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Old 02-11-2011, 02:28 PM   #1
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NFL Network's Mike Mayock is widely considered the top draft analyst in the business, so we tend to take his opinions seriously. We often do Mayock-related blurbs on the Rotoworld news page.

Mayock released his initial top-fives by position on January 25. He updated them today. Here they are:

Quarterbacks
1. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2. Jake Locker, Washington
3. Cam Newton, Auburn
4. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas
5. Andy Dalton, TCU

Comments: Mayock says he's not done with his quarterback evaluation, but he's made some changes since January. He's now got Dalton alone in the five spot after the Horned Frogs' four-year starter previously shared the position with Ricky Stanzi, Colin Kaepernick, and Pat Devlin. Devlin's stock appears to have plummeted since a poor showing at the East-West Shrine Game. Senior Bowl MVP Christian Ponder remains absent from the list.

Running Backs
1. Mark Ingram, Alabama
2. Mikel Leshoure, Illinois
3. Daniel Thomas, Kansas State
4. Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech
5. Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State

Comments: Mayock relentlessly talked up Kendall Hunter at the Senior Bowl, so it's surprising that the former Oklahoma State Cowboy is no longer even in a tie for the five spot. The biggest notable here, particularly from a fantasy perspective, is Leshoure's jump into the two-hole. Mayock said during Senior Bowl week that he wanted to watch more film on Leshoure. After doing so, Mayock has moved the Illinois product into conversation as a top-40 selection. Ingram remains the consensus top draft-eligible running back.

Wide Receivers
1. A.J. Green, Georgia
2. Julio Jones, Alabama
3. Titus Young, Boise State
4. Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh
5. Torrey Smith, Maryland

Comments: Smith is the newcomer to the receiver top five, overtaking the old cast of Jerrel Jernigan, Randall Cobb, and Greg Little. Mayock's biggest switch was moving Young past Baldwin into the No. 3 position. Chris Wesseling, dominating the Rotoworld news page Thursday, did a post about Young's rise. Baldwin is a physical freak at 6'5/230 with alleged sub-4.4 speed, but there are concerns about his on-field concentration and off-field decision making.

Tight Ends
1. Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame
2. Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin
3. Luke Stocker, Tennessee
4. D.J. Williams, Arkansas
5. Virgil Green, Nevada

Comments: It's pretty much status quo here, as Mayock's evaluation of Kendricks through Williams did not change after seeing all three of those players on the Senior Bowl practice field. Stocker has drawn comparisons to Jason Witten and Oakland's Zach Miller as a complete tight end. The only change is the dropping out of Tulsa's Charles Clay in favor of Green.

Interior Offensive Line
1. Mike Pouncey, Florida
2. Danny Watkins, Baylor
3. Clint Boling, Georgia
4. John Moffitt, Wisconsin
5. Rodney Hudson, Florida State

Comments: The old list: 1) Pouncey, 2) Stefen Wisniewski, 3) Watkins, 4) Moffitt, 5) Hudson/Will Rackley. Pouncey is still the likeliest guard/center to be drafted in the first round, and Watkins is emerging as the clear-cut second best interior line prospect despite his age (27 next November). The Football Outsiders just kill it in this breakdown of Watkins and Rodney Hudson. Boling is the newcomer, essentially replacing Wisniewski, who's fallen off the list altogether.

Offensive Tackles
1. Anthony Castonzo, Boston College
2. Nate Solder, Colorado
3. Tyron Smith, USC
4. Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
5 (tie). Ben Ijalana, Villanova; Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State

Comments: Mayock has bumped Castonzo into first place ahead of Solder. (Mayock and Castonzo share an alma mater, although we'll assume that's not the reason for the switch.) Castonzo was a four-year starter at B.C. and the Eagles' first offensive lineman in over a decade to start on the offensive line as a true freshman. Smith overtakes Carimi as the more athletic tackle prospect; Carimi is probably ticketed for right tackle in the NFL. Ijalana missed the Senior Bowl due to "double hernia" surgery, but teams must be confident in his health. Wes Bunting of the National Football Post loves Ijalana, FWIW.

Defensive Ends
1. Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson
2. J.J. Watt, Wisconsin
3. Adrian Clayborn, Iowa
4. Cameron Jordan, California
5. Robert Quinn, North Carolina

Comments: Watt leaped from No. 5 (tie) among defensive ends into the two-hole after Mayock watched film of Wisconsin's Rose Bowl loss to TCU. Watt did not put up big statistics in that game, so it's a good sign that Mayock was impressed even without the pass rusher racking up sacks and tackles for loss. It's also a good sign for Clayborn that he's still considered a top-three defensive end in this year's draft. He only had 3.5 sacks in 2010. Most observers are holding off on Quinn until he performs at the Combine.

