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Old 06-05-2011, 08:09 PM   #1
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In no particular order

1. Dan Snyder
2. Jerry Jones
3. Al Davis
4. Mike Brown
5. Denise DeBartolo York
6. Bill Bidwell
7. Jerry Richardson

That's more or less it.
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1. Dan Snyder
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5. Denise DeBartolo York
6. Bill Bidwell

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Add William Clay Ford to that list IMO.
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Add William Clay Ford to that list IMO.
That might be fair. They're prolly a wash, in the same general area of each other.
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Option 1: the 31 other owners.

Option 2:
Al Davis
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Ralph Wilson
Richardson
Whoever owns the Jags
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I still love Pat Bowlen. He did a lot for the Broncos and IMO is still trying to win. Sure he made a bad hire, Mcdaniels stunk etc etc but in a couple yrs we won't even care about that. Tebow is going to lead us to glory. He's a winner!
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Every owner is worse than Bowlen. Making a couple of mistakes doesn't make him horrible. It makes him human. Every team has down years.
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why the **** has Bowlen gone from respected owner to being a scrap heap owner?

he made a mistake choosing McDaniels, which is a mistake a lot of Owners would have made at the time. he was the hot young candidate for a HC position and it wasn't just Denver that coveted the guy.

but he realized he made a mistake and cut it out before he did so much harm to the franchise that it was unfixable.

every owner has made mistakes choosing their coaches, but give me a break, a few mistakes does not make him a bad owner.

he wants to win, he will pay out the ass for what his coach wants, he will do anything it takes to bring winning football back to Denver.

we have a damn good owner and i am happy to have him.
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why the **** has Bowlen gone from respected owner to being a scrap heap owner?

he made a mistake choosing McDaniels, which is a mistake a lot of Owners would have made at the time. he was the hot young candidate for a HC position and it wasn't just Denver that coveted the guy.

but he realized he made a mistake and cut it out before he did so much harm to the franchise that it was unfixable.

every owner has made mistakes choosing their coaches, but give me a break, a few mistakes does not make him a bad owner.

he wants to win, he will pay out the ass for what his coach wants, he will do anything it takes to bring winning football back to Denver.

we have a damn good owner and i am happy to have him.
The mistake was not choosing Josh it was in the insane amount of power he gave the young rookie coach.
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I still love Pat Bowlen. He did a lot for the Broncos and IMO is still trying to win. Sure he made a bad hire, Mcdaniels stunk etc etc but in a couple yrs we won't even care about that. Tebow is going to lead us to glory. He's a winner!
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why the **** has Bowlen gone from respected owner to being a scrap heap owner?

every owner has made mistakes choosing their coaches, but give me a break, a few mistakes does not make him a bad owner.
He didn't make just "a few mistakes". From 2000-2009, Denver averaged 18.75 in the league in terms of spending actual dollars (on payroll). That's below average. Yet, the old man had the audacity to fire Shanahan for essentially .500 football when .500 football was actually an over-performance compared with the financial investment that was made. If Bowlen was insistent on having the DC replaced, he could have fired him through his inherent authority as owner. Instead, he panicked because there was a very bad ending to the season.

His "mistakes" weren't merely mistakes but outright lies to the fanbase. First, he said Jay would be the man and wouldn't be traded, yet that didn't happen. Then, he told fans that we would have a real GM-Coach division of power (which was something BTW, the fans wanted and he recognized), but that too didn't come true. Not only did Bowlen repay the decade-plus good service that Jim Goodman provided him with a pink slip, but he reverted exactly back to what he said he was going to avoid by making the coach the only guy with power. And McDaniels was not ready to have such power and probably should never have had it at any point, even if he was successful. Bowlen was nowhere to be seen when his coach starting scheming to trade away the franchise QB and we saw that Bowlen allowed his thugs to start leaking drinking stories about Jay when the team was getting killed PR-wise in order to stem the tide. Perhaps if people leaked his own problems in that regard he'd see how hurtful that would be. Then, in the greatest crisis we've had in decades, Bowlen slithered away like a coward, allowing the principals to get into a perpetual dick measuring contest. Bowlen claimed to want to craft a detente and in fact he would have been the only one who could do it, but he apparently decided he had more important things to do than to meet with Jay when he came to the facility the only time during the crisis. Then, your precious owner had the audacity to cry crocodile tears that his calls weren't being returned. Get off your ****ing ass old man and walk 200 feet to the other room if you want to talk to the guy, he's right ****ing there.

