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Old 03-15-2011, 02:14 PM   #1
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Interesting article and VERY good read......a lot of detail, and he explains the design very well and yes, in an easy to read and (what I find to be) interesting way.

http://www.businessinsider.com/japan...no-risk-2011-3
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Old 03-15-2011, 02:19 PM   #2
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I actually saw this article yesterday and yes, it's a good read.

If you start checking out articles/information outside of the major media outlets, they're all kind of saying this.

I think the media is once again guilty of sensationalizing a story for their own personal gain.
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Old 03-15-2011, 02:22 PM   #3
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I actually saw this article yesterday and yes, it's a good read.

If you start checking out articles/information outside of the major media outlets, they're all kind of saying this.

I think the media is once again guilty of sensationalizing a story for their own personal gain.
Yeah.....he's basically saying a complete meltdown, or core leak into the environment just CAN'T happen in this case....that the "3rd containment" would prevent it.

He also explains how the "moderator rods" killed the nuclear chain reaction instantaneously when the earthquake occurred.

So I guess mhgaffney can blow it out his arse.

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Old 03-15-2011, 02:29 PM   #4
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You just sparked a war with Gaff...

May heaven help us.

Ps. Use mininukes.

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Old 03-15-2011, 02:30 PM   #5
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You just sparked a war with Gaff...

May heaven help us.

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http://www.zerohedge.com/article/rem...all-safe-paper


http://geniusnow.com/2011/03/15/the-...-josef-oehmen/
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It is interesting article but the guy isn't a nuclear or structural engineer.


"Dr. Josef Oehmen is risk management in the value chain, with a special focus on lean product development."

http://lean.mit.edu/about/lai-struct...f/oehmen-josef

Lean Manufacturing is about optimization of the process flow.
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It is interesting article but the guy isn't a nuclear or structural engineer.


"Dr. Josef Oehmen is risk management in the value chain, with a special focus on lean product development."

http://lean.mit.edu/about/lai-struct...f/oehmen-josef

Lean Manufacturing is about optimization of the process flow.
Yeah, I know what lean manufacturing is. I have an MBA. I never looked into who Josef Oehmen is or specifically what his background is.....and while the links that you and Gutless posted are slightly interesting.....I see nowhere anything within those links disputing any of the specifics in the article that I posted.......

I know alot about astronomy.....but I'm not an astronomer.....just sayin'.....
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Yeah, I know what lean manufacturing is. I have an MBA. I never looked into who Josef Oehmen is or specifically what his background is.....and while the links that you and Gutless posted are slightly interesting.....I see nowhere anything within those links disputing any of the specifics in the article that I posted.......

I know alot about astronomy.....but I'm not an astronomer.....just sayin'.....
I posted the lean manufacturing definition for those in the community that didn't know what it was. It wasn't directed at anyone.

As the piece itself, I will tell that I work with some pretty smart nuclear engineers and they are still unsure what the outcome will be because they don't have all the data. So I take Dr. Oehmen appraisal with more of grain of salt and believe that situation is very fluid and deadly at the given time.

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Oehmen's father is involved in the nuclear industry:

http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/1...e-explanation/

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a summary on the situation prepared by Dr Josef Oehmen, a research scientist at MIT, in Boston. He is a PhD Scientist, whose father has extensive experience in Germany’s nuclear industry.
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Old 03-15-2011, 05:44 PM   #11
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Interesting article and VERY good read......a lot of detail, and he explains the design very well and yes, in an easy to read and (what I find to be) interesting way.

http://www.businessinsider.com/japan...no-risk-2011-3
They are saying best case 3 mile island.
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Old 03-15-2011, 06:27 PM   #12
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You know whats really funny. Wind and Solar power has killed more people in the last 30 years. .
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You know whats really funny. Wind and Solar power has killed more people in the last 30 years. .
Yeah but it hasn't left square miles of the planet uninhabitable for 100 years while soil and groundwater becomes contaminated. But what the **** the planet will heal itself.
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Yeah but it hasn't left square miles of the planet uninhabitable for 100 years while soil and groundwater becomes contaminated. But what the **** the planet will heal itself.
Wrong again. Check the the two cities that got bombed in japan.
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They are saying best case 3 mile island.
And 3 Mile Island released about as much radiation as a chest x-ray.
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Wrong again. Check the the two cities that got bombed in japan.
See Chernobyl, Russia. Best case is 300 years until it can support humans in the region. Worst case 900.
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You sure about that? UN says 4,000 people died from Chernobyl while Belarus claims 93,000. Real answer is probably somewhere in between.

All that being said, I am a big fan of nuclear power. Far better solution that gas, coal, or oil.
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The evacuated the plant due to high radiation. There is nobody tending the store.
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I think nuclear power is probably dead for the next 20-30 years. I can't imagine being a politician that has to face your voters and telling them that you favor putting a nuclear plant in their back yard. I think we'll hear a lot of bravado and chest puffing about the things that went right here, but at the end of the day this is going to be between politicians and voters.
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You sure about that? UN says 4,000 people died from Chernobyl while Belarus claims 93,000. Real answer is probably somewhere in between.

All that being said, I am a big fan of nuclear power. Far better solution that gas, coal, or oil.

Only 50 actually died from the accident. Those that died from exposure is mostly conjecture. While people like to attribute many deaths to the exposure, the fact remains that its possible that no one really died and it was mostly the media that made up the huge numbers.
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Only 50 actually died from the accident. Those that died from exposure is mostly conjecture. While people like to attribute many deaths to the exposure, the fact remains that its possible that no one really died and it was mostly the media that made up the huge numbers.
Where'd you see this -- on FOX? The number is garbage.

No one knows the total number of dead - -but it's very large. I saw one estimate of 900,000+.

Chernobyl was (is) much worse than the Soviet authorities admitted -- and much worse than most experts in the US want to publicly acknowledge.

The radiation has negatively affected just about every quantifiable measure of health in Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine. Even the average level of IQ has dropped measurably.

I say "is" because Chernobyl is not over. It will continue to wreak destruction fore many centuries.
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Only 50 actually died from the accident. Those that died from exposure is mostly conjecture. While people like to attribute many deaths to the exposure, the fact remains that its possible that no one really died and it was mostly the media that made up the huge numbers.
Wasn't media who came up with those numbers. One was the UN's Atomic Energy Commission and the other was Belarus's commission.
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The evacuated the plant due to high radiation. There is nobody tending the store.
I heard that also. CNN expert ripping on the Japanese for having 6 reactors at the same site. When you think about it, that does sound kinda stupid.
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Apparently the 50 figure was in reference to Japan. I thought the post was regarding Chernobyl.

Wednesday AM -- things look worse than ever for Japan.
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I just got back from the Ukraine, there are actually tours to chernobyl now. I didn't do it of course but it's possible. There are people that still actually live there in fact. Check out this chick that rides her motorcycle through chernobyl: http://www.kiddofspeed.com/ .

Another little known fact, up until 2000, chernobyl was still providing power and people worked there.

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