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Old 04-22-2011, 06:21 AM   #1
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Even John Elway probably knew that John Elway was going to be a very good NFL quarterback. So much so he forced a trade from the then-Baltimore Colts to the Denver Broncos and the rest was a Hall of Fame career to remember.

Elway, though, doesn’t have the same convictions about Tim Tebow, the Broncos’ first-round quarterback of a year ago — ironically acquired in a trade for Baltimore’s draft pick — and it’s a serious issue in Denver right now because the lockout has prevented new head coach John Fox and offensive coordinator Mike McCoy from working daily with the Heisman Trophy winner from Florida. Remember, Tebow was more of a slasher and a spread offense player than a prototypical version of an NFL quarterback.

Now, Tebow is Fox’s kind of quarterback. He loves leadership and all the high-character intangibles that Tebow possesses. Remember, Fox had a long love affair with Jake Delhomme in Carolina because of Jake’s similar traits. Delhomme was never a pretty quarterback like Manning or Brady, but he was a winner and more than merely a serviceable quarterback. Plus, everyone on the Panthers believed in him.

Tebow has identical characteristics and beliefs. He has never shied from wanting to be the starter or believing he should start ahead of Kyle Orton, last year’s starter until a rib injury opened the door for Tebow.

And there are a lot of NFL pro scouts who will tell you Orton is just another Jake Delhomme. There is no question Orton is tough and also a very capable leader.

The quarterback thinking is so convoluted in the Denver that Elway, who now holds the title of executive vice president of football operations for the Broncos, has even remarked the previous regime — Josh McDaniels’ ill-fated attempt at trying to be as draft slick as his former boss Bill Belichick — might have made a blunder in trading away Jay Cutler. I think Elway believes Cutler possesses more of the physical qualities (big arm and size) he wants in a starting quarterback despite all the negative rips on his character.

The Broncos have the draft pick right behind the No. 1 Carolina Panthers. With the worst defense in the NFL last season and with Fox, a defensive-minded coach at the helm, everyone figures Denver will be taking the best defensive player in the draft with the second choice. It makes total sense, especially with the current restrictions on trading either Tebow or Orton away. Earlier this year, there were rumors Elway might do exactly that.

It’s pretty simple logic. If you’re running the show and you’re a Hall of Fame quarterback, shouldn’t you want to pick Denver’s next great quarterback? It makes a lot more sense when you know Elway isn’t totally sold on either one right now.

To fuel that story line, the Broncos’ top personnel people — Elway, Fox and general manager Brian Xanders — were in attendance for the Pro Days for Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert, the two quarterbacks ranked at the top of the April 28 draft. McCoy went to watch Arkansas quarterback Ryan Mallett, who has all the physical tools to be an NFL star. There are also plans for quarterbacks coach Adam Gase to visit quarterbacks Christian Ponder, Jake Locker and Colin Kaepernick.

Maybe the Broncos are thinking of using their fourth pick in the second round on a quarterback. Yes, it makes total sense for the Broncos, or any team high in the pecking order, to do their due diligence in scouting the draft’s best talent.

“We’re always looking for that guy,” Elway said recently. “We may already have the guy who can pull the trigger and win us a championship someday. We may have him. We don’t know. We believe in Tim, but he’s not there yet. We have to look at everything when you have the second pick in the draft.”

Elway is intrigued with the physical size and speed of young quarterbacks like Newton and Gabbert. But the bottom line is he doesn’t see himself in either one of those kids. It’s a difficult process for Elway because he knows the game has changed a great deal from when he played while also knowing a player needs mobility to play the position today in the NFL.

The young Elway could run with the best of them, and he was elusive in the pocket. Howie Long probably still has nightmares of trying to sack the guy.

“I look at guys like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and all the success that they have had,” he said. “But I think it’s getting harder and harder to play that position and not have mobility.”

The mobility issue swings the Denver debate back to Tebow, who runs like a fullback while definitely possessing the quickness to escape the pocket.

The key for Tebow is to simplify his throwing mechanics and get his mind to quit thinking run over throwing down the field. Despite all the hype, Tebow remains a raw talent. The lockout has already cost the Broncos and Elway two months of working and talking football with the kid, and it sounds totally implausible the organization would give up on him this quickly.

What makes Denver’s situation worse is this year’s quarterback class has plenty of depth, meaning teams that need a quarterback or a quarterback project can pick one next week. If the Broncos consider doing exactly that, there will be few takers for either Orton or Tebow whenever trading resumes in the NFL. And the exchange values for either one of them will be embarrassingly low.



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Old 04-22-2011, 06:31 AM   #2
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It really doesn't seem like much of a quandary this year. Orton can't stay healthy enough to be the answer, and his deficiencies are most pronounced in the most important parts of games.

Tebow played extremely well for a developmental Rookie in his first 3 NFL starts and he has nowhere to go but up in terms of his passing game. His running game is already top 3 for NFL QBs. You also need to find out if he can make enough progress to be worth where he was selected, not only to hopefully make his pick worthwhile, but to see if he is a viable golden egg in terms of the national recognition and jersey sales that he brings with him.

