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Old 03-02-2011, 03:07 PM   #1
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get him, sounds like he'll resign with the Pack though
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My understanding is that he'll be resigning with the Pack - I would love to see him here though!
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we have no pull to lure any players from a real team like the pack. Just forget about him even answering the phone when the agent calls with that offer.
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we have no pull to lure any players from a real team like the pack. Just forget about him even answering the phone when the agent calls with that offer.
i don't believe that one bit.

Champ is a pull, Doom is a pull, Elway is a pull, John Fox is one of the most respected coaches in the league.

Denver is still seen as a class organization.

we didn't suddenly become Cincinatti, Cleveland or Detroit
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i don't believe that one bit.

Champ is a pull, Doom is a pull, Elway is a pull, John Fox is one of the most respected coaches in the league.

Denver is still seen as a class organization.

we didn't suddenly become Cincinatti, Cleveland or Detroit
It's just cuttthemdown shooting sunshine out of his ass as per usual.
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i don't believe that one bit.

Champ is a pull, Doom is a pull, Elway is a pull, John Fox is one of the most respected coaches in the league.

Denver is still seen as a class organization.

we didn't suddenly become Cincinatti, Cleveland or Detroit
A DE isn't a pull. An aging CB isn't a pull. Elway in his first attempt at being a GM is DEFINITELY not going to be a pull. I can't speak for Fox and his perception throughout the league so I'll defer to you on that.

Something like the mentality of Rex Ryan and the Jets is a pull. The potential to win a SB is a pull. Playing with someone who will improve your personal stats is a pull. Elvis is going to help noone but himself through his sacks and considering how terrible we've been at in the DB department, nobody would expect Champ to hold up the QB for any extended period of time to make them look better. There's too many other options for the opposing QBs.
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Haha...Perfect response.

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i don't believe that one bit.

Champ is a pull, Doom is a pull, Elway is a pull, John Fox is one of the most respected coaches in the league.

Denver is still seen as a class organization.

we didn't suddenly become Cincinatti, Cleveland or Detroit
Agreed...McD still got FA's here last year after a tumultuous rookie campaign.

It'$ all about the benji$ anyway....And in Hawk's case, the pu$$y.

Gretzky went to LA for God's sake....Janet had to pursue that acting career afterall.

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A DE isn't a pull. An aging CB isn't a pull. Elway in his first attempt at being a GM is DEFINITELY not going to be a pull. I can't speak for Fox and his perception throughout the league so I'll defer to you on that.

Something like the mentality of Rex Ryan and the Jets is a pull. The potential to win a SB is a pull. Playing with someone who will improve your personal stats is a pull. Elvis is going to help noone but himself through his sacks and considering how terrible we've been at in the DB department, nobody would expect Champ to hold up the QB for any extended period of time to make them look better. There's too many other options for the opposing QBs.
the fact that Champ Bailey re-signed in Denver for millions less than he could have gotten on the open market is a pull that shows Denver is a great place to live and play is a pull and a major selling point for players

the return of an NFL sack leader to a defense is a pull

John Fox a very respected coach in the league and is well known as a players coach is a pull
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the fact that Champ Bailey re-signed in Denver for millions less than he could have gotten on the open market is a pull that shows Denver is a great place to live and play is a pull and a major selling point for players

the return of an NFL sack leader to a defense is a pull

John Fox a very respected coach in the league and is well known as a players coach is a pull
I will say Denver is a pull. With Champ at this point, he could very well be ready to preserve his legacy and trying to end his career with big fanfare to make the HOF. If he goes somewhere high profile and high pressure like a NY or Dallas, he could crash and burn. I don't think he's the same player he once was either, though, so I think he's best staying as a big fish in a small pond.
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A DE isn't a pull. An aging CB isn't a pull. Elway in his first attempt at being a GM is DEFINITELY not going to be a pull. I can't speak for Fox and his perception throughout the league so I'll defer to you on that.

Something like the mentality of Rex Ryan and the Jets is a pull. The potential to win a SB is a pull. Playing with someone who will improve your personal stats is a pull. Elvis is going to help noone but himself through his sacks and considering how terrible we've been at in the DB department, nobody would expect Champ to hold up the QB for any extended period of time to make them look better. There's too many other options for the opposing QBs.
Shhh don't give the maners reason to hate you by telling the truth.

Broncos are not a pull. Players want to win and get paid. The good ones can do that both and not have to choose a team like Denver. To get the really good player we will have to draft them at this point. Then look to FA and expect to over pay.

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She has a stronger jawline than he does. She might be a better QB also.
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Elvis is going to help noone but himself through his sacks...
So his sacks don't help the team? Being accounted for by the offense, particuarly on passing downs, doesn't help his teammates? Really?
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She has a stronger jawline than he does. She might be a better QB also.

Imagine the offspring resulting from a mix of Quinn and Hawk genetics...the kid will have Kirk Douglass' jaw and chin and the forehead of Brainiac.


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I will say Denver is a pull. .


