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[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

The stalemate on the western front would have been a big victory for Germany -- if the US had stayed out. Germany had not been defeated -- which was the British purpose for declaring war in the first place: to nip the German challenge to Britain in the bud. They failed to do that -- until the US entered the war.

I am trying to get you to see the striking parallels between the situation then - and now. We fought a war of independence against the crown -- then another war in 1812 -- and later despite all of this we joined at the hip with the Brits. The London bankers and NY bankers formed an alliance -- after the great crash in 1929 --- and ever since have been wreaking mayhem throughout the world. This continues.

The US empire is in decline -- yet even so - the wars for world domination will continue until one of two things happen. Either the US will default on its debt and suffer irreversible economic collapse -- or the US will finally set off WW III.

The first alternative, though horrific -- would be preferable. I hope for the first =-- but expect the second.

The only thing that can prevent either of these -- is an awakening of the American people -- and a second American revolution.

Seriously, Gaffney, stop making a complete fool of yourself again and read some actual history, instead of making up wild fantasies to fit your idiotic conspiracy theories.

Try looking up the Treaty Of London, 1839:

The 1839 Treaty of London derives its significance from Article 7, which bound Britain to guard the neutrality of Belgium in the event of the latter's invasion.

The German Government, intending to do just that so as to reach France (specifically Paris) all the faster in the opening weeks of the First World War, asked the British government in August 1914 to effectively ignore the "scrap of paper" committing Britain to the defence of Belgium. Britain refused, Germany invaded Belgium anyway: and Prime Minister Asquith took Britain into the Great War on 4 August 1914.

http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/london1839.htm

Add the fact that the German fleet was the main threat to Britain and a battle between them was inevitable.

You ramble on as if Britain were the only country fighting Germany, Austria-Hungary, Turkey etc; there were many other countries involved in WW1:

France France
British Empire
Russia (1914–17)
United States (1917–18)
Italy (1915–18)
Japan
Belgium
Serbia
Romania (1916–18)
Greece (1917–18)
Portugal Portugal (1916–18)
Montenegro (1914–16)
and others

[mhgaffney]

You are not convincing Brit.

The history books are written by the victors. You have to look deeper if you want to understand the real history. Your smug attitude shows that you have not gone there.

All you have to do to know the truth of this is to ask yourself: Why does history keep repeating itself?

The great Irish writer James Joyce gave the answer: Because "History is the nightmare from which I am trying to awaken..."

Why is this question so important? Albert Einstein gave the answer when he said: "I do not know the manner in which WW III will be fought, but I can say with confidence that WW IV will be fought with sticks and stones..."

Word to that effect.

[Missouribronc]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

You are not convincing Brit.

The history books are written by the victors. You have to look deeper if you want to understand the real history. Your smug attitude shows that you have not gone there.

All you have to do to know the truth of this is to ask yourself: Why does history keep repeating itself?

The great Irish writer James Joyce gave the answer: Because "History is the nightmare from which I am trying to awaken..."

Why is this question so important? Albert Einstein gave the answer when he said: "I do not know the manner in which WW III will be fought, but I can say with confidence that WW IV will be fought with sticks and stones..."

Word to that effect.

lol.

Setting: Kaiser Wilhelm's private library, June 1, 1914, with Chancellor of the Exchequer David George

DG: Look, Freddy...I'm telling you, you assassinate Ferdy, blame it on the Serbs...
KW: Now, hold on, I like Ferdy, we had a wonderful golfing outing in Ireland last year.
DG: I know, but look...let me settle with you, we both know this royalty thing is on the outs. I mean look at the unrest in Russia. If you assassinate Ferdy, blame it on the Serbs, and then invade France, that's the perfect scenario for both you and me politically. I can send the British forces to France, but we can fail miserably, let you take over that god foresaken piece of property, and then both you and I can advance politically.
KW: I don't know, that sounds kind of risky. What if the Americans decide to get involved?
DG: Pff...don't worry about that, me and Woody are tight. He'll understand. We had drinks last weekend.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

You are not convincing Brit.

The history books are written by the victors. You have to look deeper if you want to understand the real history. Your smug attitude shows that you have not gone there.

All you have to do to know the truth of this is to ask yourself: Why does history keep repeating itself?

The great Irish writer James Joyce gave the answer: Because "History is the nightmare from which I am trying to awaken..."

Why is this question so important? Albert Einstein gave the answer when he said: "I do not know the manner in which WW III will be fought, but I can say with confidence that WW IV will be fought with sticks and stones..."

Word to that effect.

...you calling someone smug is laughable. Not only are you a smug prick, but you are also so dumb that you couldn't find your ass with either hand.

[Garcia Bronco]

Oh...and btw...its wasn't a serb that killed him. It was Bosnians specifically.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

You are not convincing Brit.

The history books are written by the victors. You have to look deeper if you want to understand the real history. Your smug attitude shows that you have not gone there.

All you have to do to know the truth of this is to ask yourself: Why does history keep repeating itself?

The great Irish writer James Joyce gave the answer: Because "History is the nightmare from which I am trying to awaken..."

