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Old 07-02-2011, 07:37 PM   #1
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Just read that on profootball talk. If he's worth that much Orton should be at least worth more then the 3rd round pick some analysts say we would take. What do you guys think? Sea bluffing to screw cards? he doesn't seem to be that good to me. Is Kolb over hyped because he hasn't played a lot yet?
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:45 PM   #2
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Is Kolb over hyped because he hasn't played a lot yet?
Very much so.

You can't really say he sucks yet, but he's done nothing to be worth a first and a third.
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So then Shannahan do you think maybe Sea floating that just to mess with Ariz, and force them to give up more, or does sea really want him that much.
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Kolb is the same, really, as Schaub was. Maybe Kolb had a bit more publicity before Vick took the job.
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Effing ridiculous that someone might pay that for Kolb but it wouldn't surprise me all that much. Eagles can't pass up that compensation but I wonder what they'll do when Vick gets injured, which he will. With his style of play it's very unlikely he can lasat 16 games. Here's to hoping Denver can steal a 2nd rounder for Orton...
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Ahhhhh, potential. Just another way of saying that you haven't done squat yet.
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I like how every fan is always against paying draft picks for potential. What do you think you do in the draft? Kolb was a high pick, and now he's seasoned and most of the tape is good. Unless you can find a draft full of ten year vets, any QB you pick is going to be more of an unknown than Kolb is.
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I don't think Orton is a good comparable to Kolb. Kolb is younger and vastly more athletic. He's had time to sit, learn and mature into a pro QB, but he's still got tons of good years left. Orton is a decent game manager, but his physical limitations are readily apparent and he can almost never making something out of nothing. That said, a 1st and 3rd would be excessive for Kolb, but if that's what the market bears, then we could probably get a 2nd for Orton.

I suspect Carroll is probably smarter than that, though. I could see him possibly giving a
1st rounder for Kolb (or perhaps a 2nd that could mature into a 1st based on achievement based objectives for Kolb), but not also throwing in the 3rd.

I'd say that in a reasonable market, Orton might be worth a 3rd round pick. At this time, he is still probably a better dropback passer than Tebow (although Tebow has reported taking about 1000 dropbacks a day in his private workouts this summer, so I'm sure he's improved over last year), but Tebow is certainly more dynamic and can allow us to do a panoply of creative things on offense that would make us difficult to prepare for. Also, ofcourse, he's vastly more popular with the fans and has tremendous potential going forward to redefine the position once he gets his regular reps. It doesn't hurt that he's widely more popular in the fanbase and will sell alot more jerseys for ol Scrooge McDuck. So, he's going to start. Orton would be a terrific backup, but there's probably more value for Denver in giving him up for a 3rd than keeping him for just one year. This is going to be a transition year, regardless, and its going to be tough, so its not like if he steps in, things are going to magically be much better. We've got to ride it out. I'd rather just do that and get that extra 3rd since our roster will need all the quality future draft picks it can get.
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So much for Charlie Whitehurst...


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Orton should be a 2nd rounder.
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Well, if they pay a 1st and a 3rd, Seattle would be consistent on paying backups a **** load of draft picks. I actually like Kolb and think his time has come to get to play a season as the starter. I would love Seattle to pay that much as Orton was not destined to go to Seattle and the asking price would be higher than the 3rd. Ive always have said it better be at least a 2nd rounder. This would hopefully confirm it.
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Wouldn't surprise me given how much they gave up to get Whitehurst. (Moved back form #40 to #60 and threw in a 3rd rounder).

I also think Orton could net a 2nd. He's not even two years older than Kolb, and has put up pretty good numbers the past three years.
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It's nice to be actually talking some football. Feels good.
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Orton should be a 2nd rounder.
That would be nice. I'll take it!
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I know. I can't wait for FA to start so we can see how Broncos plan to fill out the front 7, what they will do at RB, does Dawkins stay, do they stand pat at WR evem with DT and Royal iffy because of injuries? Lot's of stuff for Broncos to get done, more like 2 offseasons worth.
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Just read that on profootball talk. If he's worth that much Orton should be at least worth more then the 3rd round pick some analysts say we would take. What do you guys think? Sea bluffing to screw cards? he doesn't seem to be that good to me. Is Kolb over hyped because he hasn't played a lot yet?
it's the Cutler factor in a way. Young guy who hasn't supposedly reached his full potential but has the looks of a possible pro bowler. the unknown commodity that has the pretty wrapping will always go for more than the known commodity.

however i do believe we should be able to pull in at least a 2nd for Orton. he has shown the last 2 seasons, he can fling the ball all over the field as well as almost anyone in the league, and he just needs some help on defense and in a running game.

i truly hope Seattle is willing to put down a deal like that, so we can fleece the Cards for a minimum of a 2nd rounder for Kyle.
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it's the Cutler factor in a way. Young guy who hasn't supposedly reached his full potential but has the looks of a possible pro bowler. the unknown commodity that has the pretty wrapping will always go for more than the known commodity.

however i do believe we should be able to pull in at least a 2nd for Orton. he has shown the last 2 seasons, he can fling the ball all over the field as well as almost anyone in the league, and he just needs some help on defense and in a running game.

i truly hope Seattle is willing to put down a deal like that, so we can fleece the Cards for a minimum of a 2nd rounder for Kyle.
I'm confused. If Orton has proved he can throw ball well last couple years would we be fleecing the Cards for a 2nd? I think if you find a QB who is better then what you had, can start for a couple yrs, hell thats a worth a 2nd IMO. I think a 2nd rounder would be a fair deal for both teams. Fitz and Orton would, IMO, be a good fit. Orton just needs to throw it up for him, he really is that good down the field. I would sort of feel good about Fitz at least breaking up almost any ball thrown up to him.
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If Seattle nabs him for that we might be able to squeeze a 2nd and 4th out of AZ.
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The Cards are in desperate need for a QB. If they can even get a decent one, they have a great chance to win their division since it is so bad. A deal with them I think can be done and a 2nd rounder could be reasonable with them considering they like I stated, have a great shot at winning that division.
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The Cards are in desperate need for a QB. If they can even get a decent one, they have a great chance to win their division since it is so bad. A deal with them I think can be done and a 2nd rounder could be reasonable with them considering they like I stated, have a great shot at winning that division.
Orton working out with Mr. Fitz will hopefully spin things that way too.
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The Cards are in desperate need for a QB. If they can even get a decent one, they have a great chance to win their division since it is so bad. A deal with them I think can be done and a 2nd rounder could be reasonable with them considering they like I stated, have a great shot at winning that division.
I think the Cards will go after Terrelle Pryor in the supplemental draft but may not outbid the Dolphins.
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I think the Cards will go after Terrelle Pryor in the supplemental draft but may not outbid the Dolphins.
They could, but no way is Pryor ready for the NFL, so I donīt think taking Pryor would stop them from having interest in Orton. Orton is much better than anything the Cards have right now at QB.
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They could, but no way is Pryor ready for the NFL, so I donīt think taking Pryor would stop them from having interest in Orton. Orton is much better than anything the Cards have right now at QB.
We all see value in Orton but I'm afraid other teams will not be willing to give much up for him. I see a third round pick for him at best and I would be shickeled titless if we get a second.

I could see Pryor as a perfect fit in Miami, he could sit a year and be another Vick.
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