Defensive Tackle
1. Marcell Dareus, Alabama
2. Nick Fairley, Auburn
3. Corey Liuget, Illinois
4. Stephen Paea, Oregon State
5. Jurrell Casey, USC

Comments: In terms of the top of the draft, the most intriguing development is Dareus passing Fairley as the top defensive tackle prospect. Fairley is considered the likely No. 1 pick in many circles. Critics can point to Mayock's ranking of Gerald McCoy over Ndamukong Suh ahead of last year's draft as reason to disagree. Liuget is really picking up steam, as noted in this item on Wednesday's news page.

Outside Linebacker
1. Von Miller, Texas A&M
2. Akeem Ayers, UCLA
3. Justin Houston, Georgia
4. Bruce Carter, North Carolina
5. Chris Carter, Fresno State

Comments: Carter was the 2010 WAC Defensive Player of the Year, but is a 'tweener. He'll appeal to 3-4 teams as an outside rush linebacker. Ayers' best comparison is Karlos Dansby. Houston is sensationally explosive off the edge, though CBS' Rob Rang has questioned his ability to play outside of a 4-3 scheme, calling Houston "one of the more overrated prospects in the draft to this point."

Inside Linebackers
1. Martez Wilson, Illinois
2. Colin McCarthy, Miami (FL)
3. Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina
4. Casey Matthews, Oregon
5. Kelvin Sheppard, LSU

Comments: Hopefully, your team doesn't need an inside linebacker. Because behind Wilson this is a thoroughly unimpressive group.

Cornerbacks
1. Patrick Peterson, LSU
2. Prince Amukamara, Nebraska
3. Aaron Williams, Texas
4. Jimmy Smith, Colorado
5. Brandon Harris, Miami (FL)

Comments: Ranked third in Mayock's previous rankings, Harris is slipping after getting torched by Notre Dame wide receiver Michael Floyd in the Sun Bowl. It's probably deserved, especially considering Floyd only got a third-round grade from the NFL Draft Advisory Committee. Smith, as expected, is rising. Latest word from SI's Tony Pauline has Smith looking "sensational" in pre-Combine workouts.

Safeties
1. Rahim Moore, UCLA
2. Ahmad Black, Florida
3. Marcus Gilchrist, Clemson
4. Quinton Carter, Oklahoma
5. Deunta Williams, North Carolina

Comments: Williams, previously third in Mayock's safety ranks, was recently spotted walking around Chapel Hill with a boot on the foot he fractured in the Tar Heels' bowl game. He seems unlikely to participate in the Combine. Robert Sands and Will Hill have vanished from the list, replaced by Gilchrist and Carter.
NFL Network's Mike Mayock is widely considered the top draft analyst in the business, so we tend to take his opinions seriously. We often do Mayock-related blurbs on the Rotoworld news page.

Mayock released his initial top-fives by position on January 25. He updated them today. Here they are:

Quarterbacks
1. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2. Jake Locker, Washington
3. Cam Newton, Auburn
4. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas
5. Andy Dalton, TCU

Comments: Mayock says he's not done with his quarterback evaluation, but he's made some changes since January. He's now got Dalton alone in the five spot after the Horned Frogs' four-year starter previously shared the position with Ricky Stanzi, Colin Kaepernick, and Pat Devlin. Devlin's stock appears to have plummeted since a poor showing at the East-West Shrine Game. Senior Bowl MVP Christian Ponder remains absent from the list.

Running Backs
1. Mark Ingram, Alabama
2. Mikel Leshoure, Illinois
3. Daniel Thomas, Kansas State
4. Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech
5. Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State

Comments: Mayock relentlessly talked up Kendall Hunter at the Senior Bowl, so it's surprising that the former Oklahoma State Cowboy is no longer even in a tie for the five spot. The biggest notable here, particularly from a fantasy perspective, is Leshoure's jump into the two-hole. Mayock said during Senior Bowl week that he wanted to watch more film on Leshoure. After doing so, Mayock has moved the Illinois product into conversation as a top-40 selection. Ingram remains the consensus top draft-eligible running back.

