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Old 07-14-2011, 10:54 AM   #1
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What I do know — from someone who worked closely with Josh and is someone I trust to tell me the truth — is that after the draft, McDaniels and the staff believed privately they made a big mistake on Moreno. He was not what they thought. He hasn't been tough, smart, motivated, if that's what you're asking. He has been a bust. I've said it before. He's not a great clubhouse guy. Interpret that how you want, and he's been a wimp on the field.
http://www.denverpost.com/woodysmailbag/ci_18472436

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Old 07-14-2011, 11:02 AM   #2
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Opinionated as he may be (for better or for worse), his mail bag is world's more in depth and superior to the rest.
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Old 07-14-2011, 11:06 AM   #3
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Ayers, I believe, will be pushed for his starting job and may end up alternating at end. That would be a waste for a first-round draft pick. Quinn is like Brady Quinn, mostly invisible.
If we don't sign Johnson or pull off a trade, we'll have no one capable of pushing Ayers into an alternate role.
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If we don't sign Johnson or pull off a trade, we'll have no one capable of pushing Ayers into an alternate role.

So apparently, Ayers was not what McD thought either. Munchkin boy set a new low for draft prep, I'd say.
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McD was a terrible talent evaluator.

All he should be in charge of is the passing game of the offense…nothing more.
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Opinionated as he may be (for better or for worse), his mail bag is world's more in depth and superior to the rest.
It's not really the fact that he's opinionated that bothers me, it's the truth stretching and sensationalizm. His mailbags are interesting enough reads, but it's impossible to gauge how much of it is actually truth and how much of it is something he got from the guy who delivers Josh his pizza. Woody is the king of taking a small off handed remark or minor event and blowing it up into a crazy story. It's more entertaining than most of the other Denver beat writers, but I put absolutely no stock in any of it.
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If we don't sign Johnson or pull off a trade, we'll have no one capable of pushing Ayers into an alternate role.
Won't matter. We're building the line around Vickerson. All the other guys will just be minor role players.
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Old 07-14-2011, 11:22 AM   #9
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If Moreno was drafted in the 2nd round would he still be considered a bust?
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Old 07-14-2011, 11:22 AM   #10
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more in the link. its paige, so take it for what its worth.
Has anyone talked to Tebow about this yet? I'm sure he's got it covered.
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just because he isn't what McD thought he was doesnt mean he is a bust

honestly, when he came out of college I thought he was versatile, tough, smart and motivated....exactly what you want in a first round pick...I thought we got a steal

in the end though he seems to just be a change of pace back who really doesnt care much for football. He's talented as all hell but without that extra gear and work ethic he is nothing more than just your average NFL baller

sucks...its almost as if he sold himself in college to be something he cant deliver on
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I'm gonna sue Paige for plagiarism.
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If Moreno was drafted in the 2nd round would he still be considered a bust?
Less likely...but to me his a bust.
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just because he isn't what McD thought he was doesnt mean he is a bust

honestly, when he came out of college I thought he was versatile, tough, smart and motivated....exactly what you want in a first round pick...I thought we got a steal

in the end though he seems to just be a change of pace back who really doesnt care much for football. He's talented as all hell but without that extra gear and work ethic he is nothing more than just your average NFL baller

sucks...its almost as if he sold himself in college to be something he cant deliver on
If you needed one yard for a first down...you gonna hand it to him excluding all other factors? I wouldn't
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Most of us knew this already. He's not a stud running back, he's a very avg running back, and not a bell cow everydown back.
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If Moreno was drafted in the 2nd round would he still be considered a bust?
If he was drafted lower then you would not notice him as much and therefore he could perhaps escape the bust label, for the never was and who cares label. Fact is though he isn't our answer at RB. That search is still on.
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Old 07-14-2011, 12:02 PM   #18
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McD was a terrible talent evaluator.

All he should be in charge of is the passing game of the offense…nothing more.
Totally agree. After Shanahan was let go the one thing I wanted in a replacement was the best talent evaluator the Broncos could get (as a GM). Instead they hired the exact opposite (a young coach over his head in the player evaluation dept)

The draft pick haul they got for Cutler was actually pretty good, and then they proceeded to waste them.
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If Moreno was drafted in the 2nd round would he still be considered a bust?
So far, he's no Tatum Bell.

Depressing as that sounds.
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If you needed one yard for a first down...you gonna hand it to him excluding all other factors? I wouldn't
I'm not giving it to him with our O-line from last year....I'm still giving it to him this year though. If he doesnt perform, he is out the door
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What's hilarious is that, over the past two years, he's been arguably one of the top 5 players on this team and yet here we are with two very active "he's a bust" threads on page one.

Call him a disappointment if you must. Hell, the whole team has been a disappointment. But I just can't see how you can call him a bust. Outside of the QB position, busts don't put up 8 TDs per year. Especially on arguably the worst red zone run blocking team in NFL history.
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Old 07-14-2011, 12:19 PM   #22
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If Moreno was drafted in the 2nd round would he still be considered a bust?

No, but he'd still be considered a player who hasn't reached his potential.
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What's hilarious is that, over the past two years, he's been arguably one of the top 5 players on this team and yet here we are with two very active "he's a bust" threads on page one.

Call him a disappointment if you must. Hell, the whole team has been a disappointment. But I just can't see how you can call him a bust. Outside of the QB position, busts don't put up 8 TDs per year. Especially on arguably the worst red zone run blocking team in NFL history.
what's hilarious is that anyone thought he was a top 5 player on the team.
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If you needed one yard for a first down...you gonna hand it to him excluding all other factors? I wouldn't
Neither would Josh McDaniels. On third down and less than three yards, Moreno got a grand total of 2 carries last year. Those two carries happened to be half of all of his third down carries (grand total of 4).

I personally can't blame Josh for drafting Moreno at 12. I thought he would be a steal there. I thought he looked like the newest version of AP. Instead what we got was a less reliable Tatum Bell. Moreno is serviceable, at least in my opinion, but serviceable is a long distance away from being drafted at #12 overall with "next AP" dreams tagging along with him.
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even the biggest homer has to admit at this point, moreno has been a solid disappointment...

as far as ayers, i'm still giving him one more year before labeling him a bust...i believe this year he has a chance to play in his more natural position and with a more competent defensive staff...at least thats my hope...
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