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Old 02-27-2011, 08:05 PM   #1
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1. Newton is the real deal: Newton doesn't use much of his legs when he throws the football, but his arm is so naturally strong he can throw 50 to 60 yards with ease. There are no throws he can't make. He reminds me a lot of a young Steve McNair. Newton is 6-foot-5, 248 pounds and ran an official time of 4.59 seconds in his 40-yard dash Sunday. The team that drafts him can probably expect a completion percentage of 54 in his first year and plenty of big plays. He doesn't do well throwing to his left, but a lot of young quarterbacks have that problem in their first couple of pro years. Ben Roethlisberger, who compares to Newton a lot, had that problem in his first couple of years. Newton was 1-for-3 on short out passes and missed all three of his passes on deep throws down the left sideline. He also missed three short out passes to his right. But Newton can rifle accurate turn-in passes and his post-corner routes are exceptional.

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All of this sounds like Tebow. Except reverse some of it because he throws left-handed. But somehow Tebow "cant play", and this dude is "the real deal"?

The world of NFL pundits is a strange one...where personal biases overcome honesty.

You have to give McD some credit for being able to cut through the crap and see Tebow for what he really was.
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We need to see more of Tebow. As of now, he isn't there.
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Old 02-27-2011, 08:12 PM   #4
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Old 02-27-2011, 08:12 PM   #5
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We need to see more of Tebow. As of now, he isn't there.
We have seen Tebow in the NFL. He looked pretty dang good.

Newton hasnt played a down.
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We have seen Tebow in the NFL. He looked pretty dang good.
I want to see more Tebow. Lets not get carried away after 3 games.
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Old 02-27-2011, 08:18 PM   #7
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I want to see more Tebow. Lets not get carried away after 3 games.
Everybody wants to see more of Tebow.

Because the dude exceeded everyones expectations and looked like an NFL QB, even when people said that he wouldnt.
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Everybody wants to see more of Tebow.

Because the dude exceeded everyones expectations and looked like an NFL QB, even when people said that he wouldnt.
far from. BTW I said tebow was a bad pick when he got drafted & nothing has happened to prove me wrong.
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1. Newton is the real deal: Newton doesn't use much of his legs when he throws the football, but his arm is so naturally strong he can throw 50 to 60 yards with ease. There are no throws he can't make. He reminds me a lot of a young Steve McNair. Newton is 6-foot-5, 248 pounds and ran an official time of 4.59 seconds in his 40-yard dash Sunday. The team that drafts him can probably expect a completion percentage of 54 in his first year and plenty of big plays. He doesn't do well throwing to his left, but a lot of young quarterbacks have that problem in their first couple of pro years. Ben Roethlisberger, who compares to Newton a lot, had that problem in his first couple of years. Newton was 1-for-3 on short out passes and missed all three of his passes on deep throws down the left sideline. He also missed three short out passes to his right. But Newton can rifle accurate turn-in passes and his post-corner routes are exceptional.

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All of this sounds like Tebow. Except reverse some of it because he throws left-handed. But somehow Tebow "cant play", and this dude is "the real deal"?

The world of NFL pundits is a strange one...where personal biases overcome honesty.

You have to give McD some credit for being able to cut through the crap and see Tebow for what he really was.
Come on, a John Clayton report gets you riled up? There are tribes in the deep amazon rain forest as of yet untouched by modern civilization that know more about football than he does.

How exactly does he compare to Roethlisberger? Roethlisberger was a 3 year starter who threw for more than 3000 yards all 3 years (something Newton has yet to do), and never rushed for more than 200 yards in a season. The two are about as like as two completely dissimilar things in a pod.

A completion % of 54? that would rank in the bottom 3 in the league 2 of the last 3 years and bottom 5 the last year. Ben Roethlisberger in his first season completed 66%, Flacco completed 60%, Ryan completed 61%. The only QBs I could find who were drafted relatively recently and who completed 54$% or less in their first seasons are Jamarcus Russell and Eli Manning.
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far from. BTW I said tebow was a bad pick when he got drafted & nothing has happened to prove me wrong.
I would guess that about 70% of people believed Tebow couldn't play in the NFL.

And just a Q, what did you expect out of Tebow to think it was a good pick
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Cam Newton has a much better throwing motion than Tebow did. Very natural, a lot more compact.

Honestly, the QB's at the combine blowing up or doing well is what we want. We need to drive the value up on that #2 selection. We are in a prime spot to trade back within the top 10 with Buffalo sitting at #3 needing a QB, and Carolina probably too cheap to invest in one.
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Come on, a John Clayton report gets you riled up? There are tribes in the deep amazon rain forest as of yet untouched by modern civilization that know more about football than he does..
True...though the alien race that spawned John Clayton does have access to superior knowledge.
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Old 02-27-2011, 09:02 PM   #13
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We have seen Tebow in the NFL. He looked pretty dang good.

