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Old 04-22-2014, 08:11 AM   #1876
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I just watched the episode again with my wife and two things. That sex scene was like a late night Cinemax soft core porn/action show. And, as my wife fully agreed, that was not rape as in the sense of she didn't want it but rather she just didn't want it there (my wife says it wasn't in both regards). I wish they would stop trying to shoehorn the nudity in there.
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Old 04-22-2014, 08:17 AM   #1877
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Old 04-22-2014, 08:23 AM   #1878
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like someone said earlier, why so much emphasis on sam and gilly?
dammit, where are all the good boob scenes?

1. for those who didn't read the book, who poisoned the king? all fingers are pointing at tywin. he knows he can't control joeffery and he knows joeffery would be the doom of westeros. so he has him killed and molds his younger brother into the king he outta be.

im shocked that tywin is not protecting tyrion. he is after all a lannister.

1. The scene where Joffrey was poisoned and the subsequent episode screams who did it. Tyrion is just the poor ass who gets in the way.

2. Tywin believes Tyrion is responsible for the death of his wife. And because he has no proof Tyrion isnt his son, he begrudgingly accepts that he is a Lannister. But there is no love there. He protects the name, not the person carrying it.

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Old 04-22-2014, 08:37 AM   #1879
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It amuses me that people think/thought of Jamie L as a "Good Guy". He has never, nor is he a "Good Guy". He pushed a kid out of a window. He ****s his sister and goes along with illegitmate ruler because of it. What...you think he's a "Good Guy" because he killed a made king and saved a woman from a bear. GTFO
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Old 04-22-2014, 10:12 AM   #1880
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It amuses me that people think/thought of Jamie L as a "Good Guy". He has never, nor is he a "Good Guy". He pushed a kid out of a window. He ****s his sister and goes along with illegitmate ruler because of it. What...you think he's a "Good Guy" because he killed a made king and saved a woman from a bear. GTFO
His character goes on a major redemption arc in the books.
That is why he and Tyrion are the only liked Lannisters in the series for the most part.
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Old 04-22-2014, 10:28 AM   #1881
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His character goes on a major redemption arc in the books.
That is why he and Tyrion are the only liked Lannisters in the series for the most part.
I've always really liked Tywin.
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Old 04-22-2014, 10:28 AM   #1882
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1. The scene where Joffrey was poisoned and the subsequent episode screams who did it. Tyrion is just the poor ass who gets in the way.

2. Tywin believes Tyrion is responsible for the death of his wife. And because he has no proof Tyrion isnt his son, he begrudgingly accepts that he is a Lannister. But there is no love there. He protects the name, not the person carrying it.

it might scream out who poisoned him, but they made it too damn obvious. because i didn't read the book, i will say there will be some twist and it will be a complete shocker who poisoned joeffery.

i know its tywin killing 2 birds with one stone, but part of me keeps thinking that there is a part of tywin that respects tyrion for his intellect. tywin doesn't have a choice, he wants jamie to carry on the lannister name, but jaime doesn't care for it. his only choice is tyrion because he is smart and capable. maybe his only hope is for the children of tyrion and sansa when they become of age to carry on the lannister name.
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I've always really liked Tywin.
the guy is a bad ass. he outsmarted the starks and grandma tyrell.
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it might scream out who poisoned him, but they made it too damn obvious. because i didn't read the book, i will say there will be some twist and it will be a complete shocker who poisoned joeffery.

i know its tywin killing 2 birds with one stone, but part of me keeps thinking that there is a part of tywin that respects tyrion for his intellect. tywin doesn't have a choice, he wants jamie to carry on the lannister name, but jaime doesn't care for it. his only choice is tyrion because he is smart and capable. maybe his only hope is for the children of tyrion and sansa when they become of age to carry on the lannister name.
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I'm assuming you haven't read the books?
Once the series on TV is over I will read the books, but it doesn't matter in my mind...he's a dirtbag. I would be beyond impressed if that were to change.
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the guy is a bad ass. he outsmarted the starks and grandma tyrell.
he is a badass IMO.
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I've always really liked Tywin.
He is a bad ass. But in terms of being liked by the fans overall.
The Lannisters are hated(which they are supposed to be).
However they seem to be the only family with enough brains to actually rule properly.

Every other family who stakes a claim does so without the forethought of proper planning and securing alliances.
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He is a bad ass. But in terms of being liked by the fans overall.
The Lannisters are hated(which they are supposed to be).
However they seem to be the only family with enough brains to actually rule properly.

Every other family who stakes a claim does so without the forethought of proper planning and securing alliances.
I haven't read it, I've only watched the series as well as cliff notes from youtube, that comicgirl19 has some excellent videos explaining the histories of house stark, lannister, and targaryan, and from what I gather is that the only time **** was being run well was when Tywin was the mad kings hand.

If I was living in that setting I'd be extremely happy seeing Tommen getting brought up properly by Tywin.

Although life sucks the big one if he's either your enemy or your daddy.

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Old 04-22-2014, 11:23 AM   #1889
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the guy is a bad ass. he outsmarted the starks and grandma tyrell.
Where do you think he outsmarted the Queen of Thorns?
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He is a bad ass. But in terms of being liked by the fans overall.
The Lannisters are hated(which they are supposed to be).
However they seem to be the only family with enough brains to actually rule properly.