Why is this question so important? Albert Einstein gave the answer when he said: "I do not know the manner in which WW III will be fought, but I can say with confidence that WW IV will be fought with sticks and stones..."

Word to that effect.

Because idiots like you don't read history.

And you calling anyone smug is irony gold.

Run along Gaffney, school's out, you failed miserably.

[alkemical]

Why does history keep repeating itself?

Humans have a case of terminal stupidity....

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

Because idiots like you don't read history.

And you calling anyone smug is irony gold.

Run along Gaffney, school's out, you failed miserably.

I not only read history extensively -- I have authored several books on history.

You and the other clowns on the OM trashed my books -- without reading them. That takes some intellect.

BTW, the newest, Black 9/11, will be released, next September.

I posted a couple of the chapters, here, but again -- you trashed them without even a look see.

This is the curious lunacy of the OM -- which appears to be representative of the US at this time. We are a nation of people who do not read (reports, least of all) yet expect the world to bow down and kiss our feet.

You err (again) by assuming this will continue indefinitely. Well, that ain't gonna happen.
MHG

[DenverBrit]

Hey, Gaffney.............



You don't write history, you try and invent it. You remind me of a French historian:

"Count Carlo Sforza, Italian foreign minister, defined the differences between the Italians and the French after World War II. He said to me: ‘Simple. The Italians must forget a defeat. The French must invent a victory. Our task is infinitely easier. ...’”

--Luigi Barzini

[alkemical]

http://www.amazon.com/Man-High-Castl.../dp/0679740678

Editorial Reviews
From Publishers Weekly
Dick's Hugo Award-winning 1962 alternative history considers the question of what would have happened if the Allied Powers had lost WWII. Some 20 years after that loss, the United States and much of the world has now been split between Japan and Germany, the major hegemonic states. But the tension between these two powers is mounting, and this stress is playing out in the western U.S. Through a collection of characters in various states of posing (spies, sellers of falsified goods, others with secret identities), Dick provides an intriguing tale about life and history as it relates to authentic and manufactured reality. Tom Weiner reveals an impressive vocal range that delivers the host of characters with distinct culture, class and gender personas, which helps to sort the various plot strands. His prose reading is engaging, though sometimes lacks sufficient emphasis and energy.
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. --This text refers to the Audio CD edition.
Product Description
It's America in 1962. Slavery is legal once again. the few Jews who still survive hide under assumed names. In San Francisco the I Ching is as common as the Yellow Pages. All because some 20 years earlier the United States lost a war--and is now occupied jointly by Nazi Germany and Japan.

This harrowing, Hugo Award-winning novel is the work that established Philip K. Dick as an innovator in science fiction while breaking the barrier between science fiction and the serious novel of ideas. In it Dick offers a haunting vision of history as a nightmare from which it may just be possible to awake.

[gyldenlove]

Originally Posted by alkemical

http://www.amazon.com/Man-High-Castl.../dp/0679740678

Editorial Reviews
From Publishers Weekly
Dick's Hugo Award-winning 1962 alternative history considers the question of what would have happened if the Allied Powers had lost WWII. Some 20 years after that loss, the United States and much of the world has now been split between Japan and Germany, the major hegemonic states. But the tension between these two powers is mounting, and this stress is playing out in the western U.S. Through a collection of characters in various states of posing (spies, sellers of falsified goods, others with secret identities), Dick provides an intriguing tale about life and history as it relates to authentic and manufactured reality. Tom Weiner reveals an impressive vocal range that delivers the host of characters with distinct culture, class and gender personas, which helps to sort the various plot strands. His prose reading is engaging, though sometimes lacks sufficient emphasis and energy.
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. --This text refers to the Audio CD edition.
Product Description
It's America in 1962. Slavery is legal once again. the few Jews who still survive hide under assumed names. In San Francisco the I Ching is as common as the Yellow Pages. All because some 20 years earlier the United States lost a war--and is now occupied jointly by Nazi Germany and Japan.

This harrowing, Hugo Award-winning novel is the work that established Philip K. Dick as an innovator in science fiction while breaking the barrier between science fiction and the serious novel of ideas. In it Dick offers a haunting vision of history as a nightmare from which it may just be possible to awake.

Philip Roth - The plot against America

Great alternate history novel, Charles Lindbergh wins the presidential election over Roosevelt and refuses to take American into world war 2.

[gyldenlove]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Oh...and btw...its wasn't a serb that killed him. It was Bosnians specifically.

God damnit, I wrote that in some thread or another around here and people have already forgotten, such a waste of creative talent.

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by gyldenlove

Philip Roth - The plot against America

Great alternate history novel, Charles Lindbergh wins the presidential election over Roosevelt and refuses to take American into world war 2.

I own that book. Its a good one.

[alkemical]

Great, now i'm definitely not going to read it...

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

I own that book. Its a good one.

It is good. Practically anything written Roth is worth reading. Portnoy's Compaint, Sabbath's Theater, American Pastoral, The Human Stain....and on and on. On of the few true giants of contemporary American literature.