To top it all off, this year's QB class is epic crap. Cam Newton has got to be the riskiest pick in years and Gabbert was essentially unrecognizable before about 2 months after the season was over. AND next years QB class may be the best in years with potentially 2 legitimate #1-overall-type QBs coming out.

Seems like a pretty simple decision to me. It's not like anyone is getting fired this year for focusing the draft away from a position that directly competes with the best-selling jersey on the team when the worst thing that could happen is they get their pick of 2 vastly superior QB prospects next year.
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Old 04-22-2011, 06:43 AM   #3
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I'm not sold on the current QBs either. I still would like to see what Tebow has. I really don't want to see Orton again but I think he is going to be the starter if they don't sign a new deal soon. I think the worst thing to do is draft another QB. This is mostpy because I don't know of a good QB in this draft.
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Old 04-22-2011, 06:49 AM   #4
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Aside from cue the drool brigade, I have no further comments.

Pretty damn good take!
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Old 04-22-2011, 07:17 AM   #5
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Ponder in the late 2nd or early 3rd is the only QB I'd be interested in from this draft.

The best option for us as a franchise is to get a difference maker for the defense in round 1, spend the rest of the draft around improving all three tiers of our D along with grabbing another RB to compliment Moreno, and then give the reigns to Tebow.

Orton is what I've said he is for quite some time. A solid 10-15 QB. That isn't going to win us anything while we're overhauling the entire defense and trying to fix the running game. Put Tebow in there and see if he's got what it takes. If he doesn't we'll be in ideal Andrew Luck draft position. If he does then problem solved.

As soon as a new CBA is in place trade Orton to one of the teams who misses out on a QB in the draft for a 2012 pick. Quinn and a mid to late round rookie back Tebow up. See where the chips fall and be ready to use the 2012 draft to address QB if Tebow doesn't show he's got it by the end of the 2011 season.
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Dear John:

You build it with defense. If a guy like Locker or Dalton is around in early 3rd, maybe you consider it. There are no qb's that will remind anyone of you, so go get Peterson or Dareus. I hear John Dutton's just a phone call away.

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Ponder in the late 2nd or early 3rd is the only QB I'd be interested in from this draft.

The best option for us as a franchise is to get a difference maker for the defense in round 1, spend the rest of the draft around improving all three tiers of our D along with grabbing another RB to compliment Moreno, and then give the reigns to Tebow.

Orton is what I've said he is for quite some time. A solid 10-15 QB. That isn't going to win us anything while we're overhauling the entire defense and trying to fix the running game. Put Tebow in there and see if he's got what it takes. If he doesn't we'll be in ideal Andrew Luck draft position. If he does then problem solved.

As soon as a new CBA is in place trade Orton to one of the teams who misses out on a QB in the draft for a 2012 pick. Quinn and a mid to late round rookie back Tebow up. See where the chips fall and be ready to use the 2012 draft to address QB if Tebow doesn't show he's got it by the end of the 2011 season.
This.

Build a strong team around Tebow, starting with the D. He certainly looks like he can be as good as Jake Plummer, and that era was one crappy game away from the Superbowl. Build the defense, give Tebow his shot, then if he isn't "the guy" we can replace him next year.
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This.

Build a strong team around Tebow, starting with the D. He certainly looks like he can be as good as Jake Plummer, and that era was one crappy game away from the Superbowl. Build the defense, give Tebow his shot, then if he isn't "the guy" we can replace him next year.
I thought everyone hated Jake the snake. Now the likes of Jake will do because Tebow might not flip off the fans?
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I'm one of the biggest Kyle Orton fans on this board, and I'm still of the opinion that we need to start Tebow in all 16 games this year.

The way I see it, we're not going to be Superbowl contenders this year regardless, so I don't see much point to sending Orton out there even if the coaches feel he gives us "the best chance to win." Not to mention the uproar it would cause among the fanbase.

Let Tebow start the entire year. If he plays well enough that we fall outside of the Top 5 picks in 2012, then he's probably shown enough to continue starting for that year.

If he falls on his face and busts, then we'll likely end up with a Top 5 pick again next year, which would mean he hasn't shown enough and we'd be in a prime position to draft Luck.

Either way, Tebow decides for himself if he's the future for the Broncos at the QB position or not in 2011 by starting. We certainly won't find out a definite answer either way by making Orton the starter next year.
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I thought everyone hated Jake the snake. Now the likes of Jake will do because Tebow might not flip off the fans?
I loved Jake, and I thought he was a great Bronco. I really liked the team with his chemistry because we were as much about the run as we were about passing.

In my book, Jake's only downfall was that he was a horrible passer on third downs, and made really bonehead plays when pressure was in his face. In a way, he was kind of an anti-Orton. On third and long with pressure in his face, Orton sacks himself and curls up in the fetal position. Plummer, on the other hand, just chucks the ball up to the wind, flips it the bird, and hopes Rod Smith is somewhere in the area (which he often wasn't).

