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Old 04-26-2011, 05:10 AM   #1
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LSU's Peterson best player at wrong position for Broncos


Patrick Peterson makes sense for the Broncos to draft only if taking a great player makes sense.

Otherwise, he's not a fit, because of his position.

Peterson, a Louisiana State junior, is a shutdown cornerback. If there's one position the defensive-weak Broncos have covered, it's shutdown corner. Champ Bailey has played in 10 Pro Bowls, an NFL record for a cornerback.

The Broncos also have not one but two potential starters at right cornerback: Andre Goodman and Perrish Cox.

It also might not make financial sense for the Broncos to draft Peterson on Thursday. While it's uncertain what the NFL's new collective bargaining agreement will be, under the old agreement the No. 2 overall pick would get a contract worth up to $75 million, with $45 million guaranteed.

The Broncos just signed Bailey to a $43 million contract, with $22 million guaranteed. A similar investment in Peterson wouldn't leave the Broncos much money to address their many needs along their defensive front seven.

So it seems incomprehensible that the Broncos would use the No. 2 pick of the draft to strengthen one of their few strengths. Just not as incomprehensible as Peterson is as a player.

Two sets of numbers boggle the most skeptical of NFL minds: 219 and 4.34. Peterson, 6- 1/2 and 219 pounds, runs the 40-yard dash in 4.34 seconds.

"I had Rod Woodson, Gil Byrd, (Terry McDaniel). I've had some pretty good guys," Broncos coach John Fox said. "I've never seen anything like this kid. That size and that speed . . ."

Woodson is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The comparisons don't end there.

"Guys taken recently, he's better than (Terence) Newman, better than (Joe) Haden. Better, more disciplined than DeAngelo Hall and better than Dunta Robinson," said Charley Casserly, a 16-year NFL general manager who now works for CBS.

Newman was the No. 5 pick of the Dallas Cowboys in the 2003 draft. Haden went No. 7 to Cleveland last year. Hall went No. 8 to Atlanta in 2004, the year Houston took Robinson at No. 10. All of those corners have been solid contributors.






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Old 04-26-2011, 07:19 AM   #2
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My guess is that either he or Champ would move to safety.
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Old 04-26-2011, 07:27 AM   #3
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He is the best player.

Don't give a **** about the $.

I want a player who can be with the franchise for a long time and contribute at a high level.

He is the player to do that.

Though, he will probably GTFO after his initial contract here if we keep sucking like we have been for the past half decade.

C'mon down, Peterson!
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Old 04-26-2011, 07:38 AM   #4
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The Article sums it up... We dont need a Corner.

i prefer building the Front 7 and let the Corners we have (which are a solid group) benefit from (hopefully) better play up front.

2005 Bengals style with Ex Broncos Deltha Oneil and Tory James. Looked like 2 Deion Sanders on the field due to the QB pressure that team was getting.
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Bailey -- All-Pro/Pro-Bowler, getting older.
Goodman -- Average, getting older.
Cox -- Solid player, but legal problems.
Thompson -- Quality nickel or dime CB.

Who else do we even have?

We can do better EVERYWHERE on defense.
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Old 04-26-2011, 07:45 AM   #6
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I only read the headline....Is the author trying to say you shouldn't take BPA in the first round? What a douche.
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build up the front 7 and we can field a mediocre and aging secondary and it will look just fine playing behind a good front 7. no need to invest over potentially 100 Million of which about 70 Million would be guaranteed on the CB position.
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Bailey -- All-Pro/Pro-Bowler, getting older.
Goodman -- Average, getting older.
Cox -- Solid player, but legal problems.
Thompson -- Quality nickel or dime CB.

Who else do we even have?

We can do better EVERYWHERE on defense.
Totally. You need to have a stud at each level of the D. We have an aging Secondary, and thin on talent as a whole. No matter which stud we end up with, we are going to be far better for it.

Most people here also seem to think that rookie DT's have some instant magical impact. I'm sorry, but DT's need to develop, and sometimes their learning curve is pretty steep depending on scheme, system - and well - talent.

Drafting the best talent for the D of this team, is the way to go. For "right now" holes, i'd rather sign a few FA vets to short term contracts and develop players to push/replace those guys.

