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Old 03-13-2011, 07:09 PM   #1
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Old 03-13-2011, 07:38 PM   #2
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I'm watching it, the thing that still surprises me is that the majority of them went on to have very successful pro careers.
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That part about the full story of "the time out" was crazy.
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Old 03-13-2011, 07:55 PM   #5
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Just like back then. A lot of HYPE about a team that never won a damn thing. They remind me of the chuggers. All hype with NOTHING to back it up
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Old 03-13-2011, 08:38 PM   #6
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Pretty good stuff...amazing the amount of hatred the alumni from Michigan had against those guys. Pretty sad the timeout part wad intense, couldn't even IMAGINE how you'd feel after an eff up that big
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I'm watching it now. Like it was just said, a lot of hype for a team that never won.

I don't feel bad for them or Weber. Seeing that three of them became multimillionaires and at least Weber was getting paid while in college. Sorry, but I don't feel bad for them.

Actually, I think people make too much of a big deal out of the Fab 5. They never won anything.

HBO is showing Runnin' Rebels of UNLV tonight. That was an amazing team back in 1990. I think I'll watch that.
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Old 03-13-2011, 08:55 PM   #8
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I thought it was pretty good. I don't much care for ESPN, mostly b/c they over-sensationalize everything on sports center. They usually nail their documentary stuff, though (the 30 for 30 series was great), and this was no different...

Regardless of whether or not they "won anything", the definitely made their mark...
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I found it interesting, wish Webber would had commented.
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That part about the full story of "the time out" was crazy.
It was said at the time that if you got the UNC marked credit card that year, it had a picture Chris Webber calling time out.
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One point that was made, which annoys me, was the point of paying college athletes. Michigan, Nike, and others, made a lot of money off of the Fab 5, and they complained about being broke college students.

I'm am 100% against paying college students. Rose, Weber, and Howard were put on a stage, at no charge to them, and given free personal training that helped them become multimillionaires.

Back then skipping college wasn't the norm. The road to the NBA was by playing college basketball. And it was free for those players. Everything was free. Without the NCAA, those players wouldn't have become multimillionaires. So I don't think that the players are being taken advantage of. If they feel that they are being taken advantage of, then don't go play college sports. Sit out a year and then go to the NBA, or if you're a football player, sit out three years and then go to the NFL (good luck with that one).
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watched 5 minutes and it was a waste of my time. Championship? No.
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i think people are missing the point if they think the fab 5 would only be relevant if they won.
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One point that was made, which annoys me, was the point of paying college athletes. Michigan, Nike, and others, made a lot of money off of the Fab 5, and they complained about being broke college students.

I'm am 100% against paying college students. Rose, Weber, and Howard were put on a stage, at no charge to them, and given free personal training that helped them become multimillionaires.

Back then skipping college wasn't the norm. The road to the NBA was by playing college basketball. And it was free for those players. Everything was free. Without the NCAA, those players wouldn't have become multimillionaires. So I don't think that the players are being taken advantage of. If they feel that they are being taken advantage of, then don't go play college sports. Sit out a year and then go to the NBA, or if you're a football player, sit out three years and then go to the NFL (good luck with that one).
Your point is valid for about 10% of the cast. How would you feel as Ivan Douglas, Bryce Bishop or Brandon Joe blocking for Maurice Clarett? Neither went on to the NFL, but think of how much cash that National Championship team brought in to the school.
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i think people are missing the point if they think the fab 5 would only be relevant if they won.
It is interesting that the Fab 5 became more than a basketball team, they were a part of pop culture.

I guess I, and others, don't put much value on that. It's about winning titles.

Thinking back to that era, late 80s and early 90s, the Niners and Cowboys were winning titles. The Showtime Lakers and Bird's Celtics had just given way to Jordan's Bulls, and the Piston's Bad Boys were in there. Miami was hot in college football. The Oakland A's had the Bash Brothers and Ricky Henderson.

There was so much greatness in sports, it's hard to champion the Fab 5. Okay, they made wearing black socks and longer shorts popular.

