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Old 04-15-2014, 07:40 AM   #2101
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That's the issue here though. This is one of the few times where Martin gets literary revenge on a family and Cat Stark (whom I've always disliked for some reason) totally nailed it despite my wondrous ability to nitpick. Lena was supposed to be the same and honestly, Jaime looked more upset than she did at losing her child. She was like a 3 there and then looks at Tyrion and goes up to an 11 and that seemed forced even there.

Lena Headey takes "sinister" and "cruelty" to a new level in this show but man does she just **** the bed when it comes to emotion (with the exception of her story of her lone Baratheon child who died, imo).
I agree with your post, I just wanted to point out that Martin LOVES the Lannisters and has said that if he were in Westeros, he would've been a Lannister, himself.
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Old 04-15-2014, 07:50 AM   #2102
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I suppose they've got to introduce Coldhands... That's the part I'm most interested in seeing how they handle. And then the season will end with Bran reaching the tree.
Is there some new information that has you thinking he will show up?
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Old 04-15-2014, 07:53 AM   #2103
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I agree with your post, I just wanted to point out that Martin LOVES the Lannisters and has said that if he were in Westeros, he would've been a Lannister, himself.
I hadn't heard that but it makes way too much sense. It must have killed him to do what he did later in the series though.
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Old 04-15-2014, 07:53 AM   #2104
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Is there some new information that has you thinking he will show up?
It'll be telling. If he continues to be cut from the show as expected, then all the hand-wringing over who Coldhands might be (Benjen, Nights King, etc) will all be for nothing.

I mean... Not that any fiction speculation is for something...
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Bran is Frodo because they are both going somewhere and extralife doesn't like both of them so they are the same.
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Wierd that people would discuss a show they don't like. Once I don't like a show I never watch it again or want to talk about it. To find much wrong with GOT you most likely call everything crap on TV, because compared to most of what is out there GOT is miles ahead.
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Interesting theory. So then are you implying he is a supernatural Littlefinger or what exactly on the spectrum of good guy/bad guy is he then in your opinion?
If you read the tales of Dunk and Egg, you find that Blood Raven makes Littlefinger look like Podrick Payne.
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If you read the tales of Dunk and Egg, you find that Blood Raven makes Littlefinger look like Podrick Payne.
So Blood Raven has a really tiny penis?
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Is there some new information that has you thinking he will show up?
I've seen nothing. I just can't hardly believe they would leave him entirely out of the story given how much theorizing his character has inspired among the book readers.
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So Blood Raven has a really tiny penis?
It's actually detachable.
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Interesting theory. So then are you implying he is a supernatural Littlefinger or what exactly on the spectrum of good guy/bad guy is he then in your opinion?
He's definitely a "supernatural Littlefinger". The question is whether things are as they seem to appear and that he's a good guy preparing mankind for winter, or is he a bad guy... maybe even the Great Other himself.

I'm hoping for the latter because I think its more interesting. Martin has kept the Others shrouded in mystery for a reason, all while he personally describes them as:

"The Others are not dead. They are strange, beautiful… think, oh… the Sidhe made of ice, something like that… a different sort of life… inhuman, elegant, dangerous"

They're far more complicated than the evil zombies we assume them to be.

I hope the primary theme of the story unfolds as follows:

Bran - Ice, maybe the Great Other himself. Those expecting him to be a dragon rider may be right... but it also might just be an ice dragon (FYI, one of Martin's earlier short stories where he kind of gives birth to the concept of the others is called and about an "Ice Dragon")
Dany - Fire, maybe the Princess who was Promised
Jon - As Lyanna and Rhaegar's son, the song of Ice and Fire. Maybe his relationship with Bran and Dany finds some permanent resolution/end to winter
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It's actually detachable.
He said in jest but considering how one-with-the-tree he is, his seed may be an acorn now
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I've seen nothing. I just can't hardly believe they would leave him entirely out of the story given how much theorizing his character has inspired among the book readers.
Could also be Martin's way of rolling his eyes and getting people to stfu about Coldhands and focus on the actual story.
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I'm going to at least give you the benefit of the doubt and pretend that by "Odysseus" you actually meant "The Odyssey."

I bring up Ulysses because you decided to bring up attention span for no reason. Most people who've read all the Song of Fire and Ice books multiple times would quit on Ulysses within ten pages.
In actuality I was just ****ing around with you because I don't agree with your opinion of Bran (In the books)

I was referring to the characters name in Roman and Greek. Not the name of the book.
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Could also be Martin's way of rolling his eyes and getting people to stfu about Coldhands and focus on the actual story.
No kidding. "Oh he's Benjen! Oh he's Bloodraven, who was for-ordained to choose Azor Ahai! Oh he's the Night's King still kicking around!"

I honestly think there are more interesting story arcs. Either we'll find out and be like "Oh! ok." and carry on, or we'll watch Jon Snow get turned into a white Walker and be leading the others in a war AGAINST Daenerys and Cold Hands becomes his minion and ultimately a non-factor.
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Wierd that people would discuss a show they don't like. Once I don't like a show I never watch it again or want to talk about it. To find much wrong with GOT you most likely call everything crap on TV, because compared to most of what is out there GOT is miles ahead.
where did I say I didn't like the show? I wasn't aware I had to be a slavish fanboy in order to enjoy something.

but then again, this is the internet.
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No kidding. "Oh he's Benjen! Oh he's Bloodraven, who was for-ordained to choose Azor Ahai! Oh he's the Night's King still kicking around!"

I honestly think there are more interesting story arcs. Either we'll find out and be like "Oh! ok." and carry on, or we'll watch Jon Snow get turned into a white Walker and be leading the others in a war AGAINST Daenerys and Cold Hands becomes his minion and ultimately a non-factor.
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Old 04-20-2014, 03:23 PM   #2120
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I was pretty in dissapointed in Tue joffery whacking. Interesting how the tyrion line goes forward
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Eh....Episode was ok.

I'm actually not all that happy with Dani's storyline from here on in the books. It just totally bogs down...
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Boring episode. Too much Sam and Gilly. I thought it was funny how they were making some characters more dislikable right before they get rid of them.
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Wow, surprised at the tepid reaction. This was my favorite episode so far this season. Thought every scene was great... aside from the start of the Oberyn/Tywin scene.

He's bi and oversexed. We get it. They decided to focus on that far more heavily than his poisoning history (which wasn't mentioned at all before this one) and would have left Purple Wedding viewers with more intrigue.

I think HBO could have found a different reason to crowbar some dick into a scene if they really felt it was necessary.
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Wow, surprised at the tepid reaction. This was my favorite episode so far this season. Thought every scene was great... aside from the start of the Oberyn/Tywin scene.

He's bi and oversexed. We get it. They decided to focus on that far more heavily than his poisoning history (which wasn't mentioned at all before this one) and would have left Purple Wedding viewers with more intrigue.

I think HBO could have found a different reason to crowbar some dick into a scene if they really felt it was necessary.

It's HBO. They do not need a reason. And for balance they did start that scene with lesbian action.

Loved the Poderick/Tyrion scene, Tywin lecturing his grandson on what makes a good king over Joffrey's corpse and Daenryus' scene.

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