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Old 07-01-2011, 11:19 PM   #1
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Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone apparently thinks so, after proposing that the county lead a campaign for as many as 13 Southern California counties to secede from the state.

Stone said in a statement late Thursday that Riverside, Imperial, San Diego, Orange, San Bernardino, Kings, Kern, Fresno, Tulare, Inyo, Madera, Mariposa and Mono counties should form the new state of South California.

The creation of the new state would allow officials to focus on securing borders, balancing budgets, improving schools and creating a vibrant economy, he said.

“Our taxes are too high, our schools don’t educate our children well enough, unions and other special interests have more clout in the Legislature than the general public,” Stone said in his statement.

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Old 07-01-2011, 11:23 PM   #2
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Meh. Local politicians always saying stupid things.
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Old 07-01-2011, 11:32 PM   #4
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Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone apparently thinks so, after proposing that the county lead a campaign for as many as 13 Southern California counties to secede from the state.

Stone said in a statement late Thursday that Riverside, Imperial, San Diego, Orange, San Bernardino, Kings, Kern, Fresno, Tulare, Inyo, Madera, Mariposa and Mono counties should form the new state of South California.

The creation of the new state would allow officials to focus on securing borders, balancing budgets, improving schools and creating a vibrant economy, he said.

“Our taxes are too high, our schools don’t educate our children well enough, unions and other special interests have more clout in the Legislature than the general public,” Stone said in his statement.

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This is not news. People bring this up every 6 months or so, and have been for decades.
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Old 07-02-2011, 12:31 AM   #6
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Not going to happen, but South California sounds lame.

Name it Nuevo California.
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It happened in Western Virginia...

Granted, they seceded from a state that had seceded, but WVa had the same complaints about the rest of Virginia that Socal has about NoCal. Stranger things have happened.

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Not going to happen, but South California sounds lame.

Name it Nuevo California.

Before California became a state the southern half of California wanted to become a state called Colorado. Where Colorado is now wanted to be called Jefferson and wanted to encompass 2/3 of Wyoming, New Mexico, all of Colorado and about a third of Kansas. Before that the Mormons wanted to set up an independent country, then a state called Deseret that would have had parts of Idaho, Utah, Nevada, Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas, NM, Arizona and a teeny bit of Nebraska.

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Without LA, Orange, Santa Barbara, Ventura and San Luis Obispo, it should be called Mojave.
Maybe see if Yuma, Mojave and La Paz counties in Arizona want to join too.

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What about water? Doesn't most of the so cal water come down the aqueduct? What makes that guy think they would still send it down without charging a ton more? Also by not including LA county in the split it would make a strange looking border.
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It would never happen but it actually makes sense from their perspective.
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Before California became a state the southern half of California wanted to become a state called Colorado. Where Colorado is now wanted to be called Jefferson and wanted to encompass 2/3 of Wyoming, New Mexico, all of Colorado and about a third of Kansas. Before that the Mormons wanted to set up an independent country, then a state called Deseret that would have had parts of Idaho, Utah, Nevada, Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas, NM, Arizona and a teeny bit of Nebraska.

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It happened in Western Virginia...

Granted, they seceded from a state that had seceded, but WVa had the same complaints about the rest of Virginia that Socal has about NoCal. Stranger things have happened.

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Hmmm which state would be first, SoCal or State of Jefferson - they've been trying for years to get that going (Northern Cal + Southern Oregon). Wonder if that old barn off of I-5 still has "state of Jefferson" painted on it?
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I thought all of SoCal were the crazy hippies? Didn't this article say they wanted to secure the borders and whatnot in the south?
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I thought all of SoCal were the crazy hippies? Didn't this article say they wanted to secure the borders and whatnot in the south?
LA County area is the liberal part, Orange County all the way down to San Diego is pretty conservative, hence these areas want to split away.

Cali is much like any other state, the big cities are left, the rural is right. Most of the coast is liberal while the inland areas are conservative.
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It happened in Western Virginia...

Granted, they seceded from a state that had seceded, but WVa had the same complaints about the rest of Virginia that Socal has about NoCal. Stranger things have happened.

Not a good argument. Look at West Virginia compared to Virginia. That's not really an argument in favor of this idea.
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What about water? Doesn't most of the so cal water come down the aqueduct? What makes that guy think they would still send it down without charging a ton more? Also by not including LA county in the split it would make a strange looking border.
That's why he's suggesting Inyo, Mono, etc........That's most of the Sierra Nevada range.

I'd be all for this if it included the coastal counties. In other words....Santa Cruz, Santa Clara, Stanislaus, Tuolumine & Alpine counties would make up the Southern border of NoCal.

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And as for names.....We keep plain ol' California. Let the filthy hippies up North come up with something else.
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LA County ***HOLLYWOOD***area is the liberal part, Orange County all the way down to San Diego is pretty conservative, hence these areas want to split away.
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What about water? Doesn't most of the so cal water come down the aqueduct? What makes that guy think they would still send it down without charging a ton more? Also by not including LA county in the split it would make a strange looking border.
Here lies the problem. Years ago, Benjamin Wilson (As in Mount Wilson) wanted to seceed from Northern California back in the mid 1800s. We need their water and I doubt they will give or charge a huge rate for it. I would love the state to be divided. I would take mid California and everything east and south of Los Angeles. I would also take Long Beach if they wanted to go our way. Our new state would have less problems but would need to pay off the debt now in the state.
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Not a good argument. Look at West Virginia compared to Virginia. That's not really an argument in favor of this idea.

Considering the differences between Virginians and West Virginians, it made perfect sense to seperate the two. Same with Massachusetts and Maine, North and South Carolina and the Dakotas. If people in Southern California feel that Northern California no longer has much in common with them, why not become a state of their own. But we would need to add a 52nd state to make it even.

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