[Arkie]

Originally Posted by alkemical

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/04...tcmp=obnetwork

Samurai Sword-Wielding Bin Laden Hunter Demands Share of U.S. Reward

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/04...#ixzz1LyNJLD00


DENVER, Colo. -- A samurai sword-wielding American who waged his own personal quest to capture Usama bin Laden demanded Tuesday a share of the official $27 million reward following the terror chief's death.

Gary Faulkner, a construction worker from Greeley, Colo., who came to international attention after being arrested in Pakistan last year, told ABC News he had served the Al Qaeda leader "up on a platter" for U.S. authorities.

"I had a major hand and play in this wonderful thing, getting him out of the mountains and down to the valleys ... Someone had to get him out of there. That's where I came in," he said. "I scared the squirrel out of his hole, he popped his head up and he got capped.

"I'm proud of our boys, I'm very proud of our government ... They were handed this opportunity on a platter from myself."

Bin Laden was killed by U.S. Navy SEALs during a raid on a compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan on Sunday.

Faulkner, who was found with a pistol, a samurai sword, night vision goggles and a map when detained by Pakistani authorities last June, said while his quest was not about money, he deserved some compensation.

"It wasn't about me. I wanted to bring him to justice. I'm not greedy, but I sold everything I had and I put my life on the line," he said.

And Faulkner flatly rejected the suggestion that bin Laden had been living in the high-security compound in Pakistan for years.

"He hadn't been living there for no damn six years," Faulkner said. "I absolutely flushed him out."

The State Department said it would not comment on the reward.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/04...#ixzz1LyNN0AMy

Gary was the kind of guy who would give you the shirt off his back. Gary could eat prodigious amounts of chicken wings. Gary was an inventive contractor and carpenter who excelled at tile countertops. Gary was always joking around. Gary disappeared every now and again to hunt down Osama bin Laden.

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

Hey, Gaffney.............



You don't write history, you try and invent it. You remind me of a French historian:

How would you know what I write? You refuse even to look at it.

Someone please tell Brit -- he will not listen to me -- that at the turn of the 20th century the British empire was the largest and most successful empire the world had ever known, up to that point.

They said the sun never set on it.

Go back and look at Brit's posts. He seems to think that England was only one of a dozen or so nations involved in WW I.

No -- here's the reality: WW I was an epic struggle between two rivals -- Germany and Britain. The war happened because Britain, though in decline -- refused to fade quietly into history --

In fact, it took a second great world conflagration, before Britain was finally exhausted.

Brit and the other knee jerks fail to see the lesson of history -- sitting at the end of their proverbial nose. The lesson is that we in the US are now retracing the steps taken by the Brits -- at that time. We are waging war after war for the same reasons that Britain did at the start of the 20th century.

To maintain US hegemony world wide. And to do that we must control all major oil fields and mineral resources. This puts us on a collision course with Russia, China, and other nations that refuse to follow orders. This is why the CIA attempted to overthrow Chavez -- and why we are presently attempting to take down Ghadaffi -- just as we did Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega, and many others.

The project will continue until the

1. the US economy implodes, once and for all
2. we touch off nuclear war
3. some unexpected earth-cataclysm cripples the US

MHG

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

No -- here's the reality: WW I was an epic struggle between two rivals -- Germany and Britain. 1. The war happened because Britain, though in decline -- refused to fade quietly into history --


The project will continue until the

1. 2. the US economy implodes, once and for all
2. we touch off nuclear war
3. 3. some unexpected earth-cataclysm cripples the US
MHG

1. You are completely wrong, but that is not surprising. WWI actually the result of a series of wars and treaties signed in the 19th century as a result of one continental power or another trying to dominate all of Europe. The end result was a ridiculous system of alliances that would have triggered at minimum a continental war and at worst a world war.

2. You seem to be hoping for this.

3. Just the US? Again, you are hoping for this.

You continually side with marxist or dictatorial lines of thought. Coupled with your propensity for conspiracies you sound like a lil baby Stalin.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

How would you know what I write? You refuse even to look at it.

Someone please tell Brit -- he will not listen to me -- that at the turn of the 20th century the British empire was the largest and most successful empire the world had ever known, up to that point.

They said the sun never set on it.

Go back and look at Brit's posts. He seems to think that England was only one of a dozen or so nations involved in WW I.

No -- here's the reality: WW I was an epic struggle between two rivals -- Germany and Britain. The war happened because Britain, though in decline -- refused to fade quietly into history --

In fact, it took a second great world conflagration, before Britain was finally exhausted.

Brit and the other knee jerks fail to see the lesson of history -- sitting at the end of their proverbial nose. The lesson is that we in the US are now retracing the steps taken by the Brits -- at that time. We are waging war after war for the same reasons that Britain did at the start of the 20th century.

To maintain US hegemony world wide. And to do that we must control all major oil fields and mineral resources. This puts us on a collision course with Russia, China, and other nations that refuse to follow orders. This is why the CIA attempted to overthrow Chavez -- and why we are presently attempting to take down Ghadaffi -- just as we did Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega, and many others.

The project will continue until the

1. the US economy implodes, once and for all
2. we touch off nuclear war
3. some unexpected earth-cataclysm cripples the US

MHG

I know what you write.

Your lunacy and ignorance is all over this board.