Bowlen had an amazing lack of common sense and allowed himself to get completely hoodwinked by snakes like Joe Ellis. He did nothing while this team burned. He did nothing as this team went to hell in a handbasket, except hide behind others and let them speak for him. Then, after the disaster of 2010, we made our voices clear that we wanted someone legitimately qualified to run things as a true GM and he went out and hired Elway, who had no real experience for the position. It's almost as if he was insulting the intelligence of his fanbase. "I don't care what you think......here's a shiny toy, look its John Elway, its all better". Bowlen is a shell of his former self and our franchise has suffered greatly because of it.

Don't believe me? Look at our franchise, look at how we are regarded. Why do you think THREE coaches declined the oppurtunity to be interviewed. It was widely acknowledged that the "finalists" for our position weren't exactly the cream of the crop. 10 years ago, people would have killed for this job. Now....we are forced to settle. Why do you think that is? Is the whole league wrong in its evaluation of the desireability of being part of our franchise?

This falls squarely in Bowlen's lap. This is the change he wanted. I hope he's happy with the bed he's made. He's not even within shouting distance of being an average owner, currently.

But go on...keep pretending that he just "made a mistake".

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Pat Bowlen doesn't belong in a list of bad owners. The guy has done a lot for the team.
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Bad owners generally either fall into the category of control freaks who try to run everything from behind the curtain (i.e. Al Davis or Jerry Jones), cheapskates who refuse to spend money on the players that deserve it (i.e. Panthers' ownership), or idiots who think that money is all that's needed to build a good team (i.e. Dan Snyder).

I don't see how Bowlen belongs in any of those categories.
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He didn't make just "a few mistakes". From 2000-2009, Denver averaged 18.75 in the league in terms of spending actual dollars (on payroll). That's below average. Yet, the old man had the audacity to fire Shanahan for essentially .500 football when .500 football was actually an over-performance compared with the financial investment that was made. If Bowlen was insistent on having the DC replaced, he could have fired him through his inherent authority as owner. Instead, he panicked because there was a very bad ending to the season.

His "mistakes" weren't merely mistakes but outright lies to the fanbase. First, he said Jay would be the man and wouldn't be traded, yet that didn't happen. Then, he told fans that we would have a real GM-Coach division of power (which was something BTW, the fans wanted and he recognized), but that too didn't come true. Not only did Bowlen repay the decade-plus good service that Jim Goodman provided him with a pink slip, but he reverted exactly back to what he said he was going to avoid by making the coach the only guy with power. And McDaniels was not ready to have such power and probably should never have had it at any point, even if he was successful. Bowlen was nowhere to be seen when his coach starting scheming to trade away the franchise QB and we saw that Bowlen allowed his thugs to start leaking drinking stories about Jay when the team was getting killed PR-wise in order to stem the tide. Perhaps if people leaked his own problems in that regard he'd see how hurtful that would be. Then, in the greatest crisis we've had in decades, Bowlen slithered away like a coward, allowing the principals to get into a perpetual dick measuring contest. Bowlen claimed to want to craft a detente and in fact he would have been the only one who could do it, but he apparently decided he had more important things to do than to meet with Jay when he came to the facility the only time during the crisis. Then, your precious owner had the audacity to cry crocodile tears that his calls weren't being returned. Get off your ****ing ass old man and walk 200 feet to the other room if you want to talk to the guy, he's right ****ing there.

