LB's...I think that's a fair criticism, but also Tebow has been bulking up too. He's constantly getting stronger.
It's not about size... it's about speed. In college Tebow would face MAYBE one or two linebackers on a defense that had NFL speed. You can't coach fast, and Tebow isn't particularly speedy.

I'd say that it's a very valid question mark. Does he have the speed to get that corner against NFL linebackers? Early indications are maybe at best.
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It's not about size... it's about speed. In college Tebow would face MAYBE one or two linebackers on a defense that had NFL speed. You can't coach fast, and Tebow isn't particularly speedy.

I'd say that it's a very valid question mark. Does he have the speed to get that corner against NFL linebackers? Early indications are maybe at best.
I think he's got very good functional speed for his size. If he couldn't run against NFL LB's, HTF did he get that 40 yard touchdown against Oakland? Give me a break. He can run and as Rev pointed out, as he improves as a passer, it will make it even harder for them to defend the run with the DE's and LB's.
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It's not about size... it's about speed. In college Tebow would face MAYBE one or two linebackers on a defense that had NFL speed. You can't coach fast, and Tebow isn't particularly speedy.

I'd say that it's a very valid question mark. Does he have the speed to get that corner against NFL linebackers? Early indications are maybe at best.
Oakland has one of the fastest and best LBer corps in the league.
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