Every other family who stakes a claim does so without the forethought of proper planning and securing alliances.
what you mean? i love the lannisters.

1. Tywin: not only is he smart, strong and don't take not crap, he cares more about his family (name) than what he wants. they guy is devoted to the lannister legacy and not his desires! if his children had his devotion, the lannisters would rule all the lands.

2. Jaime: he is the swordsman that we love to emulate in rpg's. he is arrogant, but can back it all up because he is the best fighter in westeros. i know, he isn't to smart and gets verbally abused every episode. he doesn't need brains, thats why he's got tyrion.

3. cersei: she is beautiful, somewhat smart and a loving mother who don't take crap from anyone! c'mon, when margery start talking about how they will be sisters, cersei told her to gtfo and will kill her if she ever hears that crap again.

4. tyrion: the guy is smart, cunning, full of sarcasm. the only guy who has the nuts to stand up to joeffery and tywin. the way he out witted the tulleys. who didn't love it when his hand fell from the sky and smacked the **** out of joeffery twice.

5. joeffery: yes every family has a bad seed.
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Where do you think he outsmarted the Queen of Thorns?
when the tyrells tried to mary sansa to loras tyrell and steal the north, not only did tywin came in to stop it, he forced grandma to his terms of loras marrying cersei. grandma was completely taken off guard. even grandma had to admit she was outwitted by him.
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2. Jaime: he is the swordsman that we love to emulate in rpg's. he is arrogant, but can back it all up because he is the best fighter in westeros.
Best fighter in Westeros with one hand?
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when the tyrells tried to mary sansa to loras tyrell and steal the north, not only did tywin came in to stop it, he forced grandma to his terms of loras marrying cersei. grandma was completely taken off guard. even grandma had to admit she was outwitted by him.
Sure, but when it's all said and done, Olenna wins.
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Best fighter in Westeros with one hand?
well, he was the best swordsman before he lost his hand. i have no reason to doubt he will be able to wield the sword just as good as his right hand one day. anyways, the metal hand makes for a viscous punch.

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Sure, but when it's all said and done, Olenna wins.
i haven't read the book, i can only tell you what has happened so far. at this point, he is one up on grandma. i have no doubt that grandma scheming something. up to this point, the tyrells are at a disadvantage. margery is not the queen. loras is set to marry cersei or risk never having an heir.

anyone have any ideas who tommen will marry? i doubt it will be margery. so any ties the tyrell have to the throne is all but dead. maybe the only match for tommen will be arya stark!
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i haven't read the book, i can only tell you what has happened so far. at this point, he is one up on grandma. i have no doubt that grandma scheming something. up to this point, the tyrells are at a disadvantage. margery is not the queen. loras is set to marry cersei or risk never having an heir.

anyone have any ideas who tommen will marry? i doubt it will be margery. so any ties the tyrell have to the throne is all but dead. maybe the only match for tommen will be arya stark!
Now you get to watch Olenna work her magic.
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when the tyrells tried to mary sansa to loras tyrell and steal the north, not only did tywin came in to stop it, he forced grandma to his terms of loras marrying cersei. grandma was completely taken off guard. even grandma had to admit she was outwitted by him.

And Joffrey ends up dead.

What a coincidence, that happening when deals where made between the Lannisters and the Tyrells.

You have to ask yourself, who benefits from Joffrey dying? It is not Tywin. And obviously not Tyrion or Sansa.

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And Joffrey ends up dead.

What a coincidence, that happening when deals where made between the Lannisters and the Tyrells.

You have to ask yourself, who benefits from Joffrey dying? It is not Tywin. And obviously not Tyrion or Sansa.

IHRtB but everyone alive benefits from him dying, but clearly grandma Tyrell was part of the conspiracy to kill Joffery. She's the one that actually posioned him.
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IHRtB but everyone alive benefits from him dying, but clearly grandma Tyrell was part of the conspiracy to kill Joffery. She's the one that actually posioned him.

Indeed. And while I believe the Tyrells are "decent" when compared to the Lannisters, throwing Tyrion and Sansa to the lions is a prickish thing to do. And while everyone benefits from Joffrey dying, the death of a king, even an evil one leaves power vacuums.

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Indeed. And while I believe the Tyrells are "decent" when compared to the Lannisters, throwing Tyrion and Sansa to the lions is a prickish thing to do. And while everyone benefits from Joffrey dying, the death of a king, even an evil one leaves power vacuums.

I don't think they planned to have Tyrion take the blame...it just worked out that way. Or it could be that Little Fingerdid it to get Sansa...but I could be wrong. Poor Sansa can't catch a break.
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I don't think they planned to have Tyrion take the blame...it just worked out that way. Or it could be that Little Fingerdid it to get Sansa...but I could be wrong. Poor Sansa can't catch a break.

Sansa is a character I strongly dislike. How can her and Arya be related at all? Little finger having Sansa (last living Stark...) gives him a claim to the north, especially if he can marry her. Creepy bastard.

My memory is not clear about the specifics of Joffrey's death. I need to reread that book. But they may not have intended to have it fall on Tyrion and Sansa, but it did.


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