Bowlen had an amazing lack of common sense and allowed himself to get completely hoodwinked by snakes like Joe Ellis. He did nothing while this team burned. He did nothing as this team went to hell in a handbasket, except hide behind others and let them speak for him. Then, after the disaster of 2010, we made our voices clear that we wanted someone legitimately qualified to run things as a true GM and he went out and hired Elway, who had no real experience for the position. It's almost as if he was insulting the intelligence of his fanbase. "I don't care what you think......here's a shiny toy, look its John Elway, its all better". Bowlen is a shell of his former self and our franchise has suffered greatly because of it.

Don't believe me? Look at our franchise, look at how we are regarded. Why do you think THREE coaches declined the oppurtunity to be interviewed. It was widely acknowledged that the "finalists" for our position weren't exactly the cream of the crop. 10 years ago, people would have killed for this job. Now....we are forced to settle. Why do you think that is? Is the whole league wrong in its evaluation of the desireability of being part of our franchise?

This falls squarely in Bowlen's lap. This is the change he wanted. I hope he's happy with the bed he's made. He's not even within shouting distance of being an average owner, currently.

But go on...keep pretending that he just "made a mistake".
I really can't believe there are still people that believe we'd be better off right now if we had kept Shanny and Cutler. I mean seriously?

Did you miss the NFCCG where Cutler took himself out of the game with a bad knee...that he then proceeded to stand on for the rest of the game, watching his team lose?

Did you miss Shanahan's horrid mishandling of both McNabb and Haynesworth, and the complete torpedoing of a previously solid defense into a complete joke (as in a drop from 10th overall to 31st overall)?

Hate to break it to you, but neither of your heroes are what you think they are. Not even close.
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He's not even within shouting distance of being an average owner, currently.
While this is correct, it's hardly fair. Sound just doesn't travel very far at my altitude.
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The mistake was not choosing Josh it was in the insane amount of power he gave the young rookie coach.
that is how he has always run the franchise. the mistake was choosing the wrong coach to bestow that kind of authority to. aside from Wade's 2 years boht Reeves and Shanahan had complete authority over all football operations. it is the system Bowlen liked, so he went with it again. sure it was a mistake, but he rectified that by ending the tenure of McDaniels and changing the system with which he runs the franchise to what we now have.

bad owners don't fix their mistakes and learn from them. they just keep repeating the same patterns. Pat went with what worked for his franchise. Reeves had this team as an upper level team for years and Mike won 2 super bowls wwith the system of letting the coach call all the shots, but once that system no longer worked he adopted a new one.

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He didn't make just "a few mistakes". From 2000-2009, Denver averaged 18.75 in the league in terms of spending actual dollars (on payroll). That's below average. Yet, the old man had the audacity to fire Shanahan for essentially .500 football when .500 football was actually an over-performance compared with the financial investment that was made. If Bowlen was insistent on having the DC replaced, he could have fired him through his inherent authority as owner. Instead, he panicked because there was a very bad ending to the season.

you bring up what Bowlen spent on his team but you are forgeting that Denver also was amongst league leaders in dead money due to bad contracts given by Shanahan. you can't spend what you don't have. and with contracts to guys like Gardener, Carter, Henry and other turds of that ilk that were still counted against the cap even though those guys were no longer giving anything to the team is what drops the number on what he was spending on payroll. it wasn't until like 2008 that the cap number got well under the cap limit

Bowlen fired Shanahan because his message to the team was getting old. players were no longer responding. and for an owner with aspirations of Super Bowl wins .500 football is not the answer. losing the division with a 3 game lead with 3 to go would get almost any coach in the league fired.

Bowlen said repeatedly Mike was his coach for life, but he saw just like many of the fans were seeing, Mike wasn't the answer anymore.



