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Old 07-30-2008, 02:00 AM   #2951
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Oh, I don't know...I thought that summed up all the band's strengths quite nicely in a package that was solid from top to bottom. I know it's not as popular as Aqualung or as career definitive as Living In The Past, but I still consider it the apex of early Tull.
The record was a pretty good snapshot of Tull at that particular moment, but the band continued to evolve and change over time.

"Stand Up" was particularly impressive when you consider that the band had just switched guitarists.
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Old 07-30-2008, 05:26 AM   #2952
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The record was a pretty good snapshot of Tull at that particular moment, but the band continued to evolve and change over time.

"Stand Up" was particularly impressive when you consider that the band had just switched guitarists.
The apex of early Tull, yes The band always had a somewhat revolving door of musicians around Anderson...the most interesting to me is noted in bombay's quote:
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I like this one from the Rolling Stones Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus. Ian Anderson appears to be somewhat deranged
The guitarist is none other than Tony Iommi on his way towards Black Sabbath
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Speaking of The Rock And Roll Circus, everyone generally acknowledges The Who stole the show, so why not?

Moonie at his best
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Speaking of The Rock And Roll Circus, everyone generally acknowledges The Who stole the show, so why not?
I've never been much of a Who fan.

When I was in my teens, just about everyone my age was infatuated with Led Zeppelin, and The Who was sort of like your older brother's band. The consensus among my peers at that time was that there was nothing The Who could do that Led Zeppelin couldn't do a hundred times better, so who needs 'em?

Also, the smashing of the instruments thing is such a huge turn-off for me that I just can't get past it - no matter what they play. It's just so boorish and low-rent, IMO.

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The guitarist is none other than Tony Iommi on his way towards Black Sabbath
I'm so glad Martin got the gig instead (although he was so nervous he almost blew it.)

Iommi is about as mind-numbingly monotonous and one-dimensional as rock guitarists get, IMO.

Not good if you want to play with Ian Anderson.
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I've never been much of a Who fan.

When I was in my teens, just about everyone my age was infatuated with Led Zeppelin, and The Who was sort of like your older brother's band. The consensus among my peers at that time was that there was nothing The Who could do that Led Zeppelin couldn't do a hundred times better, so who needs 'em?

Also, the smashing of the instruments thing is such a huge turn-off for me that I just can't get past it - no matter what they play. It's just so boorish and low-rent, IMO.

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Well, I'll take The Who over Zep anyday...but I've been Zepped to death over the years and never really thought they were all that anyways, so that's not surprising. The only thing about The Who's legend that I dispute is that the rock operas IMHO, really didn't work. I never thought Tommy was all that successful an album (convoluted story, didn't really flow well and had bad production) That clip of "A Quick One" is one of the rare times when something like that worked...the studio version sure didn't.
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I'm so glad Martin got the gig instead (although he was so nervous he almost blew it.)

Iommi is about as mind-numbingly monotonous and one-dimensional as rock guitarists get, IMO.

Not good if you want to play with Ian Anderson.
Maybe that's why he only lasted a week
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I've never been much of a Who fan.

When I was in my teens, just about everyone my age was infatuated with Led Zeppelin, and The Who was sort of like your older brother's band. The consensus among my peers at that time was that there was nothing The Who could do that Led Zeppelin couldn't do a hundred times better, so who needs 'em?

Also, the smashing of the instruments thing is such a huge turn-off for me that I just can't get past it - no matter what they play. It's just so boorish and low-rent, IMO.

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Oh yeah? Well who the **** are you?
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I dunno, but a policeman knew my name...
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Well, I'll take The Who over Zep anyday...but I've been Zepped to death over the years and never really thought they were all that anyways, so that's not surprising.
Plant > Daltrey
Page > Townshend
Jones > Entwistle
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The only thing about The Who's legend that I dispute is that the rock operas IMHO, really didn't work. I never thought Tommy was all that successful an album (convoluted story, didn't really flow well and had bad production) That clip of "A Quick One" is one of the rare times when something like that worked...the studio version sure didn't.
I thought the film itself was cool (sort of) but the music was lame.
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Page > Townshend
Jones > Entwistle
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JMO.
I disagree on all counts...to put it as mildly as I possibly can.



