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Old 06-06-2013, 11:33 AM   #1726
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We didn't see Xaro die, I don't think? Just locked in that vault, right?
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:01 PM   #1727
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Yeah Xaro is kind of a wild card in this. One of the many rogue elements that can potentially really alter how the story goes in the show Vs. the books.
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:29 PM   #1728
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We didn't see Xaro die, I don't think? Just locked in that vault, right?
Yep. He said 4 though, and I can't think of anyone else.
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Old 06-06-2013, 01:02 PM   #1729
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IF he was including Xaro, then maybe he was also including the girl (dora?) that was locked in there with him.

Again, as you all have mentioned, they weren't "dead", but that's about the only other person I'm thinking it could be.

EDIT: Doreah...and unless they figure out some way to drill through Valeyrian steel, I think they're fuuuuuuuned.
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Old 06-06-2013, 01:53 PM   #1730
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Old 06-06-2013, 01:56 PM   #1731
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IF he was including Xaro, then maybe he was also including the girl (dora?) that was locked in there with him.

Again, as you all have mentioned, they weren't "dead", but that's about the only other person I'm thinking it could be.

EDIT: Doreah...and unless they figure out some way to drill through Valeyrian steel, I think they're fuuuuuuuned.
Doreah is dead in the books, too. She died in the red waste before they made it to Qarth.
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Old 06-06-2013, 02:16 PM   #1732
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IF he was including Xaro, then maybe he was also including the girl (dora?) that was locked in there with him.

Again, as you all have mentioned, they weren't "dead", but that's about the only other person I'm thinking it could be.

EDIT: Doreah...and unless they figure out some way to drill through Valeyrian steel, I think they're fuuuuuuuned.
Come on. You've read the books.

If you don't see them die, they're not dead. And if they are dead, maybe not forever.
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Come on. You've read the books.

If you don't see them die, they're not dead. And if they are dead, maybe not forever.
That's why SPOILER: ( Jon Snow isn't dead. )
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That's why SPOILER: ( Jon Snow isn't dead. )
SPOILER: ( anyone who believes he is (or if he is, that he'll stay that way) is a simple boob )
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Old 06-06-2013, 04:39 PM   #1735
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Good stuff on this thread, a few thoughts

There are a lot of GRRM interviews on youtube - I've listened to a few and he was asked about Tolkein - while he expressed apprecation for his work he hardly sounded like a very enthralled or big fan - in fact he specifically noted that they were childrens stories. I have a hard time buying into the idea that he used Middle earth in the future to set up his world.

Jeyne/Talisa - For some reason I recall in the book some question fo Jeyne's mother essentially forcing her to have an abortion - I think the Robb Stark line is gone. Rickon is the king in the North - we know the Manderlys know about him and are after him to raise him up, he will have the Smalljon's support(in the show he is heading to the Umbers). They've already protrayed Shaggy Dog as savage and vicious and I think that is exactly what Rickon will become - a very savage and very vicious fighter who will take revenge on all the houses in the North that wronged the Starks. I predict that the next few books will span a good number of years (i.e. all of winter since the last book is A Hope for Spring, and we know this is going to be a very long winter)
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Quoting Martin from an interview:

"As a reader, what I seek is a book that delights and surprises me. I want to not know what is gonna happen. For me, that’s the essence of storytelling and for this reason I want my readers to turn the pages with increasing fever: to know what happens next. There are a lot of expectations, mainly in the fantasy genre, which you have the hero and he is the chosen one, and he is always protected by his destiny. I didn’t want it for my books."