I'm watching the HBO special on UNLV. That 1990 team was pretty much the same as the Fab 5. Same culture, same image. But UNLV won the title, in blowout fashion. The Fab 5 didn't.
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Your point is valid for about 10% of the cast. How would you feel as Ivan Douglas, Bryce Bishop or Brandon Joe blocking for Maurice Clarett? Neither went on to the NFL, but think of how much cash that National Championship team brought in to the school.
They received a free education and lived off of the university for free while they were there. I'd say that's payment enough.
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i think people are missing the point if they think the fab 5 would only be relevant if they won.
i think its very relevant no they didn't win but they changed the culture of basketball fashion long shorts, black socks and black shoes. Very well done by ESPN
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Your point is valid for about 10% of the cast. How would you feel as Ivan Douglas, Bryce Bishop or Brandon Joe blocking for Maurice Clarett? Neither went on to the NFL, but think of how much cash that National Championship team brought in to the school.
It's Ohio State. There's a rebuttable presumption that there were impermissible benefits provided even to those players. Tressel has always been a snake in nice clothing, even at Youngstown State.

Oh...and they didn't bring the National Championship* to the school. Terry Porter did.
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They received a free education and lived off of the university for free while they were there. I'd say that's payment enough.
Sorry but Spike Lee was right in calling the NCAA (and or the schools of the NCAA) a bunch of pimps. In the University of Michigans eyes, Jalen Rose was at their school to make revenue for the school playing basketball. That was his central purpose for being there in their eyes. If Jalen Rose couldnt play basketball, its questionable that most of these guys would have been there. And Michigan is going to have classes whether Jalen Rose is on the basketball team or not. Its not as though Michigan is doing something by letting him in a class that they werent doing anyway. So pretending they're giving him something by letting him attend class doesnt work.

But while I think the athletes should be paid, Im not very sympathetic to Chris Webber.

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Sorry but Spike Lee was right in calling the NCAA (and or the schools of the NCAA) a bunch of pimps. In the University of Michigans eyes, Jalen Rose was at their school to make revenue for the school playing basketball. That was his central purpose for being there in their eyes. If Jalen Rose couldnt play basketball, its questionable that most of these guys would have been there. And Michigan is going to have classes whether Jalen Rose is on the basketball team or not. Its not as though Michigan is doing something by letting him in a class that they werent doing anyway. So pretending they're giving him something by letting him attend class doesnt work.

But while I think the athletes should be paid, Im not very sympathetic to Chris Webber.
Michigan, and the NCAA, put Jalen Rose on a stage that led him to having a multimillion dollar career. If he didn't make it, then he would have had an opportunity to get a degree for free, which would have allowed him to get a good job after college (if a player doesn't take advantage of that then it's on him).

Lets see Jalen pay for the training he got, his room and board, the travel expenses, the TV time. He got all that for free. He had a sweet deal.

Paying athletes just won't work. If you pay one, then you have to pay them all. That means paying the water polo player, and you know Title IX means paying all the female athletes, and paying them all equal. The back up catcher on the softball team makes as much as the starting QB.

That's so not going to work.
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Its not as though Michigan is doing something by letting him in a class that they werent doing anyway. So pretending they're giving him something by letting him attend class doesnt work.
This is pretty ridiculous. Did you go to college for free?
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ok...i realize I'm opening Pandora's Box here....

but did anyone have the feeling that Jalen Rose came off as a racist prick?
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I think racist is the wrong word, especially considering most of the comments you could take out of context from him were about other and specific types of black people. I got the sense that he was mainly just trying to convey the opinions and attitude he had at the time, and I thought his honesty was great for the show. He said some negative things about some people like Grant Hill, but he also tried to explain why he felt those things and made a point of saying that it wasn't personal.
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This is pretty ridiculous. Did you go to college for free?
Thats not really even relevant if I didn't play a sport that generated massive revenue.
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Michigan, and the NCAA, put Jalen Rose on a stage that led him to having a multimillion dollar career. If he didn't make it, then he would have had an opportunity to get a degree for free, which would have allowed him to get a good job after college (if a player doesn't take advantage of that then it's on him).

Lets see Jalen pay for the training he got, his room and board, the travel expenses, the TV time. He got all that for free. He had a sweet deal.

Paying athletes just won't work. If you pay one, then you have to pay them all. That means paying the water polo player, and you know Title IX means paying all the female athletes, and paying them all equal. The back up catcher on the softball team makes as much as the starting QB.

That's so not going to work.
It wouldnt have been for free. He was allowed to sit in classes that Michigan would have had anyway while he was participating in a sport that generated massive revenue for the school. Generating revenue was the condition of being able to be in Michigan's classrooms.

And the whole notion of how much the education is worth is a little silly. Again, they would have held the class anyway and also Michigan charges whatever they want. What that really points to is how overpriced college is.

No, it doesnt mean paying the backup catcher. Once you start paying players, its questionable whether the NCAA and by extension, Title IX would even apply.
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