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Oh you've got to be kidding me...That thing was close to being unwatchable IMO (save for the Moon appearances and Ann-Margret rolling around in beans). I'll take Quadrophenia over it (both film and album) anyday and twice on Sundays.
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Frankly, I always thought Jethro Tull sucked balls. That damn flute always gave me the image of hippies frolicking in a meadow. And those mystical lyrics...ugh. Not my cup of tea at all.

On the Who vs. Zepp debate...I enjoy both, but I've gotta go with the Who as the better band. Pages' playing got too repetitive at times, Plants' voice could become a tad annoying over the course of an entire album, and the lyrics were a bit uninteresting when written by Page and too damned mystical when penned by Plant.
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Oh you've got to be kidding me...That thing was close to being unwatchable IMO (save for the Moon appearances and Ann-Margret rolling around in beans). I'll take Quadrophenia over it (both film and album) anyday and twice on Sundays.
That's why I said "sort of."
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....and the lyrics were a bit uninteresting when written by Page and too damned mystical when penned by Plant.
Page wrote lyrics?
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Jethro Tull was different though didn't sound like the other bands. The Who were a little more versatile then Led Zep was. Led Zep was more the hard blues band with soaring lyrics. Still though both bands had great drummers who died and famous lead guitar players so they have some stuff in common.
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Frankly, I always thought Jethro Tull sucked balls. That damn flute always gave me the image of hippies frolicking in a meadow. And those mystical lyrics...ugh. Not my cup of tea at all.

On the Who vs. Zepp debate...I enjoy both, but I've gotta go with the Who as the better band. Pages' playing got too repetitive at times, Plants' voice could become a tad annoying over the course of an entire album, and the lyrics were a bit uninteresting when written by Page and too damned mystical when penned by Plant.
Ian Anderson is the name of that flute player I think. He's a good player but I have to agree that its pretty hard to work flute into a rock band. There is a reason the saxophone is the woodwind of choice when it comes to rock.
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Frankly, I always thought Jethro Tull sucked balls....
I guess you had to be there.

I think ~98% of all popular music recorded since about 1980 sucks balls, so I guess it's all relative.
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Page wrote lyrics?
Pretty sure he wrote the songs in full during the early days of the band, but I'm sure Hogan can confirm. There is certainly a variance in style lyrically between early Led Zep and later.
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The Who were a little more versatile then Led Zep was.
Are you serious?

Led Zeppelin's music drew from a much broader range of styles than The Who's.

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Led Zep was more the hard blues band with soaring lyrics.
LZ started out as a "hard blues" band, but they didn't stay that way for very long. Each successive album drew from a broader range of musical styles, e.g., acoustic fingerstyle ala Bert Jansch and Joni Mitchell, traditional Celtic folk, Indo-Carnatic melodies, Arabic modes, and more.

Not sure what "soaring lyrics" means.

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Still though both bands had great drummers who died and famous lead guitar players so they have some stuff in common.
Is Townshend really famous for his lead work? Most of his fans would probably say he's more noted for his rhythm work.

Moon couldn't carry Bonzo's practice pads, IMO.
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Pretty sure he wrote the songs in full during the early days of the band...
Um, no.
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Ian Anderson is the name of that flute player I think. He's a good player but I have to agree that its pretty hard to work flute into a rock band.
For something that's supposed to be so hard, Tull was pretty successful doing it.

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Just put on Live at Leeds and crank it.

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I'm not aware of Page actually writing very much lyrically, that's more of Plant's domain and the main reason for all the hippy dippy fantasy bullshat. Page is solely credited with a few songs here and there ("Dazed And Confused") but I believe his main input overall was song construction and not lyrics.

I'd agree with The Who being more versitle, but more than anything, The Who was much more creative....any doubts can be easily erased by looking at not only the bodies of work of each band, but also the individual members themselves, who all (save for Moon) had decent and quality solo careers outside of the band whereas only Plant has gone on to anything of note musically (The Firm was a disaster and I do not count producing as the same as actual music creation, so Jones does not count). Zep also never attempted anything as complex an idea as Tommy, Lifehouse or Quadrophenia...lofty concepts that sometimes escaped The Who themselves.

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For something that's supposed to be so hard, Tull was pretty successful doing it.

Well, if it was so easy, more bands would've done it. It is hard to intergrate instruments like that into the rock band form...even Tull itself was not wholly successful in doing so all of the time. Yeah, sometimes the flute grates and I do have to concede that a little Jethro Tull does go a very long way unless one is truly committed but IMHO, the early records (before the formula set in) are pretty rewarding listenings in small doses.

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