Denver is not a "pull" whatsoever. This is a 4-12 disaster that requires a major project to be good, again. We've got an owner in steep decline, a poisonous rasputin whispering in his ear, a dickless pizza boy that likes to make self serving statements and deflects blame and someone with absolutely no experience at NFL GM'ing somehow being able to break ties. That's not exactly something that would inspire FA's to come here. Three of the four men currently in charge have a great deal of responsibility for this team being an embarassment of biblical proportions. Denver is a beautiful city with decent weather and good people, and John Fox does bring some credibility, but overall, we're hardly an attractive destination. What will bring FA's here is simply money and as between us and high profile, functional playoff teams, with everything else being equal top quality people will go to the latter, because the latter is not a mess and the latter is proven. If we're such a "pull", why did we have three HC candidates decline to be interviewed? That embarasses me. Thank you, Pat.

So no... we don't have any real pull. We've got a couple good players here and there, but so does everyone else.



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Denver is not a "pull" whatsoever. This is a 4-12 disaster that requires a major project to be good, again. We've got an owner in steep decline, a poisonous rasputin whispering in his ear, a dickless pizza boy that likes to make self serving statements and deflects blame and someone with absolutely no experience at NFL GM'ing somehow being able to break ties. That's not exactly something that would inspire FA's to come here. Three of the four men currently in charge have a great deal of responsibility for this team being an embarassment of biblical proportions. Denver is a beautiful city with decent weather and good people, and John Fox does bring some credibility, but overall, we're hardly an attractive destination. What will bring FA's here is simply money and as between us and high profile, functional playoff teams, with everything else being equal top quality people will go to the latter, because the latter is not a mess and the latter is proven. If we're such a "pull", why did we have three HC candidates decline to be interviewed? That embarasses me. Thank you, Pat.

So no... we don't have any real pull. We've got a couple good players here and there, but so does everyone else.



when a guy like Champ Bailey who could have hit the open market and gotten as much as a 15million a year contract from a team closer to a super bowl title decides to stay in Denver because he loves the organization and the city, was impressed by the new HC, that is a huge mark of Denver being a great place to come play

Denver is a pull.
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We've got an owner in steep decline, a poisonous rasputin whispering in his ear, a dickless pizza boy that likes to make self serving statements and deflects blame and someone with absolutely no experience at NFL GM'ing somehow being able to break ties.

I'm sorry. This word cannot be used without Mc in front of it. Its precedent.


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Denver is not a "pull" whatsoever. This is a 4-12 disaster that requires a major project to be good, again. We've got an owner in steep decline, a poisonous rasputin whispering in his ear, a dickless pizza boy that likes to make self serving statements and deflects blame and someone with absolutely no experience at NFL GM'ing somehow being able to break ties. That's not exactly something that would inspire FA's to come here. Three of the four men currently in charge have a great deal of responsibility for this team being an embarassment of biblical proportions. Denver is a beautiful city with decent weather and good people, and John Fox does bring some credibility, but overall, we're hardly an attractive destination. What will bring FA's here is simply money and as between us and high profile, functional playoff teams, with everything else being equal top quality people will go to the latter, because the latter is not a mess and the latter is proven. If we're such a "pull", why did we have three HC candidates decline to be interviewed? That embarasses me. Thank you, Pat.

So no... we don't have any real pull. We've got a couple good players here and there, but so does everyone else.
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A DE isn't a pull. An aging CB isn't a pull. Elway in his first attempt at being a GM is DEFINITELY not going to be a pull. I can't speak for Fox and his perception throughout the league so I'll defer to you on that.

Something like the mentality of Rex Ryan and the Jets is a pull. The potential to win a SB is a pull. Playing with someone who will improve your personal stats is a pull. Elvis is going to help noone but himself through his sacks and considering how terrible we've been at in the DB department, nobody would expect Champ to hold up the QB for any extended period of time to make them look better. There's too many other options for the opposing QBs.
I was just conceding that the city of Denver is a pull. The rest of the situation is repulsing.
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So his sacks don't help the team? Being accounted for by the offense, particuarly on passing downs, doesn't help his teammates? Really?
His sacks help the team but NFL people want to succeed personally. Getting a ring is part of that. That's why players are willing to abandon their own teams often times in pursuit of a ring on someone else's team. It's a league of personal acheivements.

When Jared Allen went to Minnesota, he had the Williams wall to line up next to. They helped Allen. Is some DT out there thinking "Man!, if only I could play next to Elvis!... I'd have 2 1/2 sacks next year!"... No, they aren't. A DEs play doesn't impact others in the same way. In particular, a single DE. MAYBE you could argue that a CB would like playing for a team like Balt or the Jets because of their QB pressures but there's not enough pressure in Denver, especially from one person, to make the situation overly attractive.
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Denver is not a "pull" whatsoever. This is a 4-12 disaster that requires a major project to be good, again. We've got an owner in steep decline, a poisonous rasputin whispering in his ear, a dickless pizza boy that likes to make self serving statements and deflects blame and someone with absolutely no experience at NFL GM'ing somehow being able to break ties. That's not exactly something that would inspire FA's to come here. Three of the four men currently in charge have a great deal of responsibility for this team being an embarassment of biblical proportions. Denver is a beautiful city with decent weather and good people, and John Fox does bring some credibility, but overall, we're hardly an attractive destination. What will bring FA's here is simply money and as between us and high profile, functional playoff teams, with everything else being equal top quality people will go to the latter, because the latter is not a mess and the latter is proven. If we're such a "pull", why did we have three HC candidates decline to be interviewed? That embarasses me. Thank you, Pat.

So no... we don't have any real pull. We've got a couple good players here and there, but so does everyone else.




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