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Old 02-21-2011, 03:48 PM   #1
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The Denver Broncos own the second overall pick in the draft and have many holes to fill. Picking defensive talent has never been a strongpoint of the organization, and there will be a huge push to fix a unit that ranked at the bottom of the league statistically. However, the toughest question Denver must answer is its long-term solution at quarterback.

Tim Tebow, a first-round pick last year, was not selected by new coach John Fox. Most members of the Broncos who were there when the Tebow pick was made are looking to distance themselves from the choice, which is a classic way for things to operate in the NFL.

Last year, no one associated with the Broncos complained about the Tebow pick, thinking they were being loyal to the head coach, when in reality, not voicing an opinion or pretending you like a player is the highest form of disloyalty and disservice.

So Tebow is a man without much support in Denver, making quarterback a huge need. Can the Broncos be so focused on defense that they ignore an NFL team's most essential position? Or will they feel like Kyle Orton can manage the game well enough to allow them to replenish the defense, something near and dear to Fox's heart?

After ranking 32nd in overall defense, 31st against the run and 25th vs. the pass, Denver is switching back to a 4-3 scheme. In reality, the Broncos played that package in almost half of their games. Their best pass rusher, Elvis Dumervil, missed all of last season with a torn pectoral muscle. He will move from linebacker to end, but the Broncos will still be looking to enhance their defensive front.

The Broncos need to decide where outside linebacker Robert Ayers fits in the new scheme, as he was their best front-seven player when healthy (he missed five games in 2010). Ayers is not perfect, but he does play with power, something few Broncos can do.

With Fox being the most experienced football man in the building, I would expect the Broncos to strengthen his area of expertise with most of their draft picks and leave the quarterback question alone.
As time goes on, I'm starting to believe that Elway doesn't want KO or Tebow as the starting QB in the long term.

However due to the fact that we took a QB in the first round last year and that we have so many holes on the defensive side of the ball, they can't afford to draft a QB with a high pick this year. Not to mention IMO there are no QB's in the draft worth being selected with a top 3 pick.

They will start Orton or Tebow this year, but next year if we have a season similar to the past one (real possibility), I wouldn't be shocked if we took a QB with our 1st. (Luck or Barkley)

Elway would then have his own "guy" under center.
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Old 02-21-2011, 04:08 PM   #2
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No reason to deal Orton unless you're blown away by the offer. Competition in the offseason and camps (if there are any) will be good for both. Let the best man win. Question is - will the other sulk if beaten out, fair and square?
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No reason to deal Orton unless you're blown away by the offer. Competition in the offseason and camps (if there are any) will be good for both. Let the best man win. Question is - will the other sulk if beaten out, fair and square?
There's logic there, but with where the team is at right now I think it makes much more sense to accept that only one of them will be playing QB for the Broncos in the future and the odds of that one being Orton are very slim. It seems dumb to me to want to hold out for an amazing offer and get nothing instead. It also doesn't hurt that his value in trade for Denver will probably never be higher. I'm not saying they should just give him away, but they should absolutely get something for him while they can.
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gotta keep in mind that Lombardi is friends with McDaniels,so obviously he was upset with the organization when his friend got fired.
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Old 02-21-2011, 04:17 PM   #6
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Err...so despite the fact that Fox and Tebow have an established relationship and that Elway has repeatedly backed Tebow (even saying that a coach that wasn't willing to work with him wasn't going to be the right coach for the Broncos), Michael Lombardi says he doesn't have support and you believe him? Okay...

Seriously this really exposes what a little douche Lombardi is, and nothing more.
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if this article is true and if Elway honestly believes that this Broncos team, as currently constituted, would win more games with Orton under center than Tebow, then i'd question Elway's ability to do the job he now has.

i saw Orton play and i saw Tebow play and there was a night and day difference between the two. Orton is a serviceable game manager for the right team. this is not that team. Tebow is young and still has much to prove, but the guy has intangibles that Orton can't even begin to compete with.