Watch good teams, that's what they do. Bad teams expect rookies to be their saviors.
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build up the front 7 and we can field a mediocre and aging secondary and it will look just fine playing behind a good front 7. no need to invest over potentially 100 Million of which about 70 Million would be guaranteed on the CB position.
Give me a list of rookie DT's, that had an immediate impact for the full course of a 16 game season.
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Bailey -- All-Pro/Pro-Bowler, getting older.
Goodman -- Average, getting older.
Cox -- Solid player, but legal problems.
Thompson -- Quality nickel or dime CB.

Who else do we even have?

We can do better EVERYWHERE on defense.
I read that as a shutdown corner the team believes in still.
A Solid Vet starter who plays well.
A young bonehead that has talent and hopefully will be one team for years to come.
And another talented young guy who has potential.

id list out D line and LBs in the similar way but, that would be depressing. Hell i think there is only 2 DTs on the roster anyway. CB is the strongest position on the Denver Broncos D. I'd rather invest in front 7 talent this year and wait for a shot at the next peterson, bailey, sanders, woodson, revis, etc to come along.
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I read that as a shutdown corner the team believes in still.
A Solid Vet starter who plays well.
A young bonehead that has talent and hopefully will be one team for years to come.
And another talented young guy who has potential.

id list out D line and LBs in the similar way but, that would be depressing. Hell i think there is only 2 DTs on the roster anyway. CB is the strongest position on the Denver Broncos D. I'd rather invest in front 7 talent this year and wait for a shot at the next peterson, bailey, sanders, woodson, revis, etc to come along.


I don't want Cox anywhere on this team for his bull****.
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Most people here also seem to think that rookie DT's have some instant magical impact. I'm sorry, but DT's need to develop, and sometimes their learning curve is pretty steep depending on scheme, system - and well - talent.

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I agree, But you have to acquire those DT's at some point if you'd like to develop them. I think we might finally have a coach that would commit to developing a strong point of attack on D and Bring some good D back to Denver.
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Generally, you can't go wrong with taking the best player. Redskins had a pretty damn good corner when they took Champ, and then again when they took fred Smoot. Its a solid decision to have your hOF vet teach the young kid.

I'm all about D-line play but taking the best player just seems like the best strategy for such high picks.
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Goodman doesn't play well.

Cox, as I said, is talented and has loads of potential -- on the field and to be a turd off the field.

Thompson, who I talked up all last year before the draft, is fine as a nickel or dime back.

I'm not thinking of getting a player that helps right now, but in the future too. Goodman isn't going to be on the Broncos for more than a few years. Eventually, Champ will probably play safety.

There is nothing wrong with selecting a premier player.

CB may be our strongest position on D, but that isn't saying much when your defense couldn't even shut down Moranis' Little Giants.

I want a guy who can contribute for a long time.

Not saying Dareus can't (he is my #2 choice behind Peterson) -- but I don't think he has the impact Peterson will have as a rookie.

And yeah, our DL sucks. If we go Peterson at #2, I hope two of our next three selections are DL.

I just want the best value at #2, the player with the shortest LTI and the highest IA. To me, that is Patrick Peterson.

People can stop with the logical fallacies that if we take Peterson at #2, we fail. That isn't a fail. That is a huge success because he should go #1 overall, but the Panthers are retarded. WEE.
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I agree, But you have to acquire those DT's at some point if you'd like to develop them. I think we might finally have a coach that would commit to developing a strong point of attack on D and Bring some good D back to Denver.
Right, and if Denver takes Peterson they have three selections amongst rounds 2 and 3 to get those guys.

Do they run the risk of running out on one of the better players? Sure.

Dareus, Liuget and Fairley are Tier 1 DT's.

There are about 5 Tier 2 DT's, guys who will have good NFL careers.

Then there are about 3-5 other mid-round DT's who are better than anyone on our roster.

I don't think the Broncos are going to be short on options to upgrade their DL.
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After a solid 2009, Goodman was pretty terrible last season. Cox was decent, but certainly not anything to write home about, plus he's probably going to get suspended if he doesn't end up in jail. The Squid is a promising nickle/dime guy. That's not a "solid" group by any means. We need defensive help at all levels.
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^ Preach on brother.

The funny thing about people knocking Peterson at #2, is that many of these same people (after researching their posts) advocate drafting players like:

Marvin Austin, who hasn't played football competitively in a year, and will not be in "football shape" or condition for camp.

Robert Quinn, Austin's teammate who has a brain tumor and was also suspended for being a dip****.

Phil Taylor, serious medical condition questions regarding foot and character concerns.

Other crappy players with injury concerns, character issues and overall just not good fits, etc.

