Pirates execute Americans!!!

[cutthemdown]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy

NAIROBI, Kenya – Four Americans taken hostage by Somali pirates off East Africa were shot and killed by their captors Tuesday, the U.S. military said, marking the first time U.S. citizens have been killed in a wave of pirate attacks plaguing the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean for years.
U.S. naval forces who were trailing the Americans' captured yacht with four warships quickly boarded the vessel after hearing the gunfire. They tried to provide lifesaving care to the Americans, but they died of their wounds, U.S. Central Command in Tampa, Florida said in a statement.
A member of a U.S. special operations force killed one of the pirates with a knife as he went inside of the yacht, said Vice Adm. Mark Fox, commander of U.S. naval forces for the Central Command.
Fox said in a televised briefing that the violence on Tuesday started when a rocket-propelled grenade was fired from the yacht at the USS Sterett, a guided-missile destroyer which was 600 yards away. The RPG missed and almost immediately afterward small arms fire was heard coming from the yacht, Fox said.



My first thought was botched rescue attempt, but I will give military benefit of the doubt for now they are being truthful.

It's on now. If Obama doesn't tell military to just start blowing pirates out of the water, no arresting, leave them to die in ocean, then he's a p***Y. Time to squash these pirates. Any ship/boat goes past 3 miles out from Somalia you blow it up period. Country has nothing to export anyone needs, no reason to let them even leave land.

[cutthemdown]

So is this just pirates freaking out, or did Obama order a rescue and it didn't work? What do you guys think? Strange pirates would kill unless they thought USA trying to do a rescue attempt.

[Rohirrim]

The guy sailing this boat made some stupid mistakes. First, he was with an entire group of boats who were scheduled to make the trip to Suez together. He decided to split off and go early. Alone. Second, most sailors who traverse that area have their boats picked up and shipped over to the Suez, and they continue the trip from there. This guy had options he chose not to exercise. Besides, like one navy captain was saying yesterday, many of these boats on these waters are legitimate fisherman. You really can't tell the pirates from the fishermen until they try to seize a boat, and what usually separates a pirate from a fisherman is opportunity. This yachtee made himself a big, fat target by doing something stupid. He disregarded the navy's advice and then forced them into a position to try and save his ass. Certainly not their fault. They did the best they could to make up for his stupidity.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The guy sailing this boat made some stupid mistakes. First, he was with an entire group of boats who were scheduled to make the trip to Suez together. He decided to split off and go early. Alone. Second, most sailors who traverse that area have their boats picked up and shipped over to the Suez, and they continue the trip from there. This guy had options he chose not to exercise. Besides, like one navy captain was saying yesterday, many of these boats on these waters are legitimate fisherman. You really can't tell the pirates from the fishermen until they try to seize a boat, and what usually separates a pirate from a fisherman is opportunity. This yachtee made himself a big, fat target by doing something stupid. He disregarded the navy's advice and then forced them into a position to try and save his ass. Certainly not their fault. They did the best they could to make up for his stupidity.

Rho we know where they hang out on land. All the pirates frequent the same bars to drink and screw whores. Since in reality you are right we can't destroy every boat as some are fisherman. I am just upset. We could though get more strong armed with them don't you think? We could blow up there land hideouts. Everyone in Somalia knows who the pirates are.

How about at least some sort of reaction to at least appease the people like me who want to see action? Can you at least go along with that?

[cutthemdown]

Man if i was sailing I would be loaded to the teeth with weapons.

[Garcia Bronco]

A deed that would not go unpunished in my administration.

[NUB]

Wow.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Rho we know where they hang out on land. All the pirates frequent the same bars to drink and screw whores. Since in reality you are right we can't destroy every boat as some are fisherman. I am just upset. We could though get more strong armed with them don't you think? We could blow up there land hideouts. Everyone in Somalia knows who the pirates are.

How about at least some sort of reaction to at least appease the people like me who want to see action? Can you at least go along with that?

I guarantee you the navy is issuing daily reports and advisories for sailors in the area. You just pick up your radio and get the latest. I'm also sure we are doing everything we can, along with our allies in the region, to shut this crap down, including occasionally taking these scumbags out, like last year when we rescued that American ship's crew. France has also taken some of them out in attacks a few months ago. The smartest thing to do is make sure you work with the navy and don't let yourself become a target.

I watched a PBS report on these pirates. Many of them are literally fisherman right up until an opportunity presents itself and they decide to become pirates. It's not like they hang around in pirate strongholds together. Most of them are just leftover fighters from years of Somalia wars who will pretty much take up any opportunity to survive that comes up. To really fix the problem, we'd have to fix Somalia.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I guarantee you the navy is issuing daily reports and advisories for sailors in the area. You just pick up your radio and get the latest. I'm also sure we are doing everything we can, along with our allies in the region, to shut this crap down, including occasionally taking these scumbags out, like last year when we rescued that American ship's crew. France has also taken some of them out in attacks a few months ago. The smartest thing to do is make sure you work with the navy and don't let yourself become a target.

I watched a PBS report on these pirates. Many of them are literally fisherman right up until an opportunity presents itself and they decide to become pirates. It's not like they hang around in pirate strongholds together. Most of them are just leftover fighters from years of Somalia wars who will pretty much take up any opportunity to survive that comes up. To really fix the problem, we'd have to fix Somalia.

