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Old 03-01-2011, 04:06 PM   #1
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Professors are aghast.

"Anne Mariucci, the chairwoman of the Arizona Board of Regents, the governing board for the state’s universities, said she would prefer that universities be places where disagreements are resolved by debating, not squeezing the trigger.

Yes, the world is a dangerous place these days, but I don’t think you fight fire with fire,” she said. “I don’t think that bringing guns on campuses is the image of the peaceful, civil discourse that universities are supposed to be about.”
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Old 03-01-2011, 04:08 PM   #2
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They're probably aghast because they're smart enough to realize what a dumb idea this would be.
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Yay Arizona! Let's strap 'em on! Lock and load!
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What the **** happened to that state?
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she said. “I don’t think that bringing guns on campuses is the image of the peaceful, civil discourse that universities are supposed to be about.

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If you don't fight fire with fire what do you fight with? I'll just wait for the police to arrive?

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Old 03-01-2011, 04:44 PM   #7
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If you don't fight fire with fire what do fight with? I'll just wait for the police to arrive?
Last time i checked, gun attacks on campus were hardly a daily occurance. If this law is somehow an answer to the few crazies out there, its the overreaction of the century and, i assure you, will only cause more harm than good.
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If you don't fight fire with fire what do fight with? I'll just wait for the police to arrive?

If this is how the people of Arizona are responding to the shooting in Tucson and cartel driven violence across the border, more power to them.

I was questioning the assertion that universities are bastions of civil discourse.

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I'm sure the bursars are licking their chops thinking of a dollar amount they can heap on students for this.

For real, WTF is going on in Warizona?
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Old 03-01-2011, 05:17 PM   #10
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I'm sure the bursars are licking their chops thinking of a dollar amount they can heap on students for this.

For real, WTF is going on in Warizona?
Is it really that hard to figure out?
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Old 03-01-2011, 05:30 PM   #11
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The dumbest **** I've heard in ages and anyone trying to rationalize it is a fool from the dark ages.

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Anthony Daykin, the police chief at the University of Arizona in Tucson, where the shootings occurred, said his officers would be at a loss if they arrived at a shooting scene in a lecture hall holding hundreds of students and found scores of people pointing, and possibly shooting, weapons at one another.
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I know a dude from Arizona. He talks all the time about guns and how he can conceal carry. He also thinks it's right to kill abortion doctors. The **** is in the water down there?

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Old 03-01-2011, 05:44 PM   #12
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I know a dude from Arizona. He talks all the time about guns and how he can conceal carry. He also thinks it's right to kill abortion doctors. The **** is in the water down there?
I know a chick from AZ. She thinks this is the craziest thing in the world. She also thinks jamming a hole in a baby's head and sucking out it's brains is o.k.
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I know a chick from AZ. She thinks this is the craziest thing in the world. She also thinks jamming a hole in a baby's head and sucking out it's brains is o.k.
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I know a chick from AZ too...

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I wish some of the teachers at Columbine had been allowed to protect themselves and their students by carrying a concealed weapon.
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Old 03-01-2011, 05:57 PM   #16
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Funny thing about living in Colorado...I could care less what Arizona does in its legislature. If the people are pushing for it, like I said, good for them. Now if Colorado decides to arm their teachers and college students, then I might have a dog in the fight.

Even then I dont think I'd care. If someone is going to shoot me, they are going to shoot me. Not alot I can do about that except shoot them first...

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Old 03-01-2011, 06:06 PM   #18
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I don't totally disagree with this. You see, those that do carry concealed firearms have to go under huge amounts of background checks and stuff. If you just allowed a teacher, what would stop him from killing an entire class?

To make it right, you have to let multiple people carry guns, by doing so, if someone is stupid enough to pull one out and try to kill someone else, 10 others pull their guns and kill him on sight, saving many lives.

Besides, in a class of 200, even in arizona, you might have 5-10 carry guns. Sure, it could backfire under extremely low chance circumstances, but the way it is now, people that kill other people don't obey the law, and therefore kill until the bullets are out, or until someone sacrifices their life or the police arrive.