Wide Receivers
1. A.J. Green, Georgia
2. Julio Jones, Alabama
3. Titus Young, Boise State
4. Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh
5. Torrey Smith, Maryland

Comments: Smith is the newcomer to the receiver top five, overtaking the old cast of Jerrel Jernigan, Randall Cobb, and Greg Little. Mayock's biggest switch was moving Young past Baldwin into the No. 3 position. Chris Wesseling, dominating the Rotoworld news page Thursday, did a post about Young's rise. Baldwin is a physical freak at 6'5/230 with alleged sub-4.4 speed, but there are concerns about his on-field concentration and off-field decision making.

Tight Ends
1. Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame
2. Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin
3. Luke Stocker, Tennessee
4. D.J. Williams, Arkansas
5. Virgil Green, Nevada

Comments: It's pretty much status quo here, as Mayock's evaluation of Kendricks through Williams did not change after seeing all three of those players on the Senior Bowl practice field. Stocker has drawn comparisons to Jason Witten and Oakland's Zach Miller as a complete tight end. The only change is the dropping out of Tulsa's Charles Clay in favor of Green.

Interior Offensive Line
1. Mike Pouncey, Florida
2. Danny Watkins, Baylor
3. Clint Boling, Georgia
4. John Moffitt, Wisconsin
5. Rodney Hudson, Florida State

Comments: The old list: 1) Pouncey, 2) Stefen Wisniewski, 3) Watkins, 4) Moffitt, 5) Hudson/Will Rackley. Pouncey is still the likeliest guard/center to be drafted in the first round, and Watkins is emerging as the clear-cut second best interior line prospect despite his age (27 next November). The Football Outsiders just kill it in this breakdown of Watkins and Rodney Hudson. Boling is the newcomer, essentially replacing Wisniewski, who's fallen off the list altogether.

Offensive Tackles
1. Anthony Castonzo, Boston College
2. Nate Solder, Colorado
3. Tyron Smith, USC
4. Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
5 (tie). Ben Ijalana, Villanova; Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State

Comments: Mayock has bumped Castonzo into first place ahead of Solder. (Mayock and Castonzo share an alma mater, although we'll assume that's not the reason for the switch.) Castonzo was a four-year starter at B.C. and the Eagles' first offensive lineman in over a decade to start on the offensive line as a true freshman. Smith overtakes Carimi as the more athletic tackle prospect; Carimi is probably ticketed for right tackle in the NFL. Ijalana missed the Senior Bowl due to "double hernia" surgery, but teams must be confident in his health. Wes Bunting of the National Football Post loves Ijalana, FWIW.

Defensive Ends
1. Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson
2. J.J. Watt, Wisconsin
3. Adrian Clayborn, Iowa
4. Cameron Jordan, California
5. Robert Quinn, North Carolina

Comments: Watt leaped from No. 5 (tie) among defensive ends into the two-hole after Mayock watched film of Wisconsin's Rose Bowl loss to TCU. Watt did not put up big statistics in that game, so it's a good sign that Mayock was impressed even without the pass rusher racking up sacks and tackles for loss. It's also a good sign for Clayborn that he's still considered a top-three defensive end in this year's draft. He only had 3.5 sacks in 2010. Most observers are holding off on Quinn until he performs at the Combine.

Defensive Tackle
1. Marcell Dareus, Alabama
2. Nick Fairley, Auburn
3. Corey Liuget, Illinois
4. Stephen Paea, Oregon State
5. Jurrell Casey, USC

Comments: In terms of the top of the draft, the most intriguing development is Dareus passing Fairley as the top defensive tackle prospect. Fairley is considered the likely No. 1 pick in many circles. Critics can point to Mayock's ranking of Gerald McCoy over Ndamukong Suh ahead of last year's draft as reason to disagree. Liuget is really picking up steam, as noted in this item on Wednesday's news page.

Outside Linebacker
1. Von Miller, Texas A&M
2. Akeem Ayers, UCLA
3. Justin Houston, Georgia
4. Bruce Carter, North Carolina
5. Chris Carter, Fresno State

Comments: Carter was the 2010 WAC Defensive Player of the Year, but is a 'tweener. He'll appeal to 3-4 teams as an outside rush linebacker. Ayers' best comparison is Karlos Dansby. Houston is sensationally explosive off the edge, though CBS' Rob Rang has questioned his ability to play outside of a 4-3 scheme, calling Houston "one of the more overrated prospects in the draft to this point."

