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Old 04-13-2008, 10:46 PM   #2676
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They sent rock in a horriable direction i do like there tunes but it really hurt rock in the long term.
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Old 04-14-2008, 01:07 AM   #2677
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I am somewhat of a fan.

But I like this song mostly due to Russell Allen's singing.

THe best metal vocalist ever.

I like how this band uses different musicians and singers on their albums. Gives them a lot of diversity.
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Old 04-14-2008, 08:34 AM   #2678
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They sent rock in a horriable direction i do like there tunes but it really hurt rock in the long term.
That's debatable.....then again, anything that brought down hair metal was okay in my book. That stuff just had to go.
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Old 04-14-2008, 10:37 AM   #2679
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That Victor Wooten is one bad mof*@ka.
You cain't hold no grooooove if you aint got no pocket!

VicWooten is as clearly atop the world of bass as Jaco was.

Did you guys know that Vic began playing bass at 2? 2 years old!

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Old 04-14-2008, 10:39 AM   #2680
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I dont think Nirvana sent rock in a horrible direction. Like every genre you have your A class bands, B class bands, and C class bands. But Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and Nine Inch Nails were some of the best bands to come out of that era. But, when you get a lot of copycats it progressively gets worse. Same thing happened to cock rock (hair metal). The scene just got flooded with subpar bands trying to cash in on the innovators of their era's.
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Old 04-14-2008, 10:44 AM   #2681
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That's debatable.....then again, anything that brought down hair metal was okay in my book. That stuff just had to go.
Agreed.

Nirvana, though, was just rehashing things that had already been done before them, even in their own generation.

Cobain's influences are easily seen if you know what youre looking at. The biggest direct contemporary influence being The Pixies.

Also, Nirvana would not have been as widespread had Cobain not gone the coward's route and blown his own head to bits. People forget that Pearl Jam was the more palatable of the two as far as accessibility to the mainstream goes. It wasnt until well after Cobain's death that the Nirvana fans were no longer considered outsiders to the mainstream even of rock music. Your local football team could put Pearl Jam's "Evenflow" on the warm-up tape and not bat an eye, while the dude that dared put Nirvana's "Rape Me" would be ridiculed.

Nirvana's trajectory was sent through the roof by Cobain's suicide.

Had he remained alive, Nirvana likely would have released In Utero and then folded up the tent. Where would they be then?
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Old 04-14-2008, 10:57 AM   #2682
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Agreed.

Nirvana, though, was just rehashing things that had already been done before them, even in their own generation.

Cobain's influences are easily seen if you know what youre looking at. The biggest direct contemporary influence being The Pixies.

Also, Nirvana would not have been as widespread had Cobain not gone the coward's route and blown his own head to bits. People forget that Pearl Jam was the more palatable of the two as far as accessibility to the mainstream goes. It wasnt until well after Cobain's death that the Nirvana fans were no longer considered outsiders to the mainstream even of rock music. Your local football team could put Pearl Jam's "Evenflow" on the warm-up tape and not bat an eye, while the dude that dared put Nirvana's "Rape Me" would be ridiculed.

Nirvana's trajectory was sent through the roof by Cobain's suicide.

Had he remained alive, Nirvana likely would have released In Utero and then folded up the tent. Where would they be then?

Maybe out west. On the east coast Nirvana was huge before Cobain's death. Obviously his death put them on a questionable "legendary" status but they were quite popular over on this side of the states before he killed himself.
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Old 04-14-2008, 11:24 AM   #2683
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Maybe out west. On the east coast Nirvana was huge before Cobain's death. Obviously his death put them on a questionable "legendary" status but they were quite popular over on this side of the states before he killed himself.
Sure.

"Teen Spirit", "Come As You Are", and "In Bloom" got airplay regularly by the big-buck outlets like Clear Channel, etc.

In Utero, however was recieved with curiosity. They had brought in Steve Albini to rough up/open up the sound of the album and and later Scott Litt (produced a few of REM's famous records) to clean up the singles.

Nirvana was beginning to push the envelope to legitimize their legacy. Cobain felt that he would not be able to continue to do so for very long in a meaningful manner.

