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Old 03-23-2011, 06:39 PM   #1
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Points of note: Von Miller to Denver, Patrick Peterson goes #7

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Old 03-23-2011, 06:40 PM   #2
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Good thing because McShay's top 10 mock = #losing
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1) Dareus is in play, as is a QB. Hit

2) No way Denver takes Miller here. If they pick #2 it's either Dareus or Peterson. Miss

3) Gabbert may well be the choice if he's on the board. Otherwise it's Miller or Peterson. Hit

4) Aj Green is perfectly reasonable here. Hit

5) No way, no how does AZ draft a QB in the first round (unless they trade way back) Big Miss

6) Bowers? Even if Cle were to take DL here, It would be Fairley. Miss

7) The most laughable on the list. Forgetting for a moment that I hope Denver takes Peterson....If they don't, he will be in play for every single team between 3-6. No way all 4 pass on him. Miss

8) Fairley is a reasonable pick for Tenn if he's there. Hit

9) There won;t be an OL taken in the top 10...Period. Miss

10) Jones would be in play for Shanny if he's there but I think he'll go BPA front 7. Hit

Mine:
1) CAR Dareus
2) DEN Peterson
3) BUF Gabbert
4) CIN AJ
5) AZ Miller
6) CLE Jones
7) SF Prince
8) TEN Newton
9) DAL Bowers
10) WAS Fairley
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1) Dareus is in play, as is a QB. Hit

2) No way Denver takes Miller here. If they pick #2 it's either Dareus or Peterson. Miss

3) Gabbert may well be the choice if he's on the board. Otherwise it's Miller or Peterson. Hit

4) Aj Green is perfectly reasonable here. Hit

5) No way, no how does AZ draft a QB in the first round (unless they trade way back) Big Miss

6) Bowers? Even if Cle were to take DL here, It would be Fairley. Miss

7) The most laughable on the list. Forgetting for a moment that I hope Denver takes Peterson....If they don't, he will be in play for every single team between 3-6. No way all 4 pass on him. Miss

8) Fairley is a reasonable pick for Tenn if he's there. Hit

9) There won;t be an OL taken in the top 10...Period. Miss

10) Jones would be in play for Shanny if he's there but I think he'll go BPA front 7. Hit

Mine:
1) CAR Dareus
2) DEN Peterson
3) BUF Gabbert
4) CIN AJ
5) AZ Miller
6) CLE Jones
7) SF Prince
8) TEN Newton
9) DAL Bowers
10) WAS Fairley
Peterson could very likely fall. These things never work out as planned.

McShay's mock went a little against the grain, which is why I found it interesting in the first place. The DB from Nebraska is just about level with Peterson after Peterson proved to be Vince Young-level stupid.
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Old 03-23-2011, 07:54 PM   #7
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1) Dareus is in play, as is a QB. Hit

2) No way Denver takes Miller here. If they pick #2 it's either Dareus or Peterson. Miss

3) Gabbert may well be the choice if he's on the board. Otherwise it's Miller or Peterson. Hit

4) Aj Green is perfectly reasonable here. Hit

5) No way, no how does AZ draft a QB in the first round (unless they trade way back) Big Miss

6) Bowers? Even if Cle were to take DL here, It would be Fairley. Miss

7) The most laughable on the list. Forgetting for a moment that I hope Denver takes Peterson....If they don't, he will be in play for every single team between 3-6. No way all 4 pass on him. Miss

8) Fairley is a reasonable pick for Tenn if he's there. Hit

9) There won;t be an OL taken in the top 10...Period. Miss

10) Jones would be in play for Shanny if he's there but I think he'll go BPA front 7. Hit

Mine:
1) CAR Dareus
2) DEN Peterson
3) BUF Gabbert
4) CIN AJ
5) AZ Miller
6) CLE Jones
7) SF Prince
8) TEN Newton
9) DAL Bowers
10) WAS Fairley

you seem to be forgetting that you are putting who you want and not who is needed for Denver.

Denver will go 1 of 3 ways at 2.
1)Dareus is there and we make an amzingly fast pick
2)Dareus is gone and we go with Miller or Fairley since front 7 remains the biggest area of need for this team
3)Dareus is gone, they are not high on Miller or Fairley at 2, and feel they can move baack a few slots and still get one of them or possibly peterson.

no chance in hell is Peterson selected at 2

also, it is not out of the question that Carolina, Arizona, Buffalo, Cincinatti, San Francisco, Tennessee, or Washington all take a hard look at a QB. which is why i am ecstatic that Newton and Gabbert both had strong pro days. if any of those teams after Carolina want Newton or Gabbert and are worried about someone taking the one they want before their pick we can potentially be in prime position to move back a few slots, pick up an extra pick or 2, and still be in strong position to get Fairley or Peterson if that is in fact the direction the team wants to go.