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His "mistakes" weren't merely mistakes but outright lies to the fanbase. First, he said Jay would be the man and wouldn't be traded, yet that didn't happen. Then, he told fans that we would have a real GM-Coach division of power (which was something BTW, the fans wanted and he recognized), but that too didn't come true. Not only did Bowlen repay the decade-plus good service that Jim Goodman provided him with a pink slip, but he reverted exactly back to what he said he was going to avoid by making the coach the only guy with power. And McDaniels was not ready to have such power and probably should never have had it at any point, even if he was successful. Bowlen was nowhere to be seen when his coach starting scheming to trade away the franchise QB and we saw that Bowlen allowed his thugs to start leaking drinking stories about Jay when the team was getting killed PR-wise in order to stem the tide. Perhaps if people leaked his own problems in that regard he'd see how hurtful that would be. Then, in the greatest crisis we've had in decades, Bowlen slithered away like a coward, allowing the principals to get into a perpetual dick measuring contest. Bowlen claimed to want to craft a detente and in fact he would have been the only one who could do it, but he apparently decided he had more important things to do than to meet with Jay when he came to the facility the only time during the crisis. Then, your precious owner had the audacity to cry crocodile tears that his calls weren't being returned. Get off your ****ing ass old man and walk 200 feet to the other room if you want to talk to the guy, he's right ****ing there.
Bowlen said what he believed in the Jay drama. at the time he said it, it was unimaginable that Jay would be traded. it wasn't until Jay turned into a whiny b**** asking for a trade(it is documented he asked for a trade after McDaniels explored the idea of bringing in a QB he liked better) that his words backfired on him. he wasn't saying one thing and then cooking up a scheme behind fans backs. he was saying what he believed and then was left with no other options when it became apparent that his QB was a whiny p***Y who couldn't take criticism and would be unwilling to work with the coach he just hired.

Bowlen was Jay's boss. you don't kiss an employees ass, your employee does what you want and if he doesn't he can work some place else. had he kissed Jay's ass and begged him to play nice and come back to the team i would say Bowlen is a terrible owner, but being that Jay was a whiny b****, and had been a subpar QB with a bad won loss record there is no way Pat should have kissed his ass. he called Jay, McDaniels called him, seems like the men in charge tried to fix the situation, but the whiny b**** wanted no part of it.



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Bowlen had an amazing lack of common sense and allowed himself to get completely hoodwinked by snakes like Joe Ellis. He did nothing while this team burned. He did nothing as this team went to hell in a handbasket, except hide behind others and let them speak for him. Then, after the disaster of 2010, we made our voices clear that we wanted someone legitimately qualified to run things as a true GM and he went out and hired Elway, who had no real experience for the position. It's almost as if he was insulting the intelligence of his fanbase. "I don't care what you think......here's a shiny toy, look its John Elway, its all better". Bowlen is a shell of his former self and our franchise has suffered greatly because of it.
what was he going to do while his team burned? pull an Al Davis and cut off his coaches legs? be like Jerry Jones and call the plays? strap on the pads and take the field? he did what an owner can. listen to advisors he trusts(not saying i agree with or like his advisors) but take advice, look for a new coach which he did, and picked the wrong one.

what true GMs were really available that were qualified with on the job experience? front office guys in Houston? because they have been kicking ass in Houston we really need to bring in the leaders of an annual sub .500 team. maybe could have lured Parcells into a consultant role for a season....maybe. John didn't have the NFL experience, but he knows the game. He knows he doesn't know everything, he built up and had a huge part in crafting an AFL franchise that won league championships.

you talk like guys like Pioli, or Newsome were available and that Pat just said **** those guys i am going to bring back John.


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Don't believe me? Look at our franchise, look at how we are regarded. Why do you think THREE coaches declined the oppurtunity to be interviewed. It was widely acknowledged that the "finalists" for our position weren't exactly the cream of the crop. 10 years ago, people would have killed for this job. Now....we are forced to settle. Why do you think that is? Is the whole league wrong in its evaluation of the desireability of being part of our franchise?

This falls squarely in Bowlen's lap. This is the change he wanted. I hope he's happy with the bed he's made. He's not even within shouting distance of being an average owner, currently.