Newton hasnt played a down.
Tebow looked like he has potential. I disagree with "pretty dang good". We need to see him more before we classify him as good/bad. Let's see what he can do in the pocket. Any team with an average defense can shut down the rollouts. If Tebow can't pass through the pocket, he is in for a short career. I'm rooting for the kid.
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[QUOTE=epicSocialism4tw;3125926]1. Newton is the real deal: Newton doesn't use much of his legs when he throws the football, but his arm is so naturally strong he can throw 50 to 60 yards with ease. There are no throws he can't make. He reminds me a lot of a young Steve McNair. Newton is 6-foot-5, 248 pounds and ran an official time of 4.59 seconds in his 40-yard dash Sunday. The team that drafts him can probably expect a completion percentage of 54 in his first year and plenty of big plays. He doesn't do well throwing to his left, but a lot of young quarterbacks have that problem in their first couple of pro years. Ben Roethlisberger, who compares to Newton a lot, had that problem in his first couple of years. Newton was 1-for-3 on short out passes and missed all three of his passes on deep throws down the left sideline. He also missed three short out passes to his right. But Newton can rifle accurate turn-in passes and his post-corner routes are exceptional.

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The first guy that popped into my head was Kyle Boller
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Old 02-27-2011, 09:18 PM   #15
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We need to see more of Tebow. As of now, he isn't there.
You're doing this all wrong. The lesser known of the two is Newton as Tebow has actually played in the NFL. Perhaps I'm not understanding you correctly when you say, "As of now, he isn't there." Isn't where? At Newton's level?
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Cam Newton is Vince Young #2. He's an athlete and he'll be around for years with good and bad passing days. I don't think he is worthy of an early first round pick with all the other qbs available though.
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Who knows if Tebow will get it done. I think we will know after next yr though. Either way keep building the defense, the oline, add weapons who can score and develop Tebow. If it doesn't work with him we will start a new project. Orton a serviceable vet IMO. He could win 10 games no problem with a decent defense that gives up 20 points a game or less and forces a couple turnovers a game.
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1. Newton is the real deal: Newton doesn't use much of his legs when he throws the football, but his arm is so naturally strong he can throw 50 to 60 yards with ease. There are no throws he can't make. He reminds me a lot of a young Steve McNair. Newton is 6-foot-5, 248 pounds and ran an official time of 4.59 seconds in his 40-yard dash Sunday. The team that drafts him can probably expect a completion percentage of 54 in his first year and plenty of big plays. He doesn't do well throwing to his left, but a lot of young quarterbacks have that problem in their first couple of pro years. Ben Roethlisberger, who compares to Newton a lot, had that problem in his first couple of years. Newton was 1-for-3 on short out passes and missed all three of his passes on deep throws down the left sideline. He also missed three short out passes to his right. But Newton can rifle accurate turn-in passes and his post-corner routes are exceptional.

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The first guy that popped into my head was Kyle Boller
Or Jamarcus Russel, haha.
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Cam Newton has a much better throwing motion than Tebow did. Very natural, a lot more compact.

Honestly, the QB's at the combine blowing up or doing well is what we want. We need to drive the value up on that #2 selection. We are in a prime spot to trade back within the top 10 with Buffalo sitting at #3 needing a QB, and Carolina probably too cheap to invest in one.
Hell just froze over. Agree with BPC on something.

I love Tebow, but his mechanics aren't as good as any of these 1st round QB's this year, imo. Doesn't mean he won't succeed... but Newton looks like a better pure passer at this point in his career.

(Though, he looked awful throwing the out routes. Anyone see that?)
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Still don't understand why everyone talks about mechanics.

Coaches say mechanics is an overused word that ESPN analysts throw out there. Phillip Rivers has arguably the "worst" mechanics in the NFL and look at him. Every single quarterback in the league has different mechanics.
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So...Black quarterbacks are compared to Steve McNair and white receivers are compared to Ed McCaffrey? I just wanted to be sure...
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far from. BTW I said tebow was a bad pick when he got drafted & nothing has happened to prove me wrong.
You don't know talent then.

People are looking at this Tebow thing the completely wrong way. Tebow was a more successful passer than Cam with crazy mechanics.

Tebow overcame horrible mechanics and was a much better passer.

If you look at it accurately like this you realize that it's not a question of IF Tebow becomes a great QB but when. And with his work ethic and great ability it's not likely to take long.

NFL scouts are looking at it the completely wrong way. They make the faulty assumption that Tebow tried to change and be NFL ready and failed. But Urban Meyer was smart. He didn't mess with Tebow much knowing NFL peole would want to mold him their own way. And since Tebow was dominant the way he was. no reason to mess with it.

But NFL people never encounter players like Tebow. They don't run into guys wih this much talent in reserve. It's completely foreign to them.

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far from. BTW I said tebow was a bad pick when he got drafted & nothing has happened to prove me wrong.
I dont understand how anyone could have watched that Texans game and not come away impressed. If Bradford went 16/29 for 309 yards, 50 yards rushing while taking his team back from down seventeen in his SECOND start, pundits would be lining up to jerk him off. Yet, with Timmy, apparently it was just some cute novelty.
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Sports media and punditry are largely a joke but unfortunately they're inextricably a part of the sport since this is first and foremost entertainment. I don't put much stock in what anyone not named Mayock says.
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this is the interesting time for Newton it is all about the combine and people start to forget about the behind the scenes issues that have followed him for 3 years. But at some point before the draft they will start to come up again. Someone needs to do a chart of where he was on draft boards one month ago where he is now and where he is right before
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