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Old 04-30-2012, 10:30 PM   #651
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Anyone else just notice DarkHorse shoot down DarkHorse30?
This is why they couldn't have Osha and Asha in the same episode.
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:39 PM   #652
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IMO, MTV has some of the trashiest television I've ever seen put on air

however, I'm not going to keep the de-railing of this thread continue....Game of Thrones is a great show/story
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:58 PM   #653
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I do think the cable shows over-play the nudity. Dexter was so into showing breasts they had one of their characters make fun of it. I suppose since the books don't get too detailed, seeing some of the violence and nudity first hand is a bit of shock. That said, I totally get why it wouldn't be for everybody.
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I do think the cable shows over-play the nudity. Dexter was so into showing breasts they had one of their characters make fun of it. I suppose since the books don't get too detailed, seeing some of the violence and nudity first hand is a bit of shock. That said, I totally get why it wouldn't be for everybody.
Please... you make it sound like it's Ghostbusters or something.
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Old 05-01-2012, 05:26 AM   #655
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It's unnecessary and over the top. They've got all sorts of things going on in the background at the whorehouse.

It limits the audience for the show, limits the number of people you can recommend it to in clear conscience, limits the age range of the show (old ladies and younger people).

I know most of you are like "Screw them, I con't care about other people, extended family, coworkers, kids, friends at church, screw them all for having a personality different from mine. If they're like that, they're defective and need to change." But it matters to me -- I enjoy having a shared experience of the story with a broad class of my fellow human beings. And Game of Thrones is so gratuitous that it inhibits that.
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It's unnecessary and over the top. They've got all sorts of things going on in the background at the whorehouse.

It limits the audience for the show, limits the number of people you can recommend it to in clear conscience, limits the age range of the show (old ladies and younger people).

I know most of you are like "Screw them, I con't care about other people, extended family, coworkers, kids, friends at church, screw them all for having a personality different from mine. If they're like that, they're defective and need to change." But it matters to me -- I enjoy having a shared experience of the story with a broad class of my fellow human beings. And Game of Thrones is so gratuitous that it inhibits that.
I feel the same way about movies with both Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan. To each his own. You clearly aren't who the show is trying to cater to.
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Getting back to discussing the show, I find I'm starting to really get annoyed at some of the changes they have made in season 2. Replacing Jeyne Westerling with the Talisa character was a pretty lame move.

And of course there is still the Mago issue at play. According to George R. R. Martin, he is due to be a important re-occurring character in the upcoming Winds of Winter, but the show already killed him off in Season 1. I just wonder how they plan on back-tracking that one.

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I feel the same way about movies with both Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan. To each his own. You clearly aren't who the show is trying to cater to.
Maybe not, even though I've read all five books and watch the show every week.

It's possible to like the show and still have a critical opinion. For example, it was dumb as rocks to end last week's show on the Vagina Smoke Man instead of Renly's murder. They should have done the cliffhanger on "what happened to Renly?" and hinted at Vagina Smoke Man.
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Getting back to discussing the show, I find I'm starting to really get annoyed at some of the changes they have made in season 2. Replacing Jeyne Westerling with the Talisa character was a pretty lame move.
I think this is headed towards an improvement. One of the weak points of the books was how unmotivated Rob's marriage seemed to us, because it occurred "off camera." That kind of stuff won't work for episodic television. So I think a sassy medic was needed to spark our interest in how he fell for his plebian wife.
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I think this is headed towards an improvement. One of the weak points of the books was how unmotivated Rob's marriage seemed to us, because it occurred "off camera." That kind of stuff won't work for episodic television. So I think a sassy medic was needed to spark our interest in how he fell for his plebian wife.

I disagree. The entire sub-plot with Jeyne was meant to underscore both Robb's youth, and his sense of honor that he inherited from his father.

Spoilerish for those who have not read the books. In the books, Robb is convalescing from an arrow wound when he receives some rather bad news from home. Jeyne Westerling, who had been tending to his injuries, attempts to confort him and being the emotional 16-17 year old kids they are, things get out of hand. Robb, being the possibly overly honorable lad that he is, chooses to marry the girl.

Honestly, in the context of the series, and given the character of Robb Stark, the entire situation made perfect sense. It also re-in-forced the continuing themes of men allowing honor to blind them from common sense often to their own demise.
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Old 05-01-2012, 09:44 AM   #661
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Hehehe - wasn't meant like that but......



And no I don't automatically think people who dislike sex on TV are bible thumping suessers, I think they have homosexual tendencies.


j/k - watch what you want while you can. If these idiot bible thumpers make it into office we're all going to be watching reboots of Mr. Rodgers neighborhood or teletubbies.
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... I think a sassy medic was needed to spark our interest in how he fell for his plebian wife.
Good point. Another thing is this. In order to streamline Arya's story, they cut out a lot of the "countryside" scenes that showed just how deadly and disruptive the civil war has become for the peasants and villagers - - something that will play a bigger role later. This was a chance to show that a lot of the rank and file citizenry and footsoldiers don't really give a damn who's in charge because they are too busy just trying to stay alive.
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Sounds like a couple people here would be better served watching the Disney channel.

No hate to people who simply don't like the books and/or how HBO does it, but I'm deadly curious: If it's vile and reprehensible as some claim, why do you still watch it and come into a thread to whine about it?

Personally, things I find vile I tend to avoid...
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Old 05-01-2012, 12:44 PM   #664
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Despite this being a fictional story, much much worse has happened in real life over the course of history re: incestruous royalty, torture, sadistic sexual tendencies, etc.

If you wanna live in a safe little bubble, have at it. Just don't write off what is shaping up to be a phenomenal television production because you thinking everything on HBO (lol) should be rated TV-G
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No hate to people who simply don't like the books and/or how HBO does it, but I'm deadly curious: If it's vile and reprehensible as some claim, why do you still watch it and come into a thread to whine about it?

