If facts don’t lie, is Mexico safer than the U.S.?

[baja]

Originally Posted by worm

Probably a good idea to wait for the head decapitations and the naked bridge hangings to stop prior to starting a thread like this.

I am very well aware of the problems with the drug wars in parts of Mexico.

Did anyone notice the OP is in the form of a question?

[Requiem]

eight children die from gunshots in the us per day.

[Meck77]

53 killed in a casino in Mexico..........

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_18758377

MONTERREY, Mexico—Two dozen gunmen burst into a casino in northern Mexico on Thursday, doused it with gasoline and started a fire that trapped gamblers inside, killing 53 people and injuring a dozen more, authorities said.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Meck77

53 killed in a casino in Mexico..........

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_18758377

MONTERREY, Mexico—Two dozen gunmen burst into a casino in northern Mexico on Thursday, doused it with gasoline and started a fire that trapped gamblers inside, killing 53 people and injuring a dozen more, authorities said.

So does that tragedy somehow make you feel right you cold blooded kock sucker. All I can say is too bad you weren't there to see it first hand.

Oh look 53 people killed in Mexico, I'm right and baja is wrong.

Self absorbed pricks like you is what is wrong with this world. Maybe culling the herd is not a bad idea.

[DBruleU]

Originally Posted by baja

So does that tragedy somehow make you feel right you cold blooded kock sucker. All I can say is too bad you weren't there to see it first hand.

Oh look 53 people killed in Mexico, I'm right and baja is wrong.

Self absorbed pricks like you is what is wrong with this world. Maybe culling the herd is not a bad idea.

Relax old man.

[baja]

Originally Posted by DBruleU

Relax old man.

Guy hunts down an old threat to to post the violent death of 53 people to brag that he is right about which country is safer and you tell me to calm down. What the ℉UCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

[DBruleU]

Originally Posted by baja

Guy hunts down an old threat to to post the violent death of 53 people to brag that he is right about which country is safer and you tell me to calm down. What the ℉UCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

Uh, people always add to older threads, and you don't like it cause you got so royally pwned in this thread.

So yeah, relax old man. Enjoy a margarita as you try to survive that hell hole of a country.

[baja]

Originally Posted by DBruleU

Uh, people always add to older threads, and you don't like it cause you got so royally pwned in this thread.

So yeah, relax old man. Enjoy a margarita as you try to survive that hell hole of a country.

53 PEOPLE DIED A HORRIBLE DEATH AND ALL YOU SEE IS I GOT OWNED IN A THREAD ON A BULL SHIIT MESSAGE BOARD. THE WORLD DOES NEED A CLEANSING.

Oh I know they were only Mexicans right.

[baja]

BTW the OP was in the form of a question but not one of you idiots noticed that. You are like watching a car wreck.

[DBruleU]

Originally Posted by baja

BTW the OP was in the form of a question but not one of you idiots noticed that. You are like watching a car wreck.

Yeah, whatever you say. You know what you were insinuating.

[baja]

Originally Posted by DBruleU

Yeah, whatever you say. You know what you were insinuating.

No you were set up and you all did exactly what I thought would, you flag waving fools. Rome is burning and you doen't even know it. Some of you are getting exactly what you deserve.

You should go gargle with some Draino.

[broncocalijohn]

Originally Posted by baja

I didn't say it was perfect

Still less violant per capata than the USA

"In fact, much of the crime data per capita 1000 population suggests that in many respects Mexico is safer than the U.S.: in assaults the U.S. ranks No. 6, Mexico No. 20; burglaries the U.S. No. 17, Mexico No. 34; car thefts U.S. No. 9, Mexico No. 22; fraud U.S. No. 18, Mexico No. 29; Rape (Canada No.5), U.S. No. 9, Mexico No. 17."

Baja, if you were putting the OP as a question, you sure did respond to every one of us that see Mexico as more dangerous. So, even though you put it as a question, you were defending Mexico and not the USA. Meck did nothing wrong to put it in this thread. If you dont like it, don't make these types of threads or do not defend Mexico. Also, illegal aliens do not make crime here "a few percentage points higher" as you stated on the first page. A huge % of jailbirds are illegals in the LA County jail.

[baja]

Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

Baja, if you were putting the OP as a question, you sure did respond to every one of us that see Mexico as more dangerous. So, even though you put it as a question, you were defending Mexico and not the USA. Meck did nothing wrong to put it in this thread. If you dont like it, don't make these types of threads or do not defend Mexico. Also, illegal aliens do not make crime here "a few percentage points higher" as you stated on the first page. A huge % of jailbirds are illegals in the LA County jail.

How would you like it if I used 9/11 as an example of violence and danger in America? Some things are off limits. 9/11 and 53 freshly killed innocents are among them. We all know what Meck was doing here. It was about him not about the danger of Mexico. No mention of too bad about the loss of life, just na na na baja I am right and you are wrong. Again what is wrong with you people? I never said I agreed with the article not once. I know what is going on here and it is damn scary but the whole world is scary these days more than ever brfore and it is going to get a lot worse. Time to come together as a people and set the nationalism aside. Can you imagine if I used a fresh case of multiple deaths (say a dirty bomb) in the States as an example to make a case Mexico is safer. You guys seem to have the attitude if it happens some where else it's no big deal. Your wrong.

[Meck77]

Originally Posted by baja

So does that tragedy somehow make you feel right you cold blooded kock sucker. All I can say is too bad you weren't there to see it first hand.

Oh look 53 people killed in Mexico, I'm right and baja is wrong.

Self absorbed pricks like you is what is wrong with this world. Maybe culling the herd is not a bad idea.

Originally Posted by baja

You should go gargle with some Draino.

