OT: Game of Thrones (official thread) (warning: some spoilers)

[Grumps]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

All valid points, but the first 6 (Maybe not the first one. The Great Hunt is where I got hooked) and the last few are amazing. Dumai's Wells is probably one of the most bad ass sections of literary history.

Like I said earlier, it hit a lull for a while after that, but I REALLY think it was his Tor editor wife dragging out the cash cow.

Besides, once Saidin got cleansed (another amazing scene) it was full speed ahead again. I still don't know how they're going to cover the remaining plot lines with 1 more book... Tarmon Gaidon is going to ****ing sweet at least.

Half the Forsaken are still alive, who killed Asmo? Who is Taim? Is Logain going to kill him and take the black tower? Will the Seanchan leash Rand for the last battle? etc

Oh and the rights have been bought and sold a dozen times over. No one can figure out how to make such an intricate and massive story. TV would work, but it'd take like 10 seasons and a monster budget to do it right.

Eh, things slowed down between books 8-10...I think it was mostly the wait between books made the books worse than they were. I am rereading the entire series and am interested to see if my opinion on books 8-10 has changed.

Either way, Sanderson has done an admirable job so far, I think. I really enjoyed the last two books. Really am looking forward to the conclusion, but am worried that a lot will be rushed in order to fit it in one book.

As to your questions...SPOILERS AHEAD.....






Graendal killed Asmo (definitive proof in the last book). Taim is Taim...new dreadlord trained by/working for Moridin. I wondered what happened to Logain in the last book. I am beginning to think Taim might have captured him and it will take the Logain followers to break him free. One of the plots I am looking forward to seeing the resolution on. It will be interesting to see what becomes of the Seanchan and what plays out with the Aiel (given Aviendha's vision).

No way a movie would ever do the series justice. Perhaps a mini-series, but I doubt that ever happens either.

[Old Dude]

Hopefully, episode 2 wasn't so hard to follow.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Grumps

Eh, things slowed down between books 8-10...I think it was mostly the wait between books made the books worse than they were. I am rereading the entire series and am interested to see if my opinion on books 8-10 has changed.

Either way, Sanderson has done an admirable job so far, I think. I really enjoyed the last two books. Really am looking forward to the conclusion, but am worried that a lot will be rushed in order to fit it in one book.

As to your questions...SPOILERS AHEAD.....






Graendal killed Asmo (definitive proof in the last book). Taim is Taim...new dreadlord trained by/working for Moridin. I wondered what happened to Logain in the last book. I am beginning to think Taim might have captured him and it will take the Logain followers to break him free. One of the plots I am looking forward to seeing the resolution on. It will be interesting to see what becomes of the Seanchan and what plays out with the Aiel (given Aviendha's vision).

No way a movie would ever do the series justice. Perhaps a mini-series, but I doubt that ever happens either.

Meh, I've read all those before, but there aren't any definitive answers on either yet.

What "proof" do you have that Graendal did it? I clearly missed that! (Edit: WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF they put it in the ****ing glossary? I was expecting a book reveal considering it became such a HUGE issue for years for something RJ thought was "inherently obvious" in the story... FML, that's weak)

I was hoping Taim killed him

[Grumps]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Meh, I've read all those before, but there aren't any definitive answers on either yet.

What "proof" do you have that Graendal did it? I clearly missed that! (Edit: WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF they put it in the ****ing glossary? I was expecting a book reveal considering it became such a HUGE issue for years for something RJ thought was "inherently obvious" in the story... FML, that's weak)

I was hoping Taim killed him

I suspected her when she told Sammael definitively that Asmo was dead (I think in the 7th book). But that wasn't proof.

Shaidar Haran also says in one of the last chapters of the last book that Graendal is responsible for the deaths of 3 of the Forsaken (implication...Aran'gar, Messanna, and Asmo).

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Grumps

I suspected her when she told Sammael definitively that Asmo was dead (I think in the 7th book). But that wasn't proof.

Shaidar Haran also says in one of the last chapters of the last book that Graendal is responsible for the deaths of 3 of the Forsaken (implication...Aran'gar, Messanna, and Asmo).

..........how the hell was Graendal responsible for Mesaana's condition?! The dream spike she gave Slayer? Still doesn't fit... Egwene smoked Mesaana head to head.

[Grumps]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

..........how the hell was Graendal responsible for Mesaana's condition?! The dream spike she gave Slayer? Still doesn't fit... Egwene smoked Mesaana head to head.

