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Old 04-28-2011, 08:24 AM   #151
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Von must feel that it is a waste of his time to tackle players after they get past the line of scrimmage. His effort off the snap is excellent, but if the play goes the other way, he gives a half hearted effort and lets others do the work. He has the talent to be a good cover linebacker, but it looks like to me that it is not a priority or he just doesn't care. All I can say is that I think Von is interested in two stats: "sacks" and "tackles behind the line of scrimmage". If he can add an interception or two to the mix, then that's all right with him, but it's not a priority. Being able to play football at the next level successfully starts by playing football at the college level to the best of your abilities on every play and not just the ones you decide you want to play. Von is a smart kid who thinks that if he does one thing and does it well that this will be his ticket to success at the next level. I just disagree. I know Von with all his awards and workouts will be drafted early, but as I say all the time, "it takes more than talent to play in the NFL" -- it takes heart, character and hard work as well.
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Old 04-28-2011, 08:29 AM   #152
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Someone mentioned it earlier....and it got me worried. Help me feel better that the chances of Miller becoming another Vernon Gholston are low.........
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After TAKING him at #5 for a great fit in AZ in the OM Mock Draft:

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Was really hoping the top 4 shook out a little different. I had to take Von Miller and I'm already having Vernon Gholston nightmares.
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Old 04-28-2011, 08:30 AM   #153
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One guy. Plus, I said "most of his career," not all of it.
Well, considering they play a 3-4 and Franklin is the one DIRECTLY in front of Willis, I'd say that's something.

And I don't understand what you're saying about "most" not "all". Both players have been with the 9ers for the same amount of seasons (since 97).

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Bryant Young was well past his prime. Justin Smith is decent, but in any case a DE not a space eater that would occupy blockers to benefit a LB. My point is correct.
Ummmm, that is precisely what Aubrayo Franklin is for. You know, one of the best nose tackles in the league for the last few years....the guy who plays directly in front of said LB. But whatever. Keep pretending he's been playing with nothing but garbage.
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Old 04-28-2011, 08:32 AM   #155
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Welllllllllll I don't agree with that at all.

I have questions about Miller along with things I love. Effort and care and heart and work are not among those questions.
Exactly. And to be fair to Von, the reason he probably focused exclusively on sacks/tackles for loss is because that's what the coaches wanted him to do out of the joker spot. I have no doubts that if Fox/Allen ask him to cover, he will do it and with maximum effort.
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For the ONE GAZILLIONITH TIME, HE WILL NOT BE A TRADITIONAL SAM. HE WILL BE MOVED ALL OVER THE FIELD TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ZONE BLITZES. Think of him more like Merriman in his prime, DeMarcus Ware, those types except maybe more athletic
If we actually do this with Miller I'm more ok with selection.
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Peterson or Dareus or GTFO.

That is all.
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I have the sneaky suspicion that the best defensive player taken in this first round will end up being Nick Fairley. I want him in the O&B, but I'll be okay with a trade down if it's rich enough. If Miller or Peterson are the pick, it will work out okay, perhaps. In a couple of years Fox can use one of them for trade bait when he gets serious about building a defensive line. That's all I've wanted for the Broncos for a decade or so now. We have the chance to do it now. Will the FO go instead for the "bling?" I don't know. I hope not. Build the lines. First. Now.
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God I hope you guys don't select Miller. He's the best player in the draft IMO.

Would be kinda weird though. Miller's favorite player and mentor that he wants to be like is Derrick Thomas. Very fitting that one of Thomas' biggest rivals is the man drafting him.
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I have the sneaky suspicion that the best defensive player taken in this first round will end up being Nick Fairley. I want him in the O&B, but I'll be okay with a trade down if it's rich enough. If Miller or Peterson are the pick, it will work out okay, perhaps. In a couple of years Fox can use one of them for trade bait when he gets serious about building a defensive line. That's all I've wanted for the Broncos for a decade or so now. We have the chance to do it now. Will the FO go instead for the "bling?" I don't know. I hope not. Build the lines. First. Now.
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[T]hat's the thing the "DL or bust at #2" crowd can't seem to wrap their minds around....one pick isn't going to make or break the DL. The Lions D still sucked even with Suh playing like an animal right out of the gate. We have other picks plus FA to address DL. I think people are just overly sensitive about it after Shanny ignored the DL for YEARS. But it wasn't one pick here or there that created the problem; it was YEARS of neglecting the DL in the draft and counting on FA also-rans like McGlockton, Leon Lett, IHOP and the Browncos (though to be fair, the Browncos worked out OK for one season) to make an impact.
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I've personally never been impressed with players coming out of Texas.
I hope Von Miller can prove me wrong if we indeed end up selecting him.

I still like Marcell Dareus. Can't go wrong there with a player from Alabama.
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[T]hat's the thing the "DL or bust at #2" crowd can't seem to wrap their minds around....one pick isn't going to make or break the DL. The Lions D still sucked even with Suh playing like an animal right out of the gate. We have other picks plus FA to address DL. I think people are just overly sensitive about it after Shanny ignored the DL for YEARS. But it wasn't one pick here or there that created the problem; it was YEARS of neglecting the DL in the draft and counting on FA also-rans like McGlockton, Leon Lett, IHOP and the Browncos (though to be fair, the Browncos worked out OK for one season) to make an impact.
Everybody likes to talk about the philosophy of "great teams begin with great lines" but few teams make the investment.
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Everybody likes to talk about the philosophy of "great teams begin with great lines" but few teams make the investment.
Right. But my point is, not taking DL at #2 does not mean we can't still make that investment. I highly doubt the DL is going to get totally ignored like it did under Shanny. We need defensive playmakers wherever we can get them.
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Everybody likes to talk about the philosophy of "great teams begin with great lines" but few teams make the investment.
Houston is whipping some serious ass with that philosophy.
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Interestingly they are trying to trade up to get PP
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Interestingly they are trying to trade up to get PP
...by shopping former "can't miss" DT Amobi Okoye with an assload of draft picks.

Oh, the irony.
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BTW Beantown....mea culpa. I honestly forgot about Franklin, so my use of the word "garbage" was hyperbole. Though I'm still don't think their DL is that great as a unit. Smith and Young have been on the decline for awhile. Smith, in particular, I've always felt was overated. But, yeah, that was "foot in mouth moment."
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Interestingly they are trying to trade up to get PP
Btw... they selected him over Revis.

How do you think they look back on that move?
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An interesting question for you Miller Fan boys , name the top impact SAM LB's in the NFL today, and how many of them are worth a top 5 pick?
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...by shopping former "can't miss" DT Amobi Okoye with an assload of draft picks.

Oh, the irony.
I don't even know how well Okoye is doing, would he be an upgrade to what we have?
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I don't even know how well Okoye is doing, would he be an upgrade to what we have?
He's a warm body, at least.
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How old is Okoye now? 25? I don't ever watch them play so I have no idea what a bust he really is, but wasn't he drafted when he was 19 or something? You'd have to think the guy still has a lot of developing he could be doing. If Houston threw out their first two picks this year along with a 1st next year plus Okoye I would probably jump on it.
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