This thread is about the travel safety of Mexico. Mexico just isn't a safe place to visit anymore. This thread isn't about me or anyone in this community but you've made it personal. Thanks for wishing death on us.

That's great Karma.

Just curious. Is wishing death to others something you teach in your breathing classes? "Take a deep breath in............Now wish death upon those that don't agree with you today....Let it out....ahhhhhh"

[alkemical]

I made tamale pie last weekend, it was pretty damned good. My cornmeal wasn't exactly as I remember it should be though.

[jhns]

Originally Posted by baja

How would you like it if I used 9/11 as an example of violence and danger in America? Some things are off limits. 9/11 and 53 freshly killed innocents are among them. We all know what Meck was doing here. It was about him not about the danger of Mexico. No mention of too bad about the loss of life, just na na na baja I am right and you are wrong. Again what is wrong with you people? I never said I agreed with the article not once. I know what is going on here and it is damn scary but the whole world is scary these days more than ever brfore and it is going to get a lot worse. Time to come together as a people and set the nationalism aside. Can you imagine if I used a fresh case of multiple deaths (say a dirty bomb) in the States as an example to make a case Mexico is safer. You guys seem to have the attitude if it happens some where else it's no big deal. Your wrong.

Go ahead and use it. Your violence is from locals. 9-11 was not. We also took care of that, because we care about our citizens... It isn't constantly happening...

Keep trying to save everyone though. You are doing a fantastic job from your bunker in another country...

[DBruleU]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Baja's just one of those really stupid and gullible people that deep down realizes his failure and misery and uses these crazy spins on reality to grasp at some self-image perspective of superiority.

Yeah, but as least he is having great sex at such an old age. Or at least he claimed he was in some stupid thread he made in the past.

Sort of glad he isn't living in the States anymore, we already have Gaffney to deal with.

[DBruleU]

Originally Posted by baja

No you were set up and you all did exactly what I thought would, you flag waving fools. Rome is burning and you doen't even know it. Some of you are getting exactly what you deserve.

You should go gargle with some Draino.

I think you're now just confirming what we have been arguing with that last comment. Why do people in Mexico seem to want to kill people?

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by DBruleU

I think you're now just confirming what we have been arguing with that last comment. Why do people in Mexico seem to want to kill people?

I dunno, a city near me has had about 5 murders in the last week or so. Not 53, but I don't think they were mexican.

[Meck77]

NEW TRAVEL WARNING MEXICO

Mexico

February 08, 2012

The Department of State has issued this Travel Warning to inform U.S. citizens about the security situation in Mexico. General information on the overall security situation is provided immediately below. For information on security conditions in specific regions of Mexico, which can vary, travelers should reference the state-by-state assessments further below.

This Travel Warning supersedes the Travel Warning for Mexico dated April 22, 2011 to consolidate and update information about the security situation and to advise the public of additional restrictions on the travel of U.S. government (USG) personnel.

Continued.........

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p...w/tw_5665.html

[cutthemdown]

Some places in USA are super unsafe. The problem in Mexico is you can't trust the police or govt all the time. Also in Mexico they have way more instances of police actually being killers. You don't see that much in the USA.

But trying to sort through stats to say what country safer for the avg citizen is pretty tough to do. I've never been a victim of violent crime in the USA, or my trips long ago to Mexico. I will never be going back to Mexico, but its not because its not safe, just don't want to really. When I go south now I go to my cousins pad in Costa Rica. Only met him once, only been once, but if i go again that is where i will go. He's a hand doctor that had problems in FLA with being blacklisted for tesifying in a trial anout hand surgeries that weren't needed. Guess he should if STFU lol. But he has done well for himself, costa rican wife, sailboat, really nice place in San Jose outskirts where mostly expats live.

[cutthemdown]

But unless its Somali, Iran, Mynymar etc etc i think you can safely take a cruise there. Don't be scared to go to Cabo or Cancun, im sure the govt making sure the tourists are safe there.

I would however advise against opening up a PI business in Tijuana.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Meck77

NEW TRAVEL WARNING MEXICO

Mexico

February 08, 2012

The Department of State has issued this Travel Warning to inform U.S. citizens about the security situation in Mexico. General information on the overall security situation is provided immediately below. For information on security conditions in specific regions of Mexico, which can vary, travelers should reference the state-by-state assessments further below.

This Travel Warning supersedes the Travel Warning for Mexico dated April 22, 2011 to consolidate and update information about the security situation and to advise the public of additional restrictions on the travel of U.S. government (USG) personnel.

Continued.........

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p...w/tw_5665.html

Yes, yes very dangerous. For God's sake stay away. Not for the chicken hearted....

Damn there are two shadowy figures at the gate now..... That looks like a marchetti......

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Tulsa is probably as dangerous as Mexico right now.

[alkemical]

http://www.disinfo.com/2012/04/mexic...fbi-informant/

Richard A. Serrano writes in the LA Times:

Police and federal agents pulled the car over in a suburb north of Denver. An FBI agent showed his badge. The driver appeared not startled at all. “My friend,” he said, “I have been waiting for you.”

And with that, Jesus Audel Miramontes-Varela stepped out of his white 2002 BMW X5 and into the arms of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Over the next several days at his ranch in Colorado and an FBI safe house in Albuquerque, the Mexican cartel chieftain — who had reputedly fed one of his victims to lions in Mexico — was transformed into one of the FBI’s top informants on the Southwest border.

Around a dining room table in August 2010, an FBI camera whirring above, the 34-year-old Miramontes-Varela confessed his leadership in the Juarez cartel, according to 75 pages of confidential FBI interview reports obtained by The Times/Tribune Washington Bureau.

Read More: LA Times

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,4316298.story