Personally, things I find vile I tend to avoid...
I gave my reasons -- it's unnecessary (what people call "gratuitous") and therefore lessons the product. When something is put into the picture that seems gratuitous, it snaps you out of the "spell" that a movie or tv show can have and you, and makes it not as good. It's a criticism, and a valid one. The answer to all criticisms is not "well don't watch it." That's the answer to someone who wants it taken off the air. To someone who is watching it and enjoying it every week (myself), it's invalid to respond like that -- we are entitled to question the product on the screen, whether it's because it's boring, poorly acted, adapted from the books wrong, or in this case, containing too much gratuitous boobies. It makes a large part of the population not want to watch it, and I would prefer they make it for a slightly broader audience.
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I gave my reasons -- it's unnecessary (what people call "gratuitous") and therefore lessons the product. When something is put into the picture that seems gratuitous, it snaps you out of the "spell" that a movie or tv show can have and you, and makes it not as good. It's a criticism, and a valid one. The answer to all criticisms is not "well don't watch it." That's the answer to someone who wants it taken off the air. To someone who is watching it and enjoying it every week (myself), it's invalid to respond like that -- we are entitled to question the product on the screen, whether it's because it's boring, poorly acted, adapted from the books wrong, or in this case, containing too much gratuitous boobies. It makes a large part of the population not want to watch it, and I would prefer they make it for a slightly broader audience.



while this makes sense, and I get what you are saying- i disagree partially.


A large part of the population does watch it as it is booming and the books have become best sellers now and dinklage and some other were up or won Emmys because of this show, which is there because of the large population.

Also, the larger population of men in the world feel that any boob shot is a good shot. And not overzealous by any means. I do not feel that the show has gone too far on the boobies and ass, hell you even see hodors wang in the first series. But it is what makes the appeal. This is an adult show, which mimics real life and the book very very closely. I think most of the audience that watch this show enjoy the uncensored part of it as we can relate to this show as we do in life.

Maybe not all the whoring and such but you get what I mean. I think it is perfect!
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Wow... just be glad that they haven't shown or created the back story of "The Mountain". You'd really by boo-hooing judging by the amount you let some boobies on TV affect you. "The Mountain" is a straight evil dude that is probably the darkest character in the entire series, him or Roose Bolton's Bastard Son.
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Shouldn't Vargo Hoat be showing up soon? I'm all confused with the timeline now that they're moving things around. SPOILER: ( I know Brienne still has to escort Jaime from the riverlands and all that, but I thought Hoat took over Harrenhal well before that. Maybe its after Tywin leaves. )
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I gave my reasons -- it's unnecessary (what people call "gratuitous") and therefore lessons the product. When something is put into the picture that seems gratuitous, it snaps you out of the "spell" that a movie or tv show can have and you, and makes it not as good. It's a criticism, and a valid one. The answer to all criticisms is not "well don't watch it." That's the answer to someone who wants it taken off the air. To someone who is watching it and enjoying it every week (myself), it's invalid to respond like that -- we are entitled to question the product on the screen, whether it's because it's boring, poorly acted, adapted from the books wrong, or in this case, containing too much gratuitous boobies. It makes a large part of the population not want to watch it, and I would prefer they make it for a slightly broader audience.
What do you find gratuitous? Im curious. Every sexual act and squirmy, cringe inducing scene has happened in real life I would bet. Gay sex? yes it has. Incest? yes it has. ****ed up **** happening in a brothel? yes it has. Murder and betrayal? yes it has. Demon shadow babies? errr...maybe not so much.

What outside of your own taste and opinion says that a show should only portray the happy and moral side of life. I understand that some people dont like watching sex and grisly death, it makes them uncomfortable. These need to realize that some people don't mind the realism it adds.

Like many others here have said.
If you don't like, fine, just dont watch it, and dont bother the people who enjoy it.
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Shouldn't Vargo Hoat be showing up soon? I'm all confused with the timeline now that they're moving things around. SPOILER: ( I know Brienne still has to escort Jaime from the riverlands and all that, but I thought Hoat took over Harrenhal well before that. Maybe its after Tywin leaves. )
SPOILER: ( Vargo captures brienne and jaime as they flee south, he brings them to harrenhal where Bolton is the current lord. Bolton frees Jaime and leaves the castle to Vargo. )
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SPOILER: ( Vargo captures brienne and jaime as they flee south, he brings them to harrenhal where Bolton is the current lord. Bolton frees Jaime and leaves the castle to Vargo. )
SPOILER: ( While all true, JLessPe is right or close to right. He's introduced before the instances you mention... roughly at the time we're at now in the show only the equivalent in the books. He's the one Tywin leaves in charge when he leaves and then double crosses him by making the deal with Bolton )
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SPOILER: ( While all true, JLessPe is right or close to right. He's introduced before the instances you mention... roughly at the time we're at now in the show only the equivalent in the books. He's the one Tywin leaves in charge when he leaves and then double crosses him by making the deal with Bolton )
SPOILER: ( If Im not mistaken, we only see Hoat and his companions once through Aryas pov at Harrenhel, before he captures jaime. Since Hoat hasnt been cast, they may just leave out that scene where Arya sees them riding through the courtyard. I also doubt they will have Jaime being captured this season, though Im relatively certain he will be released this season. )
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I wrote this for my blog...admittedly not my best work, but might give you a chuckle...i hope: http://peelingtheskin.blogspot.com/2...-obsessed.html
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I'm at the end of Storm of swords, and my head is spinning at how this entire universe has been flipped on its head. I can't wait to see if/how Littlefinger, Stanis, and Jon Snow's stories intercross - and what happens when Dany crosses the sea...
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