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Old 05-14-2013, 01:56 PM   #1526
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Did this happen in the book? If not, it was a good change especially in light of their interactions later in the series.
Yes, it happened in the books as well.
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Old 05-14-2013, 02:06 PM   #1527
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Did this happen in the book? If not, it was a good change especially in light of their interactions later in the series.
Rev is referring to the spelling.
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Old 05-14-2013, 03:17 PM   #1528
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lol Jaime

Talisa got dat ass in this episode. So good, better than those Dreadfort skanks
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Old 05-14-2013, 03:53 PM   #1529
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Old 05-14-2013, 04:17 PM   #1530
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Rev is referring to the spelling.
Yes, I know it's supposed to be Ser. I just didn't remember that in the book.
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Old 05-14-2013, 04:24 PM   #1531
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Yes, I know it's supposed to be Ser. I just didn't remember that in the book.
Jamie =/= Jaime
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:45 PM   #1533
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:54 PM   #1534
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Not sure where you're getting that.

King Beyond the Wall Joramun supposedly woke the giants with a horn about 8,000 yrs ago, but he wasn't really involved in an invasion of Westeros. On the contrary, he joined up with the Starks to bring down the Night's King.


About 3000 years ago, Kings beyond the Wall Gendel and Gorne invaded, but that was accomplished by digging under the Wall. (Storm of Swords, Chapter 26) No mention of giants.


About 184 AL Raymun Redbeard led an invasion, accomplished by sending a raiding party to climb the wall and send down ropes & ladders. (Clash of Kings, ch 23, DoD chap 7). Again, no mention of giants.

I can't find any reference to the other times the Wildlings supposedly invaded.

We do know that Wildlings have occasionally interacted with giants before Mance united everyone, but I can't find anything that says they raided the south together and it seems pretty unlikely give the methods referenced. (Very hard to lift a mammoth up over the wall or to dig a tunnel big enough for it.)
Well, now that the Giants are disputed I have no legs to stand on. I based my argument on circumstantial evidence that Giants existed beyond the wall, but were rare, natives if the frost fangs, beyond the common man. I guess I assumed any great leader would utilize every asset of at their disposal. Do we have circumstantial evidence outside one raid to suggest against the involvement of giants? GRRM wrote the last episode of the show, and Jon esplicitly mentioned 6 previous attacks on the wall, it wasn't in the books.
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GRRM's version of Nynaeve tugging on her braids
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Of the reasons I mentioned above, giants are probably the least of it. It's not clear how many have joined the Wildlings, but we're talking about dozens rather than thousands.

They'd make nice shock troops, but a squad of crossbowmen could probably take out any of them with a clear field of fire. I think they might be more useful as field engineers.

The biggest issue, by far, is the civil war. The Stark forces at Winterfell have historically been the bane of these invasions, but those forces (that aren't already dead) are far to the south. Most of the fleet went down at Blackwater. The Ironborn are causing their own problems on the western shores. Provisions and supply are going to be a problem with the mess in the Riverlands. Many of the troops are pinned down in combat or protecting strongholds from their rivals.

And, of course, a new player in the game has it's own bargaining power.
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Of the reasons I mentioned above, giants are probably the least of it. It's not clear how many have joined the Wildlings, but we're talking about dozens rather than thousands.

They'd make nice shock troops, but a squad of crossbowmen could probably take out any of them with a clear field of fire. I think they might be more useful as field engineers.

The biggest issue, by far, is the civil war. The Stark forces at Winterfell have historically been the bane of these invasions, but those forces (that aren't already dead) are far to the south. Most of the fleet went down at Blackwater. The Ironborn are causing their own problems on the western shores. Provisions and supply are going to be a problem with the mess in the Riverlands. Many of the troops are pinned down in combat or protecting strongholds from their rivals.

And, of course, a new player in the game has it's own bargaining power.

Agreed.


In terms of the Giants utility, Mance used them as walking battering rams after theirs was burned. I can't remember the Giants name off the top of my head, the one that took a liking to Jon, that crawled through the gate beating down doors until Donal Noye killed him. The mammoths were like horses for the Giants, simply a quicker means for getting from point A to B.


The Giants name was Mag.
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I watched the episode again last night, and I have to say that it ranks pretty high in my favorite episodes. GRRM really packed in a lot of meaning in this one. There's a lot of emotion and character development/revealation in it. Arya saying that her one true god is death. Sansa and Maergery's discussion - and Sansa still so naive. Osha's tale of her husband - which is amazing coming straight from GRRM. "Ser" Jaime. The boy king and the pimp hand. Tyrion pleading with Shae. Clyburn and Jaime's discussion. Robb and Talisa. This episode was chock full of character development and revelations.
Agreed, whoheartedy. I watched it (finally) last night and I was coming here to say what has already been said.

and, yes, I was nerd raging at the top of this thread.
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My Apologies if this has been addressed already in the thread, but has anyone else noticed that Jaime Lanister is basically Luke Skywalker?

Both:

Have a bit too close of a relationship with their twin sister.
Have lost their right hand.
Have a difficult relationship with their father.
Have been involved in the killing of an Evil Mad King/Emperor.

GRRM is a bit of a geek. This cannot be a complete coincidence.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:14 AM   #1543
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My Apologies if this has been addressed already in the thread, but has anyone else noticed that Jaime Lanister is basically Luke Skywalker?

Both:

Have a bit too close of a relationship with their twin sister.
Have lost their right hand.
Have a difficult relationship with their father.
Have been involved in the killing of an Evil Mad King/Emperor.

GRRM is a bit of a geek. This cannot be a complete coincidence.
Skywalker is a good person, is always portrayed as a good person. He does the right thing almost all the time.

Jamie is the exact opposite.

The circumstances of their environment are similar but their personalities are very different.
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Read The Hero With A Thousand Faces and you will get at where GRRM and GL were getting some of their ideas from.
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:27 PM   #1547
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Old 05-20-2013, 08:10 AM   #1548
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Great episode last night

Anyone think we'll meet Coldhands this season?
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Old 05-20-2013, 08:48 AM   #1549
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Okay, did I just miss this until recently? According to the official website, we don't get another new episode until June. Was this always the schedule or is this a recent change?
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