I loved Jake, and in the end, he did get screwed out of the job. Cutler deserved the shot, but we went backwards as soon as we started Cutler. I loved the good Jay, but them is the facts baby! Plummer won more games.
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That was a really poorly written article.
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If tebow sucks it up after 6 games do we throw in Orton?
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What if the Broncos play Tebow and Fox sucks, dragging Tebow down with him causing him to be underrated, traded and the Broncos pay for it the rest of Tebow's career?

Just something to think about...
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Broncos have a QB surplus.
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Stupid article. This team has huge deficiencies at DT, MLB, Sam LB, both safety positions and TE. We need a RT, RB and CB depth. We have much bigger issues than QB (even if Tebow doesn't pan out). Based on the small sample of last season, Tebow has shown the ability to make plays with both his arm and his legs. Does he still have some throwing motion issues and footwork concerns? Sure, but he deserves the right to win the starting position in 2012. Worst case if he sucks in 2012, we keep Orton on the roster who is at the very least a serviceable NFL player.
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Just look at Elways early career. Either give the kid a good faith chance to succeed, or don't give a chance at all. No half-assing it where failure for everyone is all but guaranteed.
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I loved Jake, and I thought he was a great Bronco. I really liked the team with his chemistry because we were as much about the run as we were about passing.

In my book, Jake's only downfall was that he was a horrible passer on third downs, and made really bonehead plays when pressure was in his face. In a way, he was kind of an anti-Orton. On third and long with pressure in his face, Orton sacks himself and curls up in the fetal position. Plummer, on the other hand, just chucks the ball up to the wind, flips it the bird, and hopes Rod Smith is somewhere in the area (which he often wasn't).

I loved Jake, and in the end, he did get screwed out of the job. Cutler deserved the shot, but we went backwards as soon as we started Cutler. I loved the good Jay, but them is the facts baby! Plummer won more games.
If Tebow can refine his passing accuracy, make the proper reads, not run once he sees his 1st option covered, nor throw interceptions like ****ler did when the going got tough, then he may desrve some recognition and possibly the starting job.
I still think Orton starts until the young one learns the ropes a bit more.
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I loved Jake, and I thought he was a great Bronco. I really liked the team with his chemistry because we were as much about the run as we were about passing.

In my book, Jake's only downfall was that he was a horrible passer on third down.


Dead on my feelings of Jake...
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Why for not?
He gets a full season that doesn't involved him being jerked around in and out of the lineup.

This isn't a playoff team and no one they draft next week is going to make them a playoff team over night.

I'll echo Drek's sentiment, Tebow can prove he can be the guy next year, or there is a good chance they are in position to draft Luck or Barkley next April.
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He gets a full season that doesn't involved him being jerked around in and out of the lineup.

This isn't a playoff team and no one they draft next week is going to make them a playoff team over night.

I'll echo Drek's sentiment, Tebow can prove he can be the guy next year, or there is a good chance they are in position to draft Luck or Barkley next April.
Exactly. This is nowhere near a playoff team, regardless of who we take next week. Best case scenario, we are looking at two full drafts and two free agent signing periods to build things up. Draft front 7 players, RT, and maybe a TE or RB. Give Tebow every opportunity this year to win the starting job. Once he does, don't jerk him and give him a legitimate chance to lead this team. Worst case, he doesn't pan out, we are a 4 or 5 win team next year, and we draft a QB at the end of 2012.
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If tebow sucks it up after 6 games do we throw in Orton?
See this is the response I don't get. We threw Timmy in with the wolves last year. The team had had cashed it in, the coaches were hand me downs from a coaching staff that did not work. He went in managed to elevate the players while they had him hand cuffed.

I mean have we all forgotten 1st down run center, second down run right, third qb option ? Some of the worst coaching I have ever watched a a pro level. Anyway he manged to win games. He was a leader which was to really nice to see on the field again.

Also did he not come back from a 0-17 game to win it 24-23. I think that is right.

I think Timmy gave more then enough to earn the starting sport next year. I just don't understand all the what if stuff. He went in, he won games, give the man his dues.
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Exactly. This is nowhere near a playoff team,
Strongly disagree.
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See this is the response I don't get. We threw Timmy in with the wolves last year. The team had had cashed it in, the coaches were hand me downs from a coaching staff that did not work. He went in managed to elevate the players while they had him hand cuffed.

I mean have we all forgotten 1st down run center, second down run right, third qb option ? Some of the worst coaching I have ever watched a a pro level. Anyway he manged to win games. He was a leader which was to really nice to see on the field again.

Also did he not come back from a 0-17 game to win it 24-23. I think that is right.

I think Timmy gave more then enough to earn the starting sport next year. I just don't understand all the what if stuff. He went in, he won games, give the man his dues.
While I agree with the general sentiment of your post....You're not exactly helping your cause by being factually inaccurate.
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