But go on...keep pretending that he just "made a mistake".
this team right now is regarded as trashed. there is nothing left on it. an agins superstar at Corner, a LT recovering from a bad knee injury, a pass rusher recovering from a season ending injury and a whole lot of nothing else.

with the NFL basically standing for Not For Long, coaches aren't exactly chomping at the bit to take on a job that will take at least 3 years before the team is turned around and a legit contender when they know they aren't going to be given a long term to fix their predecessors mistakes.

do you really think Harbaugh wants his innaugural HC season to be for a team that needs as much work as this one? Greg Williams and Mularkey are on quite possibly their final chances to be an NFL HC and they wanted to wait for the right situation. you don't always take the job just because it is offered unless you think it is the right move for you. Harbaugh, Williams and Mularkey all had their own reasons for why they felt the Denver job was not the right move for them at the time. be it not wanting to begin your career rebuilding a franchise or you want the right spot for your last chance there are going to be personal reasons.

also 10 years ago this team was 2 seasons removed from a super bowl victory, and due to that it would have been believed to not be far from being a contender again. this is a team that needs to be torn down and rebuilt now, and there are not many coaches up to that task of rebuilding a team from nothing. it has nothing to do with Denver being a bad place or Bowlen being a bad owner.
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From 2000-2009, Denver averaged 18.75 in the league in terms of spending actual dollars (on payroll). That's below average. Yet, the old man had the audacity to fire Shanahan for essentially .500 football when .500 football was actually an over-performance compared with the financial investment that was made. If Bowlen was insistent on having the DC replaced, he could have fired him through his inherent authority as owner. Instead, he panicked because there was a very bad ending to the season.
I'm not buying this as Shanahan's downfall. First, I'd like to see a link to other teams payrolls for 10 years, plus whether this was for the full 10 years or just the last few as there was a point it came out that Bowlen was shutting his pocketbook. Second, even if the payroll part is true, over the entire 10 years, you can't sweep under the rug Shanahan's draft, his circus of DC's, or his lack of focus on the defense. Third, I don't believe he would have ever given up the GM part of his job, and I believe THAT was the biggest part of his downfall.

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Bowlen claimed to want to craft a detente and in fact he would have been the only one who could do it, but he apparently decided he had more important things to do than to meet with Jay when he came to the facility the only time during the crisis. Then, your precious owner had the audacity to cry crocodile tears that his calls weren't being returned. Get off your ****ing ass old man and walk 200 feet to the other room if you want to talk to the guy, he's right ****ing there.
I agree with this. Now I was one that did not like Cutler long before the whole fiasco. He was an ass who threw his teammates under the bus and did not recognize his own part in losses. But it takes two to tango and it seemed strange and not realistic that Cutler was the only one that was the ass in this. People chose to believe Bowlen about Cutler not returning phone calls. None of us knows what actually happened but situations like this are rarely one sided.

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Then, after the disaster of 2010, we made our voices clear that we wanted someone legitimately qualified to run things as a true GM and he went out and hired Elway, who had no real experience for the position. It's almost as if he was insulting the intelligence of his fanbase. "I don't care what you think......here's a shiny toy, look its John Elway, its all better". Bowlen is a shell of his former self and our franchise has suffered greatly because of it.
I don't know that this is going to be another downfall. IMO, we just had the best draft in more than 10 years. Who knows why other coaches didn't interview, your take could be spot on. But I do believe they got the best of what was left and a coach who got a team to a SB, is defensive minded I'll take, a VP who was one of the best offensive players to ever play the game, and recognizes that defense is of utmost importance, hell I'm excited to see what happens.

I think Bowlen got rid of Shanahan because it had gotten stale. Bowlen made a bad move back in the 90's by hiring Phillips. It wasn't the disaster McD was but not a good pick. I think Bowlen has done an excellent job at being the owner. When he gets involved with personnel decisions, including head coach, he finally realized he needed help and got it.

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I really can't believe there are still people that believe we'd be better off right now if we had kept Shanny and Cutler. I mean seriously?

