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Old 11-08-2005, 03:01 PM   #1201
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Emo is really a continuation of some of the stuff going in in the 80's. Sunny Day Real Estate made the genre unique and popular in the underground scene while Nirvana was performing Nevermind. Nirvana really reached its height of influence after Cobain committed suicide in the mid-to-late 90's.

Emo really doesnt have much of a connection to Nirvana outside of the garage band movement that tied them together along with acts like Pearl Jam, Afghan Whigs, Dig, etc.
I think Weezer's Pinkterton albumn is generally given the nod as emo 101. Of course, Weezer's various influences played a hand as well...Pavement comes to mind.
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Old 11-08-2005, 03:06 PM   #1202
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Old 11-08-2005, 03:15 PM   #1203
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Emo is really a continuation of some of the stuff going in in the 80's. Sunny Day Real Estate made the genre unique and popular in the underground scene while Nirvana was performing Nevermind. Nirvana really reached its height of influence after Cobain committed suicide in the mid-to-late 90's.

Emo really doesnt have much of a connection to Nirvana outside of the garage band movement that tied them together along with acts like Pearl Jam, Afghan Whigs, Dig, etc.

Well i'm not arguing when nirvana's influence was at it's peak - but the fact is, emo became more mainstream upon that point - that's the point i was making pointidly
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Old 11-08-2005, 03:19 PM   #1204
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I think Weezer's Pinkterton albumn is generally given the nod as emo 101. Of course, Weezer's various influences played a hand as well...Pavement comes to mind.

You can go further than those bands to the Pixies as a primary influence for many Emo bands. In 1988 the Pixies released "Come On Pilgrim" with the songs "Levitate Me" and "Caribou" that have alot of the vulnerable punk timbre that Emo has. The Pixies should be given credit for the garage band movement of the early 90's and the success for bands like Pavement, Nirvana, Foo Fighters, etc.

Other Emo influences are the Cure, Peter Gabriel, Depeche Mode, etc. Then you have to look at alot of the hardcore metal bands that took the aggressive vocals shown by Black Francis of the Pixies to another level.

On Weezer...there influences are a bit older. You can thank Brian May of Queen, Kiss, and the Cars for Weezer. In fact, Ric Okasic has produced for Weezer.

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Old 11-08-2005, 03:24 PM   #1205
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Well i'm not arguing when nirvana's influence was at it's peak - but the fact is, emo became more mainstream upon that point - that's the point i was making pointidly

Well, I included that bit of information to show you that they were born out of the same movement and are more like cousins than father and son. Sunny Day Real Estate played in the same venues with Nirvana in Seattle. In fact, Jeremy Enigk and co. began recording "Diary" in 1992.
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Old 11-08-2005, 03:27 PM   #1206
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Well, I included that bit of information to show you that they were born out of the same movement and are more like cousins than father and son. Sunny Day Real Estate played in the same venues with Nirvana in Seattle. In fact, Jeremy Enigk and co. began recording "Diary" in 1992.

Yah, i've been to the EMP in seattle - well i lived in seattle - and that park beside pikes place is nice, but the sprinklers come on at 5:00a
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Old 11-08-2005, 03:55 PM   #1207
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Yah, i've been to the EMP in seattle - well i lived in seattle - and that park beside pikes place is nice, but the sprinklers come on at 5:00a
Sunny Day Real Estate released the song 48 in 1993. There's a link provided below. This is not the album version, where the chorus is much more energetic and more dramatic dynamically. You get the idea though. Typical emo guitar sounds, unorthodox drumming, vocal vulnerability and vocal patterns.

Here's one of Jeremy Enigk's solo songs called Lewis Hollow. I think that you can hear some of his emo-esque influence in there. Unflortunately, he has been defined by his influence on emo while really drawing from a sort of traditional northern european folk muse.

Christ is Risen is a song that he recorded for his album "Return of the Frog Queen."

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http://www.oklahoma.net/~jlondon/sdre.html
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Old 11-08-2005, 04:05 PM   #1208
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How emo has gone from brilliant stuff like the artists that Llama mentioned to the jokers like Hawthorne Heights is beyond me. Although HH does provide, on a scale of 1-10, an unintentional comedy rating of 7,402,479 so they've got that going for them I guess.

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I"ve been into alot of stuff like Nina Simone and cuban music latley -

no lie - one of the best bands i've seen live was thin lizzy
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See i'm not a huge fan of emo - i think the most emo-ish band i like would be modest mouse - hawthorn hights and dashboard, et al - drive me nuts with all this whiney crap -

I love music, i love all kinds of music - but damn is there alot of bad music.
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How emo has gone from brilliant stuff like the artists that Llama mentioned to the jokers like Hawthorne Heights is beyond me. Although HH does provide, on a scale of 1-10, an unintentional comedy rating of 7,402,479 so they've got that going for them I guess.

Just ordered the Led Zep complete box set (I only had their first four albums, I know, blasphemous) and also found a good Motown box set. Hopefully they'll be here soon.
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Nuggets4, I think that the 13 year old girls liked the "cool" emo style, but didnt like the scary music so the record companies obliged their whims and provided them with bands like Good Charlotte and Dashboard Confessional.

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i never considered those early bands as emo, just alternative rock.
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Old 11-08-2005, 04:23 PM   #1213
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i never considered those early bands as emo, just alternative rock.
That works also Anubis, as a general category.
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Old 11-08-2005, 09:22 PM   #1214
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good emo bands: Rites of Spring, Maximillian Colby, Shotmaker, Sleepytime Trio, Heroin, Sunny Day Real Estate, Hoover, The Get Up Kids, Swing Kids, caP'n Jazz, Jimmy Eat World, Taking Back Sunday, Thursday and Underoath.

bad emo bands: Dashboard Confessional, My Chemical Romance, The Used, Fall Out Boy..........many many more
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good emo bands: Rites of Spring, Maximillian Colby, Shotmaker, Sleepytime Trio, Heroin, Sunny Day Real Estate, Hoover, The Get Up Kids, Swing Kids, caP'n Jazz, Jimmy Eat World, Taking Back Sunday, Thursday and Underoath.

bad emo bands: Dashboard Confessional, My Chemical Romance, The Used, Fall Out Boy..........many many more
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Old 11-11-2005, 05:35 PM   #1216
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Old 11-14-2005, 12:24 AM   #1217
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Old 11-14-2005, 12:25 AM   #1218
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Old 11-14-2005, 06:44 AM   #1219
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one of the best bands i've seen live was thin lizzy
You must've been a little guy then since Phil Lynott passed away in 1981. I don't think they ever regrouped after that. If you did see Phil before he shuffled off this mortal coil, then kudos to you...that guy had one of the smoothest voices ever.
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no they were in york, pa a few years ago - played at the wheelie bar in that down - so it was not the 'original' band.
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no they were in york, pa a few years ago - played at the wheelie bar in that down - so it was not the 'original' band.
Ah so they did regroup and tour then eh? Who handled the vocals?
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To be honest hogan, i don't really remember - i was a few min late to the show and was preoccupied by my female companion at times.
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Ah so they did regroup and tour then eh? Who handled the vocals?

It was Justin Timberlake.
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I must also say it wasn't in my most sober of daze either -
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I must also say it wasn't in my most sober of daze either -
You were really at the NSynch cover band "cover's the 70's" concert.
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