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Old 02-22-2011, 09:54 PM   #26
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Negative plays in the run game...thats a DT.
I hope its Dareus, not Fairley
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Old 02-22-2011, 10:09 PM   #27
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Based on the draft value chart, we could trade down to #3 and pick up a 3rd and 4th rounder, or trade down to #4 and pick up a 2nd and 3rd while still getting a guy we're targetting.
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Old 02-22-2011, 10:19 PM   #28
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Based on the draft value chart, we could trade down to #3 and pick up a 3rd and 4th rounder, or trade down to #4 and pick up a 2nd and 3rd while still getting a guy we're targetting.
The Draft Value Chart is full of ****.

I would advise you to never use that as a reference again.
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How do you know our front office thinks Patrick Peterson is a better player than Nick Fairley, Da'Quan Bowers, Marcell Dareus or whoever else? Despite what some people say around here, it's not an immutable fact written on a stone tablet somewhere that Patrick Peterson is hands down, unquestionably the best player in the draft.
Peterson and Dareus are my top 2 choices in round 1. IMO Peterson is BPA overall. Dareus is my fav DL.

Your right any player can be hyped as BPA and end up being a flop its the risk all teams take.

No matter what side I take or others take we need to hit jackpot with our top pick.



I would be cool with Bowers or Fairley because it fills a major hole on our D which we need badly. I'll be thrilled that we filled a huge need on draft night but, far more scared that we failed to pick the best DL in 2011 draft vs drafting Peterson who is way more likely to be one of the gems in this draft.

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Old 02-22-2011, 10:39 PM   #30
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Good news just keeps coming out of the front office today (although anything regarding the draft can be bull....). Just maybe they do get it.
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Old 02-22-2011, 10:39 PM   #31
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Even Xanders isn't stupid enough to be giving real info away.
Well just to be on the same side hopefully the Elway/Fox braintrust will keep any legitimate information away from him so he can't spill the beans.

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Old 02-22-2011, 10:44 PM   #32
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Well just to be on the same side hopefully the Elway/Fox braintrust will keep any legitimate information away from him so he can't spill the beans.
I'd be honestly surprised if they shared (or intend to share) any legitimate high value information with Xanders....ever.
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I'm very worried about Von Miller. I don't see how he fits here at his weight unless he gains like 15 pounds and plays WDE...except that Doom is already being paid tens of millions to be the WDE. There's only one other place he can go and I'm not liking it.
Von Miller produced quite a bit in college and dominated in the senior bowl (where they said he looked comfortable playing LB). I think the guy is gonna be a big weapon and id fully support them taking him at 2. I think hes a sure thing.
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I'm very worried about Von Miller. I don't see how he fits here at his weight unless he gains like 15 pounds and plays WDE...except that Doom is already being paid tens of millions to be the WDE. There's only one other place he can go and I'm not liking it.
Yep weakside linebacker and your boy deejay is gonzo.
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Old 02-22-2011, 10:49 PM   #35
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Well just to be on the same side hopefully the Elway/Fox braintrust will keep any legitimate information away from him so he can't spill the beans.
I don't have much respect for Xanders and would tend to agree. However, there isn't really much reason to keep anything a secret picking #2. Carolina isn't going to pick someone just because Denver wants him and I don't believe anyone is going to trade up to #1 to get one of the DT's.
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Von Miller produced quite a bit in college and dominated in the senior bowl (where they said he looked comfortable playing LB). I think the guy is gonna be a big weapon and id fully support them taking him at 2. I think hes a sure thing.
But he only fits at Will and we can plug DJ in there where he's better than he is on the strong side. I think I'd rather have Akeem Ayers. He's 20 pounds bigger and probably just as fast. I'm tired of seeing our smallish defenders get engulfed.
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But he only fits at Will and we can plug DJ in there where he's better than he is on the strong side. I think I'd rather have Akeem Ayers. He's 20 pounds bigger and probably just as fast. I'm tired of seeing our smallish defenders get engulfed.
If we play that 46 style D (like the Saints do), it won't matter. They'll fit him in fine. The guys a flat out player. He's gonna have success on the next level.
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Peterson is the most NFL-ready of the players we mat have targeted with our second pick.
He's more apt to make an immediate impact as a starter in his first year...
However, we're in no-lose situation.
Whoever we get will fit the bill...
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However, we're in no-lose situation.
Whoever we get will fit the bill...
furiously knocking on wood.
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:16 AM   #40
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If we pick at 2, its either Fairley or Quinn imo.