Did you miss the NFCCG where Cutler took himself out of the game with a bad knee...that he then proceeded to stand on for the rest of the game, watching his team lose?

Did you miss Shanahan's horrid mishandling of both McNabb and Haynesworth, and the complete torpedoing of a previously solid defense into a complete joke (as in a drop from 10th overall to 31st overall)?

Hate to break it to you, but neither of your heroes are what you think they are. Not even close.
Yup. Well said.
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he, he, he. Rep.

I love me some Broncos. My family would call me an addict. However, its just a game, and last time I checked 31 out of 32 teams went home as losers last year.

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I have a lot of respect for Pat Bowlen and what he's done over the last three decades -- I believe he's a genuinely good, genuinly real person who always does what he thinks is best for the team.

Granted, he's got a few personality quirks (check out the fur coat in my avatar), and he's the second worst public speaker in professional sports (behind Brian Xanders), but I wouldn't trade him for any other owner in the league, to be honest.

To respond to the OP, here's my list, and where I think Bowlen falls as an owner as of today (no credit for past glory, just my confidence in ownership for the coming few years):

1. The community of Green Bay, Green Bay Packers
2. Dan Rooney, Pittsburgh Steelers
3. Robert Kraft, New England Patriots
4. Steve Bisciotti, Baltimore Ravens
5. Arthur Blank, Atlanta Falcons
6. Pat Bowlen, Denver Broncos
7. Tom Benson, New Orleans Saints
8. Bob McNair, Houston Texans
9. Jeffrey Lurie, Philadelphia Eagles
10. Jim Irsay, Indianapolis Colts
11. John Mara & Steve Tisch, New York Giants
12. Woody Johnson, New York Jets
13. Malcolm Glazer, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
14. Alex Spanos, San Diego Chargers
15. Ralph Wilson, Buffalo Bills
16. Clark Hunt, Kansas City Chiefs
17. Virginia McCaskey, Chicago Bears
18. Paul Allen, Seattle Seahawks
19. Randy Lerner, Cleveland Browns
20. Stephen Ross, Miami Dolphins
21. Zygi Wilf, Minnesota Vikings
22. Jerry Jones, Dallas Cowboys
23. Dan Snyder, Washington Redskins
24. Stan Kroenke, St. Louis Rams
25. Jerry Richardson, Carolina Panthers
26. Wayne Weaver, Jacksonville Jaguars
27. Bud Adams, Tennessee Titans
28. Bill Bidwell, Arizona Cardinals
29. John and Denise York, San Francisco 49ers
30. William Clay Ford, Detroit Lions
31. Al Davis, Oakland Raiders
32. Mike Brown, Cincinnati Bengals
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Old 06-06-2011, 06:16 AM   #24
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Look at our franchise, look at how we are regarded. Why do you think THREE coaches declined the oppurtunity to be interviewed. It was widely acknowledged that the "finalists" for our position weren't exactly the cream of the crop. 10 years ago, people would have killed for this job. Now....we are forced to settle. Why do you think that is? Is the whole league wrong in its evaluation of the desireability of being part of our franchise?
I don't know that it's fair to put this all on Bowlen's lap. He certainly deserves some of the blame. But if I'm a top tier NFL head coaching candidate here's what would have made me think twice about coaching in Denver:
1) Working for John Elway (many would probably prefer not to coach in his shadow)
2) Tim Tebow (many probably don't want to saddle themselves with the Tebow experiment)
3) lack of talent on defense (which goes all the way back to the Shanahan years)
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I don't know that it's fair to put this all on Bowlen's lap. He certainly deserves some of the blame. But if I'm a top tier NFL head coaching candidate here's what would have made me think twice about coaching in Denver:
1) Working for John Elway (many would probably prefer not to coach in his shadow)
2) Tim Tebow (many probably don't want to saddle themselves with the Tebow experiment)
3) lack of talent on defense (which goes all the way back to the Shanahan years)
PS. We got the best coach available.
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