Yes, the dream spike. Because she didn't finish Perrin and allowed him to move the dream spike which prevented Mesaana from escaping. It's been a while since I read the book, but I think early on Moridin warned Graendal about being careful with the spike.

[lostknight]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Meh, I've read all those before, but there aren't any definitive answers on either yet.

What "proof" do you have that Graendal did it? I clearly missed that! (Edit: WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF they put it in the ****ing glossary? I was expecting a book reveal considering it became such a HUGE issue for years for something RJ thought was "inherently obvious" in the story... FML, that's weak)

I was hoping Taim killed him

I always got the impression from RJ's online notes that he never intended it to become such a mystery. It's a bit like Boba Fett. A random little bit that suddenly becomes really important in fan's minds.

[lostknight]

Originally Posted by Grumps

Taim is Taim...new dreadlord trained by/working for Moridin.

Problem with that is that Taim once called the Aiel the "So-called Aiel". Only someone from the Age of Legends would call the Aiel so-called.

My guess is Sammael in deep cover, or even Moridin himself.

[s0phr0syne]

Started watching the series yesterday, just finished episode 9 today



Obvi, I dig it!

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by s0phr0syne

Started watching the series yesterday, just finished episode 9 today



Obvi, I dig it!

Great bump. Completely loving this show. Mind=blown over Sunday night's ending.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

I just watched shows 1-6. What a great show. Looking forward to the rest.

[sirhcyennek81]

I bought the books. It makes some semblance of sense now.

I hate Sansa, by the way.

[spdirty]

After the first show i was like meh, but now im diggin it. Man I hope that neds daughter kills geophry. Hate that kid. Please don't spoil it for me. Love that dwarf too.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Originally Posted by spdirty

After the first show i was like meh, but now im diggin it. Man I hope that neds daughter kills geophry. Hate that kid. Please don't spoil it for me. Love that dwarf too.

The only Lancaster I like.

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

I bought the books. It makes some semblance of sense now.

I hate Sansa, by the way.

Sansa grows. If nothing else, Martin is a master of character development. If anything, the man spends too much time on it, ha!

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by UltimateHoboW/Shotgun

The only Lancaster I like.

Lannister >.>

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Originally Posted by Fedaykin

Lannister >.>

thank you

[SonOfLe-loLang]

This **** is my show right now. Must see TV. Down with Joffrey.

And I agree, Peter Dinklage may be the best part of the show.

"Preferably when I'm 80, lying in my bed with a belly fully of wine and a woman's mouth around my cock."

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

This **** is my show right now. Must see TV. Down with Joffrey.

And I agree, Peter Dinklage may be the best part of the show.

"Preferably when I'm 80, lying in my bed with a belly fully of wine and a woman's mouth around my cock."

My favorite quote, "I'm going to eat, drink and whore my way to an early grave."

[SonOfLe-loLang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owf6D2vfZqM

Dont watch this link if you didnt watch last week!!!

If you did, you MUST watch this link

[myMind]

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owf6D2vfZqM

Dont watch this link if you didnt watch last week!!!

If you did, you MUST watch this link

I had the same exact reaction when I first read the book.
Too bad my roomie didnt have a camera at hand.

[KevinJames]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Great bump. Completely loving this show. Mind=blown over Sunday night's ending.

Yeah this show is epic

my jaw dropped at the end.

I hope the blood magic works Khal Drogo and the Caleesi are favorites of mine I can't wait to see what they do with that story line.

bottom line tho awesome show.

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by KevinJames

Yeah this show is epic

my jaw dropped at the end.

I hope the blood magic works Khal Drogo and the Caleesi are favorites of mine I can't wait to see what they do with that story line.
bottom line tho awesome show.

The Khaleesi is an interesting character. She is a favorite of mine. Tough chick.

[Broncos_OTM]

Originally Posted by Jay3

You've got it backwards. Wheel of Time is murder.

Jordan had a great mind and was a awesome writer. the thing about him however was the series didnt need soe much uneccessary... they just droned on and on at times to no end. So much infact that i got lost ... but then again i have been reading his books since 94 and it would take almost forever before he would release another one. so it was hard to keep up with minor characters

[Grumps]

Originally Posted by UltimateHoboW/Shotgun

The only Lancaster I like.

Give it time.

I may not care for Martin's views or dedication to finishing the series, but he is great at developing characters. The shades of gray and character development are really well done in the series and probably the main reason for its success.