This is not as dumb as it sounds.
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I don't totally disagree with this. You see, those that do carry concealed firearms have to go under huge amounts of background checks and stuff. If you just allowed a teacher, what would stop him from killing an entire class?

To make it right, you have to let multiple people carry guns, by doing so, if someone is stupid enough to pull one out and try to kill someone else, 10 others pull their guns and kill him on sight, saving many lives.

Besides, in a class of 200, even in arizona, you might have 5-10 carry guns. Sure, it could backfire under extremely low chance circumstances, but the way it is now, people that kill other people don't obey the law, and therefore kill until the bullets are out, or until someone sacrifices their life or the police arrive.

This is not as dumb as it sounds.

It is not as dumb as it sounds. However, very few people are aware that states have the ability to pass laws that their own populace is pushing for. Somehow Arizona considering this will effect people in NY and Massachusetts.

Crazy country.

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I don't totally disagree with this. You see, those that do carry concealed firearms have to go under huge amounts of background checks and stuff. If you just allowed a teacher, what would stop him from killing an entire class?

To make it right, you have to let multiple people carry guns, by doing so, if someone is stupid enough to pull one out and try to kill someone else, 10 others pull their guns and kill him on sight, saving many lives.

Besides, in a class of 200, even in arizona, you might have 5-10 carry guns. Sure, it could backfire under extremely low chance circumstances, but the way it is now, people that kill other people don't obey the law, and therefore kill until the bullets are out, or until someone sacrifices their life or the police arrive.

This is not as dumb as it sounds.
That only works if the first guy doesn't pull out a big gun, if you are on the business end of an assault rifle you are not going to have time to pull out your .38 or your 9mm, you are just going to get dead really fast. In a lecture hall of about 200 people, I would estimate you could get off somewhere between 3 and 4 clips of ammo before anyone has their gun out and has it pointing in your general direction.

There is a reason why there are so many murders in America and I don't think it is because Americans are that much more homicidal.
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That only works if the first guy doesn't pull out a big gun, if you are on the business end of an assault rifle you are not going to have time to pull out your .38 or your 9mm, you are just going to get dead really fast. In a lecture hall of about 200 people, I would estimate you could get off somewhere between 3 and 4 clips of ammo before anyone has their gun out and has it pointing in your general direction.

There is a reason why there are so many murders in America and I don't think it is because Americans are that much more homicidal.
How many school shootings are there where the gunman used an assault rifle?

What the **** are you smoking? You're saying a gunman could squeeze off an entire clip, reload the clip, squeeze off that entire clip, reload another clip, squeeze that entire clip off, and potentially repeat another time before I could reach to my chest and pull a handgun out? You're not thinking clearly.

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This is ridiculous. People that open fire inside a lecture hall do not plan on walking out alive. The only thing that would ever happen if six other dudes were packing heat is four of them would run and/or hide, the fifth would attempt to shoot the real shooter and fail, and the last would shoot the fifth in a moment of panic and confusion. And that's more or less a best case scenario.
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This is ridiculous. People that open fire inside a lecture hall do not plan on walking out alive. The only thing that would ever happen if six other dudes were packing heat is four of them would run and/or hide, the fifth would attempt to shoot the real shooter and fail, and the last would shoot the fifth in a moment of panic and confusion. And that's more or less a best case scenario.
When I was at ASU I knew plenty of former and current military personnel getting their degree. You're saying that in a class of 100 people, one of these trained individuals couldn't calmly pull out his weapon and pop the guy in the chest?
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That's exactly what I'm saying.

and even if he could, there's no guarantee four other people don't give it a shot and hit the girl in row 4 in the chest. or crazy panicing people that have had a really ****ty day start getting into an argument over what to do. or the swat team bursts in and has to contend with 6 people holding guns.

but it's not even about that. it's about what happens when 4000 twenty year old drunk people are running around with concealed weaponry on the 99.99% of days in which no one has planned to open fire in a lecture hall.
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So if a student starts talking in class the prof. can pull out a magnum and say, 'are you feeling lucky today punk'.
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