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According to NFL Network's Mike Mayock, "everybody in the league" feels it would be an "upset" of the Broncos don't draft Alabama DT Marcell Dareus with the No. 2 pick in the draft.
"Everybody in the league" is apparently already resigned to the fact that Carolina is drafting a quarterback. Dareus easily makes the most sense for a Denver team with perhaps the poorest defensive tackle depth chart in football. Dareus would give the Broncos another front-seven building block between young defensive end starters Elvis Dumervil (RE) and Robert Ayers (LE).
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god i hope Ayers has a career resurgance going back to his natural position, and gives us a good set of bookends on the DL
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this has been the worst top ten i have seen in years. im not all that impressed with anyone
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god i hope Ayers has a career resurgance going back to his natural position, and gives us a good set of bookends on the DL
Things will start looking up if the Broncos snag Dareus/Miller and then a DT/LB/S in round 2.

To build a good defense, you have to win in the trenches. The Broncos have the worst defensive line in the league based on their play last year. Bringing in young talent (and hopefully a free agent or two) could go a long way toward making the defense not just respectable, but feared.
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god i hope Ayers has a career resurgance going back to his natural position, and gives us a good set of bookends on the DL
Dareus is going to make the entire line better.
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Things will start looking up if the Broncos snag Dareus/Miller and then a DT/LB/S in round 2.

To build a good defense, you have to win in the trenches. The Broncos have the worst defensive line in the league based on their play last year. Bringing in young talent (and hopefully a free agent or two) could go a long way toward making the defense not just respectable, but feared.
agreed. exactly why i am so completely against Peterson. if this team didn't have without question the worst front 7 in the league, if it was even a mediocre front 7 i would be receptive to drafting Peterson, but a high school JV football team's running could gash our defense for 150yards and a couple hundred passing yards.

if Dareus is available that has to be the pick
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No, not per Roto. It clearly says it's from Mayock.

Roto doesn't report ****, they put their own spin on real reporters takes.
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Dareus is going to make the entire line better.
he will make the whole defense look better. if he can be good, it prevents teams from rolling out double teams on Doom, meaning we may finally be capable of getting pressure with our DL alone and that will enable our LB to make plays instead of having to cover for the weak line as much. also, as has always been obvious in football, if your DL is good it makes even a weak secondary look better than it actually is.
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Here's the main reason I dont see Peterson as a possibility in Denver.

The Broncos just paid Champ Bailey with a big contract. That limits the money that Denver will want to spend at his position. Peterson plays his position and will immediately have a substantial contract.

So Denver would essentially waste a big chunk of their money on corners if they drafted Peterson. That would leave too many gaps in too many other places.
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you seem to be forgetting that you are putting who you want and not who is needed for Denver.
I did neither. I listed how I think the draft will fall.
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The DB from Nebraska is just about level with Peterson after Peterson proved to be Vince Young-level stupid.
I agree. That's why I only have them 5 picks apart.
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I did neither. I listed how I think the draft will fall.
if it falls that way, Elway, Fox and Xanders are going to be out of a job within 3 years, because that will be the epitome of stupid. that pick will make the draft mistakes of McDaniels look like genius moves.
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we aren't taking a DB at number 2. Get it out of your head.
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No, not per Roto. It clearly says it's from Mayock.

Roto doesn't report ****, they put their own spin on real reporters takes.
try reading the entire quote, mayock is very clearly recognized for what he said.
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try reading the entire quote, mayock is very clearly recognized for what he said.
Really? You said "per Roto". Try understanding that I was referring to you. There is nothing that is "per Roto" because they don't report anything.
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Really? You said "per Roto". Try understanding that I was referring to you. There is nothing that is "per Roto" because they don't report anything.
the exact quote, including the report of the quote and their commentary, was copy and pasted DIRECTLY from roto. quit crying about trivial ****, every single person is getting cited.
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if it falls that way, Elway, Fox and Xanders are going to be out of a job within 3 years, because that will be the epitome of stupid. that pick will make the draft mistakes of McDaniels look like genius moves.
Hey, my preference is to trade back but barring that, what would you have them do if they are 'stuck' with #2 and Dareus goes #1?

Fairley? Bowers?

Picking the consensus BPA is hardly the 'epitome of stupid'. Reading between the lines, Peterson looks like an Elway pick to me (Even if Dareus is still there). It's safe....Just like the Fox hire.


EFX will be judged on what they do as a whole with picks #2, 36, 46 & 67.

Are you so hung up on NOT taking Peterson that you'd rather have a draft of, say:

#2 Dareus DT
#36 Rudolph TE
#46 Leshoure RB
#67 Barksdale RT

Than, say:

#2 Peterson CB
#36 Paea DT
#46 Carter S
#67 Casey DT

Those are all technically positions of need and about where those guys will go. You'd honestly consider Draft A a success and Draft B a failure because the former had Dareus & the latter had Peterson?

Again, I hope they can trade down a few spots and still be able to grab Peterson, Dareus or Miller. I'd even be okay with going all the way down to the middle of the 1st if they got full value. Liuget would be there in that range and will be every bit as good as Dareus and Fairley.
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