Inside Linebackers
1. Martez Wilson, Illinois
2. Colin McCarthy, Miami (FL)
3. Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina
4. Casey Matthews, Oregon
5. Kelvin Sheppard, LSU

Comments: Hopefully, your team doesn't need an inside linebacker. Because behind Wilson this is a thoroughly unimpressive group.

Cornerbacks
1. Patrick Peterson, LSU
2. Prince Amukamara, Nebraska
3. Aaron Williams, Texas
4. Jimmy Smith, Colorado
5. Brandon Harris, Miami (FL)

Comments: Ranked third in Mayock's previous rankings, Harris is slipping after getting torched by Notre Dame wide receiver Michael Floyd in the Sun Bowl. It's probably deserved, especially considering Floyd only got a third-round grade from the NFL Draft Advisory Committee. Smith, as expected, is rising. Latest word from SI's Tony Pauline has Smith looking "sensational" in pre-Combine workouts.

Safeties
1. Rahim Moore, UCLA
2. Ahmad Black, Florida
3. Marcus Gilchrist, Clemson
4. Quinton Carter, Oklahoma
5. Deunta Williams, North Carolina

Comments: Williams, previously third in Mayock's safety ranks, was recently spotted walking around Chapel Hill with a boot on the foot he fractured in the Tar Heels' bowl game. He seems unlikely to participate in the Combine. Robert Sands and Will Hill have vanished from the list, replaced by Gilchrist and Carter.
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Great stuff! I hate seeing Watt, Dareus, and Liuget jumping up this early, as all three are guys I hoped could be picked up a little later than they should be come draft day (Dareus as a candidate if Denver trades down in round 1, Watt as a mid-late 1st in a move up from 36, and Liuget as a DT option at 36). From a pure talent standpoint, I could see Watt in the top-10 and Liuget somewhere from 20-25.
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Wow, surprised to see the MLB from michigan state (greg jones?) not in the top 5.
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Wow, surprised to see the MLB from michigan state (greg jones?) not in the top 5.
It would be great if he was there at our second 2nd pick
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Wow, surprised to see the MLB from michigan state (greg jones?) not in the top 5.
He looks like his best position will be at weakside linebacker therefore he doesn't intrigue me much as a future Bronco we need a Mike and Sam. Unfortunately this draft is a little weak at those positions. We'll be better off addressing linebacker next year when studs like Vontaze Burfict & Manti Teo will likely be coming out. I also really hope we can get Ray Ray Armstrong as our SS of the future in next year's draft.
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Wow, surprised to see the MLB from michigan state (greg jones?) not in the top 5.
You should not be, he was vastly overrated after this year. Not sure why anyone would think he is top player. I have to agree though that none of these guys are a lock to be starters either. All have some serious flaws in their games.
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Sturdivant was lower than I would have thought.
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Total homer call, but I would love to have Jaquizz Rogers as a late round pick-up. He is very reliable and would add some depth to RB and special teams.
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It is interesting to note Mayock and Nolan Nawrocki of PFW BOTH rate Dareus ahead of Fairley. They are 2 of the best independent guys out there.

Also, several interesting notes with the DE's. JJ Watt and Clayborn are #2 and #3. Clayborn may just be the most underrated defender in the draft right now, just because his stats were so down from 2009. Most people fail to notice that Iowa changed their entire scheme on defense to protect their young LB's and made the DL play read & react versus straight gap control. Clayborn did what he was asked to do and very well, unfortunately it killed his numbers and his defense down the stretch of games when they needed a pass rush. Iowa lost 4 games down the stretch with a lead, and they could not stop the other teams 2 minute offense as Clayborn and Ballard not as fast as they could have been in pass rush this year.

JJ Watt is a stud as well, but is he as versatile as Cameron Jordan? I am not so sure. All I know is he will be a better player in the NFL than he was @ WIS and that's saying something because he was very dominant for them.

This is the deepest top level talent DL class I Have Seen since 2003. Great year to go get a DL, the rest of the draft is pretty mediocre at the other positions at best.
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Hell of a deep draft at DL, Mediator. Which is why we can take Peterson at #2 and hope for the best at the end of the second.

Just kidding. I bet 10 DL go in round one this year.
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You can think of it this way...if the Broncos neglect to choose Dareus or Fairley in round one, someone else will. If other teams in the league take advantage of the DL talent in this draft and the Broncos do not, the Broncos will be a little further behind the curve.
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I hope Rahim Moore is there in the 3rd.
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It is interesting to note Mayock and Nolan Nawrocki of PFW BOTH rate Dareus ahead of Fairley. They are 2 of the best independent guys out there.