Tolkein's "Middle Earth" was probably drawn from norse references to "Midgard," (Earth). To the extent that both authors (and dozens more in the genre) draw on norse & celtic epics and myths, it's no surprise that there are parallels. The interesting thing about GoT is that genre expectations are often turned upside down.
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Old 06-06-2013, 06:38 PM   #1737
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Yep. He said 4 though, and I can't think of anyone else.
Frey's wife didn't die in the books, right? Not that she is a very important character.
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Frey's wife didn't die in the books, right? Not that she is a very important character.
True. That would be the 4th.
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Quoting Martin from an interview:

"As a reader, what I seek is a book that delights and surprises me. I want to not know what is gonna happen. For me, thatís the essence of storytelling and for this reason I want my readers to turn the pages with increasing fever: to know what happens next. There are a lot of expectations, mainly in the fantasy genre, which you have the hero and he is the chosen one, and he is always protected by his destiny. I didnít want it for my books."

Tolkein's "Middle Earth" was probably drawn from norse references to "Midgard," (Earth). To the extent that both authors (and dozens more in the genre) draw on norse & celtic epics and myths, it's no surprise that there are parallels. The interesting thing about GoT is that genre expectations are often turned upside down.
This is why I love GRRM's work, and also why I love the work of Herbert (hence my handle). Herbert also tossed away a lot of the predictability of stories in his Dune series and whacks main characters unexpectedly. Not to the extreme extent that GRRM takes it, but still there.
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Old 06-07-2013, 07:06 PM   #1740
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The other supporting piece of "evidence" for this theory is the opening theme. Watch it closely the next time, and notice the sun (with the GOT logo) - keep track of where it is during the whole sequence as they pan across the mechanical castles and across the sea. The entire land lies on the inside of the globe - ala middle earth.




I'm not saying that I believe the theory is legit, but I love the way that so much stuff is open to interpretation.
the show open is pretty brilliant itself; that is, in how it changes weekly with the story. when i saw the twins on the latest episode, i knew it was going down.
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Damn, I'm not all that impressed with the season finale. Bit of a dud.
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Old 06-09-2013, 08:19 PM   #1742
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Yeah, that was kind of anti-climatic. I'm starting to wonder just how many characters and subplots they plan on cutting.
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Old 06-09-2013, 08:36 PM   #1743
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Ep 9 has always been the best each season. Not sure why any of you are surprised.

Next year Tyrion will kill Tywin in ep 9.
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Next year we'll hopefully have Coldhands, the Royal Wedding, the battles at the Wall, and Tywin/Tyrion.
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Next year we'll hopefully have Coldhands, the Royal Wedding, the battles at the Wall, and Tywin/Tyrion.
At this point I don't think we'll see Cold hands. Giving them the dragon glass effectively solved his only purpose to date.

But yeah they'll finish book 3 next season
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Old 06-09-2013, 09:04 PM   #1746
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At this point I don't think we'll see Cold hands. Giving them the dragon glass effectively solved his only purpose to date.

But yeah they'll finish book 3 next season
Eh, he does play a pretty significant role by leading them to the cave. Plus there's still the chance that he's Benjen Stark.

We'll see...in ten whole months
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I swear if he ever kills off Dany someone (maybe me) might hunt him down and pull a Ramse/Theon on him. She is so freaking awesome.
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Old 06-10-2013, 05:53 AM   #1749
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I swear if he ever kills off Dany someone (maybe me) might hunt him down and pull a Ramse/Theon on him. She is so freaking awesome.
Yes, yes she is.

Ya, the finale was kind of a dud but episode 9 was always going to be pretty tough to follow. Now I have to go from Dany to Sookie. A noticeable drop.......
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I thought last night's episode was great, although it seemed that a few of the storylines felt a little more soap opera-esque than I remember in the books. Ygritte and Jon were pretty sappy (I still enjoyed it, but they REALLY geared it to the female audience IMO), Asha being very un-Asha like in her declaration to find Theon, and the whole Theon being named Reek...it all felt a little over the top to me.

Tywin and Tyrion are just KILLIN it, and that whole small council meeting was my favorite part of the episode. Jeoff is such a petulant b**** (big kudos to him for portraying that character so well), never have I felt the urge to punch someone in the babymakers more than he.

As for Gendry, I wonder how (or if) he's going to end up coming back in later in the story, and whether or not they'll have him saving Brienne's life? Curious to see how that storyline will play out.

10 long months ahead GREAT season though.
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