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Old 04-30-2012, 09:52 AM   #626
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And the idea that Bill Clinton is Robert Baratheon is offensive to both men. Clinton was a draft-dodger and Robert really only knew war. Clinton is politically brilliant with a reputation for balancing the budget. Robert was politically simple-minded and spent like a mad man. Honestly Robert is Closer to Kennedy than to Clinton.
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Yes - murder and mayem is ok by me, but incest? And really all the sex scenes, it's like watching porn with your family. Seriously, think about it. Porn_with_with_your_family.....plus a little incest. Nice.

The book sounds a lot more interesting when you lay it out, but the falderal getting to the good parts is a buncha bunk.
, who said you should watch it with your kids? It's not a kids story....
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:51 AM   #628
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:22 PM   #629
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And the idea that Bill Clinton is Robert Baratheon is offensive to both men. Clinton was a draft-dodger and Robert really only knew war. Clinton is politically brilliant with a reputation for balancing the budget. Robert was politically simple-minded and spent like a mad man. Honestly Robert is Closer to W. than to Clinton.
Yes, but then the author of that chart couldn't have used the W/Hodor joke climax. Wife and I got a good chuckle out of that.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:30 PM   #630
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I dont think its even remotely debatable that more happens in SoS than aFfC and aDwD combined.

Combine that with him having to scrap his original plans two times over (1: to have a multi-year delay in between SoS and aFfC and 2: having to split book 4 into 1.5 books) along with his noted regrets for leaving things hanging as he did at the end of aDwD (also has said in next book all three dangling plot lines will be resolved VERY quickly) and you have exactly what I said... a very good story line that's just not executed nearly as well as SoS was.
Yep, yep. Not debating which book has more events. Just stating that in my opinion the quality of the epic seemed par for the course between the first three and Dance. As stated, I really enjoyed Dance. And while I would agree Feast was a little lackluster compared to the first three books, I still found it to be solid. I don't expect TacoJohn will be too disappointed.

I was not aware he was unhappy with how he left Dance though. I thought the cliffhangers were excellent, even though I think we all know where the characters are headed. Did he clarify his regrets?
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:33 PM   #631
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, who said you should watch it with your kids? It's not a kids story....
I don't think it's acceptable watching with friends, either. Sex scenes with friends...

"oh yeah, there they are dog style....just like me and you do, Lizzy"

"well, there are wolves in this show, Jim"

"lovely form, and say he lasted quite a while there....but how DOES a dwarf do that without a prop, Amanda?"

"Great question; let's discuss it at dinner"

Seriously, it's vile. I don't want it on my TV. And if the kids DO walk in, (or watch it themselves...because that is what kids do) it's nearly unexplainable....especially the incest.

Sorry gang, I'm just calling it as I see it.....opposing opinions in a GOF thread, pray tell? Blasphemy!
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:46 PM   #632
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I don't think it's acceptable watching with friends, either. Sex scenes with friends...
I find it odd that that would bother you...

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"oh yeah, there they are dog style....just like me and you do, Lizzy"

"well, there are wolves in this show, Jim"

"lovely form, and say he lasted quite a while there....but how DOES a dwarf do that without a prop, Amanda?"

"Great question; let's discuss it at dinner"

Seriously, it's vile. I don't want it on my TV. And if the kids DO walk in, (or watch it themselves...because that is what kids do) it's nearly unexplainable....especially the incest.

Sorry gang, I'm just calling it as I see it.....opposing opinions in a GOF thread, pray tell? Blasphemy!
...and I find you thinking and consciously deciding to write out this portion of the post way more awkward than the potential scenarios you've provided.
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Yep, yep. Not debating which book has more events. Just stating that in my opinion the quality of the epic seemed par for the course between the first three and Dance. As stated, I really enjoyed Dance. And while I would agree Feast was a little lackluster compared to the first three books, I still found it to be solid. I don't expect TacoJohn will be too disappointed.