Cobain said several times before his death that Nirvana was about to collapse under the weight. In all probablility, Nirvana would not have released another record at all if you take Cobain seriously. He was enjoying raking in the cash and shooting up dope too much, I guess.
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Old 04-14-2008, 12:26 PM   #2684
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Maybe out west. On the east coast Nirvana was huge before Cobain's death. Obviously his death put them on a questionable "legendary" status but they were quite popular over on this side of the states before he killed himself.
AIC was bigger in seattle IMO - to the point that sometimes they are "overrated" in SEA, but not say in... central PA where they are "underrated" with allot of people.
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AIC was bigger in seattle IMO - to the point that sometimes they are "overrated" in SEA, but not say in... central PA where they are "underrated" with allot of people.
I believe it. Seattle was home to a great many bands so i dont disagree with your point on that. It was definitely the album "Dirt" that got the ball rolling on the east coast. But the funny thing is i had become a fan of theirs prior to moving out in Maryland. I went to the Clash of the Titans show at Red Rocks in 90' which featured Slayer, Megadeth, and Anthrax. And of course Alice n Chains. A great many people were like WTF is this ****? They were definitely the odd band on the bill but it was than that they got a lot of respect from me as a fan. I remember some of the fans throwing stuff at AIC while they were playing. But, Staley always the cool customer was making comments like ", you missed me you big harry ****er!" I just thought that was the greatest thing for a band who was out of place that day. Great memories.
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I believe it. Seattle was home to a great many bands so i dont disagree with your point on that. It was definitely the album "Dirt" that got the ball rolling on the east coast. But the funny thing is i had become a fan of theirs prior to moving out in Maryland. I went to the Clash of the Titans show at Red Rocks in 90' which featured Slayer, Megadeth, and Anthrax. And of course Alice n Chains. A great many people were like WTF is this ****? They were definitely the odd band on the bill but it was than that they got a lot of respect from me as a fan. I remember some of the fans throwing stuff at AIC while they were playing. But, Staley always the cool customer was making comments like ", you missed me you big harry ****er!" I just thought that was the greatest thing for a band who was out of place that day. Great memories.
haha! that's a good story. The thing is, AIC was "heavy".....

But that being said, i do love me some badmoterfinger from soundgarden. Ahhh, what happens when you mix black sabbath & zepplin. Tasty tasty!
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Old 04-14-2008, 01:48 PM   #2689
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Great band...

It's been a while since I've listen to prog tech metal. Recently, I've been going through a prog binge.

Atheist with their crazy music always kept me interested.
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Yep, they are definitely up there with Cynic.
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Old 04-16-2008, 01:08 AM   #2691
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I liked their work, but it was just inconsistent overall.

Veil of Maya is truly a masterpiece.

That one album showed alot of potential.

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That's debatable.....then again, anything that brought down hair metal was okay in my book. That stuff just had to go.
Sure, but at least some of those hair metal guys had some aspiration to musicianship, knew how to play their instruments, etc. Nirvana and the bands that followed in their footsteps simply replaced 80s rock with a bunch of deconstructionist, emperor's new clothes slacker sh*t, IMO.
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You cain't hold no grooooove if you aint got no pocket!

VicWooten is as clearly atop the world of bass as Jaco was.

Did you guys know that Vic began playing bass at 2? 2 years old!

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By the way...Vic Wooten's "A Show of Hands" is a must-own for any stringed instrument player (yes, even you moon luters in Vietnam ). Classical Thump is fun.
This guy (a buddy of Vic's) is no slouch either:

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Sure, but at least some of those hair metal guys had some aspiration to musicianship, knew how to play their instruments, etc. Nirvana and the bands that followed in their footsteps simply replaced 80s rock with a bunch of deconstructionist, emperor's new clothes slacker sh*t, IMO.
Oh geeze, here we go again.....
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David Lindley, basically a session guy whose "El Rayo-X" goes beyond mere session guy records, dips into some Louisiana sound and comes up with this classic that burned up my cassette deck (yes, it was that long ago) when I resided briefly in NOLA.

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Oh geeze, here we go again.....
Sorry, it's just that it takes more than a few cowboy chords and an attitude to impress some of us.
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Sorry, it's just that it takes more than a few cowboy chords and an attitude to impress some of us.
..and the man calls me a musical snob
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Stating your likes and dislikes doesn't make you a musical snob - it's forgetting to include the "IMO" or "JMO" at the end.
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Stating your likes and dislikes doesn't make you a musical snob - it's forgetting to include the "IMO" or "JMO" at the end.
Nice dodge....like that covers anything up.

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