There is only way to deal with this and Jefferson figured it out over 200 years ago.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I guarantee you the navy is issuing daily reports and advisories for sailors in the area. You just pick up your radio and get the latest. I'm also sure we are doing everything we can, along with our allies in the region, to shut this crap down, including occasionally taking these scumbags out, like last year when we rescued that American ship's crew. France has also taken some of them out in attacks a few months ago. The smartest thing to do is make sure you work with the navy and don't let yourself become a target.

I watched a PBS report on these pirates. Many of them are literally fisherman right up until an opportunity presents itself and they decide to become pirates. It's not like they hang around in pirate strongholds together. Most of them are just leftover fighters from years of Somalia wars who will pretty much take up any opportunity to survive that comes up. To really fix the problem, we'd have to fix Somalia.

So they are out fishing but have room for weapons and rocket propelled grenades? Cmon.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

So they are out fishing but have room for weapons and rocket propelled grenades? Cmon.

You ever see how big that area of ocean is? What are you going to do, have patrol boats running all over the sea inspecting every fishing boat that goes by?

[underrated29]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

There is only way to deal with this and Jefferson figured it out over 200 years ago.

I know of which you speak.

[MplsBronco]

I don't know why people get so upset when other people get caught up in a mess of their own doing. What the hell were these people doing sailing off the east coast of Africa, alone? Hell, I live in Minneapolis, don't sail, but even I know that is as dangerous an area as they come. Now you get the likes of Cutthemdown wanting the US to patrol yet another area of the world.

The same goes for the yahoos being held in Iran. What the hell are you doing hiking along the border of Iraq/Iran in this day and age? Deal with the consequences of your own actions.

The world is a brutal and harsh place. It aint Mayberry out there. People need to buy a clue.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

You ever see how big that area of ocean is? What are you going to do, have patrol boats running all over the sea inspecting every fishing boat that goes by?

I'm thinking just a blockade that sinks any boat that tries to come further then say 50 miles from shore.

[cutthemdown]

There are important shipping lanes that are in need of protecting in eastern africa. It has nothing to do really with these boaters. They seize tankers though and no one is suggesting they don't use the canal are you?

This is an area we should have our navy get a hold of IMO. MPLS only seeing some people on a 3 hour cruise shows how shortsighted he is. This is about commerce and trade through the Suez canal and ships not having to sail miles further out to sea, burning fuel, just because some terrorists want to play pirate.

One idiot said we need to fix Somalia? what a liberal crock of **** that is. They have nothing we need to warrant fixing them. Besides they are beyond fixing. Better to just deny them access to the sea.

[ghwk]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

I'm thinking just a blockade that sinks any boat that tries to come further then say 50 miles from shore.

Yeah, that's not gonna cost much.

[baja]

Kill everybody except me and 40 virgins and we will start over.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by ghwk

Yeah, that's not gonna cost much.

Just do it with ships already there, just let them shoot more. It costs more in the disruption to shipping. The canal must be open and free for shipping. If it was only Yachts I would agree with you.

[baja]

40% of the worlds wealth is in 1 % of the people's hands - change that and a lot of these "problems" will go away.

[chadta]

Originally Posted by baja

Kill everybody except me and 40 virgins and we will start over.

[sarcasm font]what good would 40 19 year old boys do ?[/sarcasm font]

[baja]

Originally Posted by chadta

[sarcasm font]what good would 40 19 year old boys do ?[/sarcasm font]

I could trade um for Miss I.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by baja

40% of the worlds wealth is in 1 % of the people's hands - change that and a lot of these "problems" will go away.

Yeah but we are in the 1%. Screw that. Your idea of a utopia where we all share equally is wizard of oz like in its fantasy. We hold on to the empire as long as we can just like the Romans did. That's how its done. By the time we let the world catch up and be even, and we say ok its even now, they will roll over us until we have nothing.

Better to just fight for what is ours....and that is everything.

[Odysseus]

Instead of sending the military to troll the waters why not pay Blackwater? They love to kill stuff? We don't have any black ops money for that?

Somali pirates side of the story
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/wo...01pirates.html

There are two sides to every story
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_in_Somalia

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Odysseus

Instead of sending the military to troll the waters why not pay Blackwater? They love to kill stuff? We don't have any black ops money for that?

Somali pirates side of the story
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/wo...01pirates.html

There are two sides to every story
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_in_Somalia

Territorial waters, or a territorial sea, as defined by the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea[1], is a belt of coastal waters extending at most 12 nautical miles (22 km; 14 mi) from the baseline (usually the mean low-water mark) of a coastal state. The territorial sea is regarded as the sovereign territory of the state, although foreign ships (both military and civilian) are allowed innocent passage through it; this sovereignty also extends to the airspace over and seabed below. (Wiki)

These guys are going waaaaay out past 12 miles. The yacht they grabbed was more than four hundred miles off the coast. I call

[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Territorial waters, or a territorial sea, as defined by the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea[1], is a belt of coastal waters extending at most 12 nautical miles (22 km; 14 mi) from the baseline (usually the mean low-water mark) of a coastal state. The territorial sea is regarded as the sovereign territory of the state, although foreign ships (both military and civilian) are allowed innocent passage through it; this sovereignty also extends to the airspace over and seabed below. (Wiki)

These guys are going waaaaay out past 12 miles. The yacht they grabbed was more than four hundred miles off the coast. I call

You mean Somalia is more than 12 miles off American shores?

You mean that we are not allowed to re-write the rules in order to meet our own ends?

You mean this would be the first time ever we've used non military force to create military presence?