I was not aware he was unhappy with how he left Dance though. I thought the cliffhangers were excellent, even though I think we all know where the characters are headed. Did he clarify his regrets?
Oh btw, might be having a book launch party (I dont want to lol) at the start of July.

If I'm forced into it, I'll PM you info and an invite.
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Great post. Martin also uses the political intricacies and nuances of the medieval political landscape, particularly including the borderline incestuous aspect of the way royals used marriage to broker agreements and gain political power, as a source of inspiration in his works. This is why, as it was back then, the story isn't cut-and-dry or working in the framework of a typical narrative. You aren't going to get a normal hero-villain story arc. I think that is what makes so good; It's originality. However I do understand why that doesn't work for everyone.

The POV nature of the books is what makes the entire thing a literary masterwork IMO. Everybody is a good guy and everybody is a bad guy depending on the perspective the story is being told from. The video adaptation cant capture that very well. We'll never get to see how Jamie Lannister views himself and the rationalizations behind his actions in the same way the book describes them in the "Jamie" POV chapters...
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The POV nature of the books is what makes the entire thing a literary masterwork IMO. Everybody is a good guy and everybody is a bad guy depending on the perspective the story is being told from. The video adaptation cant capture that very well. We'll never get to see how Jamie Lannister views himself and the rationalizations behind his actions in the same way the book describes them in the "Jamie" POV chapters...
Well you cant make that judgment until they actually kick in in the storyline which wont be until next season.

At this point in the books you absolutely still hate Jaime Lannister with a passion.
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:22 PM   #636
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Yes - murder and mayem is ok by me, but incest? And really all the sex scenes, it's like watching porn with your family. Seriously, think about it. Porn_with_with_your_family.....plus a little incest. Nice.

The book sounds a lot more interesting when you lay it out, but the falderal getting to the good parts is a buncha bunk.

History must bother you then. Royals marry other royals. Often, they are damn near brother and sister. See Nicholas II of Russia or King Tut. Then in WWI you have the royal houses of Europe engaged in war against one another and nearly all of them were related to Queen Victoria of the UK.

The porn w/ family thing...knowing what type of series GoT is I'd be leery of letting anyone under 16 watching it. But even then the show is still not as sex filled as the books are.

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I agree with TJ that it's hard to capture the same POV treatment in the series.

There are just some things that books do better. For example, remember all the poems and songs and lineages and legendary background tales that framed Tolkein's LotR. They barely scratched the surface of this stuff in over ten hours of the movie series.

Still, there's a lot that can be done on the screen to "color" someone's POV. A kindness here, a quip there, a quick exposition over there, etc. It will be interesting to see how they handle this.
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...and I find you thinking and consciously deciding to write out this portion of the post way more awkward than the potential scenarios you've provided.
It is uncomfortable scenes for public viewing. I really don't see how anybody could watch that stuff with friends or family. Just because HBO thinks its ok, doesn't make it ok with me. So Game of Thrones is ONLY OK in your own home, by yourself, without the kids watching.....it seems like......porn.

I don't like when comedy or drama turns blue. Really, it cheapens the humor and the drama. I would love to watch this drama because the story has a TON of twists and turns that Fedaykin pointed out (which I didn't have the patience to read through until it happened) BUT, when its smutty, it just cheapens the whole show. These actions can be hinted at without a full display of f'ing for you and yours, RIGHT ON YOUR TV......like.....you know
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It is uncomfortable scenes for public viewing. I really don't see how anybody could watch that stuff with friends or family. Just because HBO thinks its ok, doesn't make it ok with me. So Game of Thrones is ONLY OK in your own home, by yourself, without the kids watching.....it seems like......porn.

I don't like when comedy or drama turns blue. Really, it cheapens the humor and the drama. I would love to watch this drama because the story has a TON of twists and turns that Fedaykin pointed out (which I didn't have the patience to read through until it happened) BUT, when its smutty, it just cheapens the whole show. These actions can be hinted at without a full display of f'ing for you and yours, RIGHT ON YOUR TV......like.....you know
the news must make you feel really uncomfortable too...or how about Seinfeld addressing masturbation?
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It is uncomfortable scenes for public viewing. I really don't see how anybody could watch that stuff with friends or family. Just because HBO thinks its ok, doesn't make it ok with me. So Game of Thrones is ONLY OK in your own home, by yourself, without the kids watching.....it seems like......porn.