Also, several interesting notes with the DE's. JJ Watt and Clayborn are #2 and #3. Clayborn may just be the most underrated defender in the draft right now, just because his stats were so down from 2009. Most people fail to notice that Iowa changed their entire scheme on defense to protect their young LB's and made the DL play read & react versus straight gap control. Clayborn did what he was asked to do and very well, unfortunately it killed his numbers and his defense down the stretch of games when they needed a pass rush. Iowa lost 4 games down the stretch with a lead, and they could not stop the other teams 2 minute offense as Clayborn and Ballard not as fast as they could have been in pass rush this year.

JJ Watt is a stud as well, but is he as versatile as Cameron Jordan? I am not so sure. All I know is he will be a better player in the NFL than he was @ WIS and that's saying something because he was very dominant for them.

This is the deepest top level talent DL class I Have Seen since 2003. Great year to go get a DL, the rest of the draft is pretty mediocre at the other positions at best.
Keep in mind Mayock has always been a bit of a contrarian for the sake of being one.
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I hope Rahim Moore is there in the 3rd.
In the 3rd? He's probably the top Saftey in the draft (I agree with Mayock's rating). He'll probably go early 2nd or possibly even late 1st.
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Keep in mind Mayock has always been a bit of a contrarian for the sake of being one.
NAh, he actually watches tape unlike 90% of the guys on the net who make overall grade lists. He knows what he likes and he always sticks to what he sees. Now, saying that, he definitely missed the McCoy versus Suh deal last year
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NAh, he actually watches tape unlike 90% of the guys on the net who make overall grade lists. He knows what he likes and he always sticks to what he sees. Now, saying that, he definitely missed the McCoy versus Suh deal last year
He also said that Ayers was his favourite defender coming out of his draft year.
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NAh, he actually watches tape unlike 90% of the guys on the net who make overall grade lists. He knows what he likes and he always sticks to what he sees. Now, saying that, he definitely missed the McCoy versus Suh deal last year
I don't doubt his expertise, but he most certainly loves being the guy to go against the grain. And, of course, this is the sort of thing that effects scouting. Its hardly all statistical analysis based on facts.
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Hell of a deep draft at DL, Mediator. Which is why we can take Peterson at #2 and hope for the best at the end of the second.

Just kidding. I bet 10 DL go in round one this year.
I think 7 right now, and that's counting rush OLBs
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NAh, he actually watches tape unlike 90% of the guys on the net who make overall grade lists. He knows what he likes and he always sticks to what he sees. Now, saying that, he definitely missed the McCoy versus Suh deal last year
Ugh so did I. I became enamored with McCoy's frame and how I think he can add another 20-30 lbs without losing any explosion.

Suh bent me over pretty good with the best rookie DT performance that I can remember.
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Ugh so did I. I became enamored with McCoy's frame and how I think he can add another 20-30 lbs without losing any explosion.

Suh bent me over pretty good with the best rookie DT performance that I can remember.
Dont give up on McCoy yet. He has a good head on his shoulders and some good coaching. It took him season to get up to speed at OU.
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Dont give up on McCoy yet. He has a good head on his shoulders and some good coaching. It took him season to get up to speed at OU.
I haven't... I just saw Suh play like the best DT in the NFL in his rookie year is all.
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Suh was amazing last year. I thought McCoy would struggle in TB early and come on strong late, just because that is the type of player he is. He relies on his first step explosion and his hands to beat interior OL and the level of player he was playing against was much better than what he saw in college. I did not prefer either guy in the right system over time, but Suh has all kinds of game and still has upside,
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Anybody who watched enough of Suh that last year in college shouldn't have been surprised by what he did his rookie year, considering the rest of the talent on Detroit's DL. I've never seen a more dominant defensive lineman at any level. He individually won games for that team, and I think he got robbed of the Heisman.
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Anybody who watched enough of Suh that last year in college shouldn't have been surprised by what he did his rookie year, considering the rest of the talent on Detroit's DL. I've never seen a more dominant defensive lineman at any level. He individually won games for that team, and I think he got robbed of the Heisman.
Did you see Reggie White?

That dude was unbelievable. Dominant.
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:39 AM   #25
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Yeah, I caught the last half of his career and he was indeed unbelievable. Suh blew my mind last year, though.
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