send Orton to Minnesota. he might be a good fit for them. get some quality defensive players in return. give Tebow a chance in 2011 (if there is no lockout) and then decide if he's got a future in Denver... but if Elway has already made up his mind that he's not, then i think Elway will turn out to be as bad a Bowlen hire as McD was.
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There's logic there, but with where the team is at right now I think it makes much more sense to accept that only one of them will be playing QB for the Broncos in the future and the odds of that one being Orton are very slim. It seems dumb to me to want to hold out for an amazing offer and get nothing instead. It also doesn't hurt that his value in trade for Denver will probably never be higher. I'm not saying they should just give him away, but they should absolutely get something for him while they can.
I disagree. The broncos first priority is to win games next year. Keeping both QB's make this a better team.
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I disagree. The broncos first priority is to win games next year. Keeping both QB's make this a better team.
keeping both if Orton is the backup will lead to a toxic locker oom. we've had several hints already that Orton is not happy being a backup and doesn't particularly like or respect Tebow. that's a recipe for locker room trouble... Terrell Owens/Randy Moss type locker room trouble.
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I disagree. The broncos first priority is to win games next year. Keeping both QB's make this a better team.
I want them to win games as much as anybody, but unless you really believe that Orton is the future of the franchise or that he'll have a great year again next year and then be tagged and traded, I think you should do it now.
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I disagree. The broncos first priority is to win games next year. Keeping both QB's make this a better team.
Not if it potentially costs the team an adequate starter.
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I disagree. The broncos first priority is to win games next year. Keeping both QB's make this a better team.
The Broncos first priority is to get back to being a 10+ win per season franchise. If getting a quality pick out of Orton is a possibility, and the team doesn't view him as a long term Bronco, then its for the best to move him along.
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Orton has said he is a starter and would be coming back in that role if at all. He basically intimates he'd be a sulker with a bad attitude riding pine. I think keeping him again creates drama that this team doesn't need. IMO we'd be better of trading him....
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I must have watched a different Quarterback play last year. Orton was lights out up until his injury. I like Tebow alot, but lets not tear Orton down to build Tebow up.
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I must have watched a different Quarterback play last year. Orton was lights out up until his injury. I like Tebow alot, but lets not tear Orton down to build Tebow up.
Yes you clearly were watching a different quarterback...
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Old 02-21-2011, 05:45 PM   #16
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Orton was lights out on 1st and 2nd down. I'll give you that. Orton was deer in the headlights on 3rd down.
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I must have watched a different Quarterback play last year. Orton was lights out up until his injury. I like Tebow alot, but lets not tear Orton down to build Tebow up.
Agreed, I thought he played great and many of the things used against him I feel were at least partly due to the failings of the rest of the offense. That said, discussing the merits of trading him isn't tearing him down at all. Regardless of how good he played, he is most likely not the future and the team would be better served going forward to get something for him while they can.
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Can a QB be truly "lights out" when he leads the team to a 3-10 record?


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No, and Orton sucks.
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Orton was lights out on 1st and 2nd down. I'll give you that. Orton was deer in the headlights on 3rd down.
He was a deer in the headlights in the red zone as well.

The difference between he and Tebow in the red zone was large enough that the Broncos staff shouldnt think of bringing Orton back as the starter at all.
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Lombardi hasn't had anything good to say about Tebow since he came out of FLorida.

He like many others will be drinking the Kool aid before its all said and done.

Really...what the hell does he know anyway. How about naming a source idiot!
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I must have watched a different Quarterback play last year. Orton was lights out up until his injury. I like Tebow alot, but lets not tear Orton down to build Tebow up.
Tebow produced more yards, points and a higher win % than Orton without the "luxury" of a headcoach...

Lights out, indeed.
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The Broncos only played 4-3 in a couple of games and even then it was a hybrid only because mCd panicked and let injuries take him out of his gameplanning. Once mCd stopped being desperate and moved back to what they practiced in TC I don't remember seeing them use it.
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Some people in the national media are sticking to this ridiculous notion Tebow can't play, despite evidence to the contrary last year. It's very tiresome. Get a damned CBA in place and trade Orton for a second.

I can't wait to see the media backtrack next year.
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Some people in the national media are sticking to this ridiculous notion Tebow can't play, despite evidence to the contrary last year. It's very tiresome. Get a damned CBA in place and trade Orton for a second.

I can't wait to see the media backtrack next year.
They'll make up excuses then too.
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