I don't like when comedy or drama turns blue. Really, it cheapens the humor and the drama. I would love to watch this drama because the story has a TON of twists and turns that Fedaykin pointed out (which I didn't have the patience to read through until it happened) BUT, when its smutty, it just cheapens the whole show. These actions can be hinted at without a full display of f'ing for you and yours, RIGHT ON YOUR TV......like.....you know
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It is uncomfortable scenes for public viewing. I really don't see how anybody could watch that stuff with friends or family. Just because HBO thinks its ok, doesn't make it ok with me. So Game of Thrones is ONLY OK in your own home, by yourself, without the kids watching.....it seems like......porn.

I don't like when comedy or drama turns blue. Really, it cheapens the humor and the drama. I would love to watch this drama because the story has a TON of twists and turns that Fedaykin pointed out (which I didn't have the patience to read through until it happened) BUT, when its smutty, it just cheapens the whole show. These actions can be hinted at without a full display of f'ing for you and yours, RIGHT ON YOUR TV......like.....you know
It's not porn, it's just titillation. I'll agree that most of it doesn't really add anything to the story or really the overall quality of the show (though Emilia Clarke naked should be making anyone complain), but for you to dismiss it as vile either makes you naive or sheltered.

You've probably missed out on most of the best television of the last decade in this and several other shows by being so easily offended, so squeamish and so reactionary.
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I stopped just shy of finishing the first book, haven't seen the television show and don't care to.

Saying that...if someone wants to edit out the nudie parts for Darkhorse30...I'll take them. I'll even discuss them.

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It's an HBO show, why the hell do some of you guys have HBO if it's uncomfortable to watch some of these shows?

Most HBO shows have some sort of sex, sex talk, graphic nudity, etc... in them.

Cancel your HBO and go buy some more bibles and Dr. Suess books to drool over.
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If you want a family show watch something like Merlin on the BBC. Some adults, most adults want to watch programming like Game Of Thrones. Besides a lot of the episodes have no sex.
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It's an HBO show, why the hell do some of you guys have HBO if it's uncomfortable to watch some of these shows?

Most HBO shows have some sort of sex, sex talk, graphic nudity, etc... in them.

Cancel your HBO and go buy some more bibles and Dr. Suess books to drool over.
I don't have HBO. I talked about the books that I read and referenced the show. My wife saw it at her sister's house and said it was pretty sleasy, and she was uncomfortable watching it with her and her husband.

FWIW, I think the writer is talented, but I didn't like the darkness of the novels. Now I think the slease of HBO is ruining it. I was interested in watching the show, because I thought the book was dark but well written (except for that whole incest thing, which seems to be so central - I'm not convinced), but after talking it over with my wife, I'm uninterested.

So your view is that anybody who is uncomfortable with watching actor's having sex on an HBO show is AUTOMATICALLY a bible-thumping Suesser? Whatever.
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I don't have HBO. I talked about the books that I read and referenced the show. My wife saw it at her sister's house and said it was pretty sleasy, and she was uncomfortable watching it with her and her husband.

FWIW, I think the writer is talented, but I didn't like the darkness of the novels. Now I think the slease of HBO is ruining it. I was interested in watching the show, because I thought the book was dark but well written (except for that whole incest thing, which seems to be so central - I'm not convinced), but after talking it over with my wife, I'm uninterested.

So your view is that anybody who is uncomfortable with watching actor's having sex on an HBO show is AUTOMATICALLY a bible-thumping Suesser? Whatever.
Did your wife come up with the sex talk scenario, or was that all you? Do either of you cam?
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You seem like a nice guy but you really sound like a vagina right now. Im not sure if man card should be revoked or just feel sad for you.

I mean it sounds like you are ashamed about boobs
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This thread just took a very awesome turn.
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