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Old 02-23-2011, 12:34 AM   #41
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Be cool with DL if happens but, kind of disappointed we are staying with NEED drafting vs BPA drafting.
This is a pretty ridiculous comment.
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Old 02-23-2011, 02:21 AM   #42
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I don't have much respect for Xanders and would tend to agree. However, there isn't really much reason to keep anything a secret picking #2. Carolina isn't going to pick someone just because Denver wants him and I don't believe anyone is going to trade up to #1 to get one of the DT's.
Perhaps not, but someone might be looking to trade up to get Cam Newton, who is apparently rising very quickly. Either Carolilna or Denver could have the option of trading down, and if we do I don't think it's to our advantage to make our intentions known if we are drafting somewhere like 6th or so. Trading down a few spots is much more attractive if we still get the guy we want. Besides...what if a possible trading partner were to offer a 2nd opportunity to move down. It behooves us to keep our true intentions to ourselves...unless of course John Elway thinks the draft should be subject to his new transparency measures.
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Old 02-23-2011, 04:29 AM   #43
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DJ will never play Sam and any coach that puts him at Sam is a moron who can't maximize talent. There is a bigger chance of DJ playing Safety than Sam.
at least the velcro DJ could get off the blocks of WR at SS....unlike that linemen he loves to stick to....
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There's another way to tell if this is legit. Look at who the Broncos bring in for workouts this year. The last two years every player we drafted was brought in.

Also this hand wringing over our lack of posturing is redicules. We have the second pick. Even if someone trades up and "steals" who we want away, that means we'll just take one of the other top five guys up there. And there are a lot of good players in the draft every year. People need to calm down.
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Old 02-23-2011, 05:47 AM   #45
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Von Miller produced quite a bit in college and dominated in the senior bowl (where they said he looked comfortable playing LB). I think the guy is gonna be a big weapon and id fully support them taking him at 2. I think hes a sure thing.
I'm coming around more and more to the idea of Miller for us in the first. I also agree he is less of a risk than some of the other highly-rated prospects and we just can't afford to miss on this pick. Taking into account character, production, and likely impact, he may well be the BPA.
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The writing for Peterson not being DEN's pick came as soon as DEN announced they were going to be tied to Fox as a HC. Fox is a heavy Zone guy wherever he has been with either front. He has never been a predominantly press man coverage scheme in the NFL. Whether it was PIT, Oak, NYG, or CAR he ran a heavy zone coverage scheme. Mostly a cover 2/3 roll depending on strength of the formation. He plays a very aggressive front with base zone coverage most of the time.

How the hell do you draft a CB that high to play zone coverage? It only makes sense if he can truly be allowed to play press man most of the time or he loses a tremendous amount of value schematically. Scheme's are always set up front to back with Run responsibilities the first step, then coverage. The coverage sets up the run fits and in heavy zone the CB's are routinely asked to come up and play the run, not press at the LOS. So, you are already asking Peterson to play away from his 2 greatest strengths in coverage. You are asking him to play off and not press, and you are asking him to be patient in zone coverage and not be aggressive in man.

Champ has never been a press CB. He is best in off coverage and has the best hip/flip movement In the NFL. He is so smooth transitioning zones and reading routes that he can literally cover 2 zones with his experience and anticipation of route combinations. Peterson is OK in zone, but it is not his strength. In fact, he loses interest playing zone and that is where he took off plays in college. Signing Champ makes sense becasue he is a prototypical Zone CB who can also play an effective off man coverage as a change up. Drafting Peterson makes less sense since he is a press Bail/man CB who likes to be physical with WR's.

Finally, there are more and more analysts who are not grading Peterson as the top player in the draft. Nolan Nawrocki has Peterson behind Bowers and Green, and just Slightly ahead of Miller, Dareus, and Fairley. He does have flaws just like all players do. He is not a concensus BPA, especially for a ZONE heavy defensive team. He can be beaten and he struggled mightily in his bowl game against a Pro Offense from Mike Sherman that took him out of his game. Is he the best CB prospect to come out since Charles Woodson, probably. I can not recall another guy being so skilled. However, to me it is all about the mental side for him. He was so dominant in college Physically, he was able to get away with freelancing. I really wonder how he handles getting beat at the pro level. Does he have the mentality to let it go or is he going to let it affect him. No one questions the talent, its the application of the talent in a diverse scheme that worries me.
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Med it sounds like jimmy Smith would be a good choice later in the draft if we're gonna run a predominate zone, what do you think?
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Med it sounds like jimmy Smith would be a good choice later in the draft if we're gonna run a predominate zone, what do you think?
Maybe. People have him all over the place and most think he is a press CB in the pros. There are better zone CB options out there, plus he is not the best run stopper either. In fact, he is not a good tackler at all.
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The writing for Peterson not being DEN's pick came as soon as DEN announced they were going to be tied to Fox as a HC. Fox is a heavy Zone guy wherever he has been with either front. He has never been a predominantly press man coverage scheme in the NFL. .......
Ah, the voice of reason.....
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Peterson is a good person who disrupts gameplans and can cause negative rushing plays and sacks through blitzing opportunities.

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