Then you also have the people on the board who advocate drafting the same type of DT, etc. -- but projecting them to play the spot inside they are not suited for.

Hilarity.

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Right, and if Denver takes Peterson they have three selections amongst rounds 2 and 3 to get those guys.

Do they run the risk of running out on one of the better players? Sure.

Dareus, Liuget and Fairley are Tier 1 DT's.

There are about 5 Tier 2 DT's, guys who will have good NFL careers.

Then there are about 3-5 other mid-round DT's who are better than anyone on our roster.

I don't think the Broncos are going to be short on options to upgrade their DL.
Or they can Take Von Miller, and use 2nd and 3rd rounds to sure up DT... which i would prefer if there is no Trade back scenario. thats just my opinion.

Theres a Draft every year and there will always be more "Can't Miss" players. I just think the front 7 needs the investment now if the Broncos are going to be back in the post season in 2 years.
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After a solid 2009, Goodman was pretty terrible last season. Cox was decent, but certainly not anything to write home about, plus he's probably going to get suspended if he doesn't end up in jail. The Squid is a promising nickle/dime guy. That's not a "solid" group by any means. We need defensive help at all levels.
OK, i don't like Cox either but its the NFL and he's on the team. Goodman was all injured and such. I'll also give lots of guys passes since the team was so poorly managed for 2010.

Its a Solid group. the most solid on the Defense.
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Bailey -- All-Pro/Pro-Bowler, getting older.
Goodman -- Average, getting older.
Cox -- Solid player, but legal problems.
Thompson -- Quality nickel or dime CB.

Who else do we even have?

We can do better EVERYWHERE on defense.
Vaughn is still on the team, right? I'd put him in a similar pool with Thompson. Good nickel/dime/ST types.

An important factor to consider with Peterson is his versatility to play safety as well. Our new DC made some good things happen as a DB coach with Malcom Jenkins and his versatility. Peterson is a far superior talent to him. Being able to move him around the field is a big plus from a scheme standpoint and fixes the big secondary problem no one has any good suggestions on, the horrible safety play.
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I think the whole defense needs investment now, which is why I'm advocating drafting an elite prospect (truly, the only one in my mind in this draft) in Peterson -- and taking the best DL and LB's available at #36, #46 and #67.

That way, we can address all levels of our defense, and hope that doing that (the smart move, addressing them all) will pay dividends in the future.

And I like Von Miller too, but I'm just not sure where you project him starting on this defense. Is it DE, so we have two of the same type of player at ends, which could be a liability against the run, or will he be a Joker like Thomas Davis was for Fox with the Panthers?

Either way, Peterson | Dareus | Miller give us a nice young prospect to build a defense around for the future.

I will be STOKED for any of them.

I just don't get the tunnel vision.
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Vaughn is still on the team, right? I'd put him in a similar pool with Thompson. Good nickel/dime/ST types.

An important factor to consider with Peterson is his versatility to play safety as well. Our new DC made some good things happen as a DB coach with Malcom Jenkins and his versatility. Peterson is a far superior talent to him. Being able to move him around the field is a big plus from a scheme standpoint and fixes the big secondary problem no one has any good suggestions on, the horrible safety play.
Malcolm Jenkins
Tracy Porter
Patrick Robinson

I think these are all guys the Saints drafted while Allen was there, all good players or will be great IMHO. (Loved Robinson!) You make a very good point, Drek.

Couple that in with the fact that Fox was a DB coach too, and I think those two are getting really excited about what they could do with a guy like Peterson.

He will do more than what people just expect out of a cornerback. His versatility cannot be understated.
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I forgot about Vaughn too, speed demon and great on special teams. To expect him to be anything more than depth though, might be a little too much. Who knows, he could surprise.
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I agree, But you have to acquire those DT's at some point if you'd like to develop them. I think we might finally have a coach that would commit to developing a strong point of attack on D and Bring some good D back to Denver.
I'm not saying that we don't need to aquire talent, i'm just stating that @ #2: take the best player - regardless of need. Our D is devoid of real young talent. Our need, actually is the whole damn D!
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Von Miller Would play SAM. I have zero Tunnel Vision as well. Peterson is worth the 2nd pick. I just not for the Broncos, IMO. if We take him, i'll just hope it works out like i have for so many other picks i didnt agree with.

In a perfect world we'd trade with ARZ, pocket their 2nd and another pick. Get Fairley at 5.
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